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Third alternative, trade Fields and pick up Penix in Rd 2. Poor mans Burrow/Chase combo of Penix/Odunze in Chicago doesn't suck. Maybe we stay in the top 5 to get MHJr too- hell I would consider him #1 overall but it is stupid not to let QB starved folks run the first couple picks up.

Or keep Fields and put Penix in reserve if he drops to you (or some other later round flier). If neither pans out you are drafting QB or at least a more desirable FA spot with a stacked offense. I'm sure Rypien can be cut.
I can't see a scenario where they draft someone this year in the first three rounds and keep Fields. They're going to have to unload him.

Washington doesn't have to give up a king's ransom to move up one spot. If they're going to get a major trade package for that first pick, it's probably going to come from someone that is not a usual suspect. Chances are their fanbase will be pumped about getting Caleb Williams.

I am prepared for the Bears to draft Caleb Williams, and if the fanbase isn't excited about that, file it under the "it is what it is" folder. I think just about any other franchise looking for a QB would be pretty excited about this. Bears fans are widely not excited and it is mostly due to historical failure despite the fact that the Ryan Poles front office is still early in their tenure and the history doesn't have anything to do with them. It is also due to Williams "seeming" to be things like a bad teammate, guaranteed bust, etc. He "seems" to be certain things to people who ultimately won't be making the final decision.

It's all very weird to me. The vibe is very "this team is owned by Jerry Reinsdorf".
 

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I can't see a scenario where they draft someone this year in the first three rounds and keep Fields. They're going to have to unload him.

Washington doesn't have to give up a king's ransom to move up one spot. If they're going to get a major trade package for that first pick, it's probably going to come from someone that is not a usual suspect. Chances are their fanbase will be pumped about getting Caleb Williams.

I am prepared for the Bears to draft Caleb Williams, and if the fanbase isn't excited about that, file it under the "it is what it is" folder. I think just about any other franchise looking for a QB would be pretty excited about this. Bears fans are widely not excited and it is mostly due to historical failure despite the fact that the Ryan Poles front office is still early in their tenure and the history doesn't have anything to do with them. It is also due to Williams "seeming" to be things like a bad teammate, guaranteed bust, etc. He "seems" to be certain things to people who ultimately won't be making the final decision.

It's all very weird to me. The vibe is very "this team is owned by Jerry Reinsdorf".

If they are "stuck" with Fields - which I take to mean not getting much trade value - why not draft a backup? Packers moved on from Favre and then Rodgers b/c they looked ahead and wanted a few years with the rookie before giving them the keys. You would think every elite QB in the league was the #1 overall pick and any QB picked outside the first 3 picks was garbage. CW could also be mediocre but not great - is that worth passing up a likely perennial pro bowler in MHJr who will make any QB look better? Or an elite OL to keep any QB in one piece.
 

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If they are "stuck" with Fields - which I take to mean not getting much trade value - why not draft a backup? Packers moved on from Favre and then Rodgers b/c they looked ahead and wanted a few years with the rookie before giving them the keys. You would think every elite QB in the league was the #1 overall pick and any QB picked outside the first 3 picks was garbage. CW could also be mediocre but not great - is that worth passing up a likely perennial pro bowler in MHJr who will make any QB look better? Or an elite OL to keep any QB in one piece.
Or just draft the QB guy at number one you think will be a superstar.
 

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I agree if they really like CW just draft him but I would keep Fields too. Let the best man win. Tell them to man up if they don’t like it.
 

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Bears signed veteran center Coleman Shelton, spent the last 5 years with the Rams. Only 1 year but he's just 28 years old so he's not decrepit at least. I'll take it! Let him and Bates compete for the starting job and now you've got a competent interior backup.
 

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The dislike of Caleb Williams for perceived, if not totally imagined, non football reasons is really the strangest.

"He's going to be a bust because he hugged his mom once and his dad says things." I mean, he did hug his mom and his dad has a touch of LaVar Ball if he's being quoted accurately, but so what?


Getsy got an OC job again, albeit with the Raiders, who are just fucking weird.

Darnell Mooney just got $39M from the Falcons.

I stood on the Justin Fields plank about as long as anyone. I jumped into the sea. He's not it, and it appears that more important and football intelligent people are agreeing to this point. The Bears are either stuck with him or they're not getting anything remotely valuable in return. MIke Tomlin said "Gimme Russ Wilson for a year". The Falcons want Kirk Cousins and his JC Penney wardrobe.

I'm at the Justin Fields acceptance stage at this point.
None of us imagined him referring to fans as sheep, refusing to talk to the press and shake another teams hand after a loss. Those were all real things that he did. He didn't merely hug his mother. He ran into the stands to cry in her bosom b/c his team played like shit. When he was asked about it after the game he said he wanted to go home to cuddle with his doggie.

Does this strike you as normal behavior? Strikes me as bizarre and certainly not the conduct you'd expect or want from someone you're investing millions in to lead a team of athletes in a billion-dollar franchise. But maybe I'm wrong and he's a fantastic leader. I can imagine a scenario where the linemen rally behind him, applauding his display of vulnerability - look at our qb boys, hugging his mommy with painted finger nails and having a healthy cry after a tough loss. How brave, let's block hard for him next week.
 

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Carolina didn't allow Wonnum to even visit the Bears. 2 years 12.5MM for the former Vikings pass rusher.

DE2 is still a need and Poles will have his work cut out for him with the thinning FA market.
 

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Carolina didn't allow Wonnum to even visit the Bears. 2 years 12.5MM for the former Vikings pass rusher.

DE2 is still a need and Poles will have his work cut out for him with the thinning FA market.
I think the Bears are trading the first pick for a haul they have to be.
 

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It would make my day and I would not be overly shocked if Caleb Williams is the next Bo Callahan.IMG_1221.jpeg
 

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Trade the 1 and 9 for Herbert and their pick. Harbaugh isn’t going to throw the ball.
 

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None of us imagined him referring to fans as sheep, refusing to talk to the press and shake another teams hand after a loss. Those were all real things that he did. He didn't merely hug his mother. He ran into the stands to cry in her bosom b/c his team played like shit. When he was asked about it after the game he said he wanted to go home to cuddle with his doggie.

Does this strike you as normal behavior? Strikes me as bizarre and certainly not the conduct you'd expect or want from someone you're investing millions in to lead a team of athletes in a billion-dollar franchise. But maybe I'm wrong and he's a fantastic leader. I can imagine a scenario where the linemen rally behind him, applauding his display of vulnerability - look at our qb boys, hugging his mommy with painted finger nails and having a healthy cry after a tough loss. How brave, let's block hard for him next week.
If the OL was bad, fine. If the OL didn't block for him, I'm supposing their own draft prospects would need to be questioned as well should they have NFL ambition? At least you're presenting your case differently than "he seems like he's something I don't like, so he's going to be bad because me no likey."

Wendy’s, Beats, Dr. Pepper, United Airlines, PlayStation, Alo, Neutrogena and others have hedged their bets on him. Ryan Poles seems to be doing it as well, hiring offensive coaches who quite honestly I am stunned would come to the lowly Bears unless they thought they were going to be able to parlay it into head coach and coordinator jobs. It would appear that these professionals are stacking their coaching staff and roster to roll the dice on this particular player.

He's 21 and has acted like a regular 21 year old, which he is not afforded to do. It's up to Ryan Poles to determine if he thinks this guy is going to be like this when he's 25 or not. He's done immature things for someone in the public eye who was a millionaire before he was able to legally purchase alcohol. Bears fans are acting like this number one pick is a giant box of herpes. I find that bizarre. The talent is there. Mentally, this is not a 32 year old Pro Bowler, and few coming out of college other than Peyton Manning generally have been. Andrew Luck had his shit together too, I guess. Jay Cutler was an adult asshole. There's the bar maybe?

The sheep quote has been used by world leaders past and present. He said this because some ND fan who rushed the field talked shit to him. He shouldn't have even addressed it. No animals or children were harmed. Can't say the same for the animals depending on the nail polish he uses.

Skipped media after the UCLA game. I don't recall him skipping media after any other games. Showed up at Combine and first question was from a very nice reporter asking him if he's "afraid to compete." Combine media did enough for him for people to draw their own conclusions. He'll interview with the handful of teams in position to draft him and they can make their own decision.

Not shaking hands after losing to Utah is on him. I believe this was the only time he did this, much like skipping media after UCLA, but as a Heisman Trophy winner and likely number one pick he's obviously got to do better here. Do the song and dance after the game. Nobody cares if you do, but when you don't, people notice.

To this point no drugs, no guns, no homicides, no pregnant strippers. Just a high profile athlete that didn't make the most appropriate decisions after losses during a frustrating season. All of it can be corrected, and some people believe this is who he is going to be forever, while others are going to risk that by 25 years of age he's something different than what he is now. That's life, and that's what being a GM is about. I agree there is an element of risk involved, but at this point the Bears have not been in the position of having the number one pick, haven't won a Super Bowl in nearly 40 years and still probably have to claim Sid Fucking Luckman as their best QB. I think Poles should draft him, and I think he will.

Recruits, parents and high school coaches may want to take note at the Lincoln Riley ship is another takeaway I'm getting from 2023. That's another topic.
 

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Of course the Keenan Allen news breaks in the middle of the Marquette Villanova grudge match

DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Cole Kmet, Deandre Swift, AND a competent offensive staff... Have at it CW! Can't imagine a better situation for a rookie to walk into.
 

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I understand why the Bears want Keenan Allen on the team. I'm a little surprised they would spend a 4th round draft pick on a guy whose value is so limited to the short term.
 

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I understand why the Bears want Keenan Allen on the team. I'm a little surprised they would spend a 4th round draft pick on a guy whose value is so limited to the short term.
I saw a stat a few months back that only 1/6 of 3rd round picks are "hits" for teams (get a second contract). Gotta think that 4th rounders are probably lower than that statistically and if that's the case Keenan Allen is likely to make a significantly bigger impact for a rookie QB who needed a second reliable target at WR than whoever they could get in the 4th round. Some Bears guys think an extension for Keenan might be in play, I guess we'll wait to see.
 

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Keenan Allen Vs NFC North(2023):

Green Bay: 10 catches, 106 yards,TD
Detroit: 11 catches, 175 yards, 2TD
Minnesota: 18 catches, 215 yards

(Bears: 8 catches, 69 yards)
 

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Of course the Keenan Allen news breaks in the middle of the Marquette Villanova grudge match

DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Cole Kmet, Deandre Swift, AND a competent offensive staff... Have at it CW! Can't imagine a better situation for a rookie to walk into.
Or trade back and add Harrison...
 

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Keenan Allen Vs NFC North(2023):

Green Bay: 10 catches, 106 yards,TD
Detroit: 11 catches, 175 yards, 2TD
Minnesota: 18 catches, 215 yards

(Bears: 8 catches, 69 yards)

For real!! Trade back and do it again. So much more value trading the pick and getting a haul than taking an enormous risk on CW. I tried to warn them about Mitch. I said the same thing then. Some have it, some don't. I think Daniels will end up being the best QB out of this class.
 

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For real!! Trade back and do it again. So much more value trading the pick and getting a haul than taking an enormous risk on CW. I tried to warn them about Mitch. I said the same thing then. Some have it, some don't. I think Daniels will end up being the best QB out of this class.
Ryan Pace actually traded UP to draft Trubisky. He also traded up to draft Fields. He's gone now.

How you tried warning him not to draft Trubisky is surely a good story.

Looking at the moves he's made to this point, I'm going to let Ryan Poles determine his QB and see where it all shakes out come July when camp breaks. One thing we can say for certain: This offense is being built for right now, not three years from now. If it is Justin Fields leading it, the excuses are really starting to run short more than ever. Two years ago they started Byron Pringle and Eq. St. Brown at receiver.
 

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For real!! Trade back and do it again. So much more value trading the pick and getting a haul than taking an enormous risk on CW. I tried to warn them about Mitch. I said the same thing then. Some have it, some don't. I think Daniels will end up being the best QB out of this class.
Relating to the bold, I'm assuming you are referring to the mental makeup?

That admittedly is the hardest part about parting ways with JF1. Kid is tough and he hasn't crumbled under the media pressure, but it's not a zero-sum game with Mental Makeup & On Field Performance.

Also the number of Packer fans that have chirped at me about keeping Fields just like how they did with Cutler is making me accept that it's time to move on. Obviously, this is an exact science.
 

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Bears have to support CW as the #1 QB whether they want him or not. It creates value for the pick. I don't understand this fall in love approach - it is exactly what got them hosed trading up for Biscuit when he would have been there for their 2nd round pick. Then again for Fields who at least was a better trade up than Mitchell. In both cases they were bringing a rookie with crappy tools around him set up for failure.

Who is to say they don't evaluate the top half dozen QBs and decide the consensus #3 or #5 is their guy? Why is only one QB worth it? You really telling me there aren't two out of six that can find success with Allen and Moore at WR? Now I'm worried they won't draft an elite WR and we are left holding our junk in a couple years when they both go FA.
 

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Bears have to support CW as the #1 QB whether they want him or not. It creates value for the pick. I don't understand this fall in love approach - it is exactly what got them hosed trading up for Biscuit when he would have been there for their 2nd round pick. Then again for Fields who at least was a better trade up than Mitchell. In both cases they were bringing a rookie with crappy tools around him set up for failure.

Who is to say they don't evaluate the top half dozen QBs and decide the consensus #3 or #5 is their guy? Why is only one QB worth it? You really telling me there aren't two out of six that can find success with Allen and Moore at WR? Now I'm worried they won't draft an elite WR and we are left holding our junk in a couple years when they both go FA.
Exactly! Really wanting them to trade the #1 pick, pass on CW, get Marvin Harrison or Odunze, and if they aren't sold on Justin then pick up one of the other quality QB's in the first round. I feel like they are much better positioned to get a top WR and a really solid QB prospect than the other way around. Looks like both Harrison and Odunze will be gone by pick #9 of that is what they hold onto.
 

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We don't live in a universe where the Bears are trading this year's #1 overall pick, nor do we live in a universe where Caleb Williams isn't going #1 overall. What color is the sky where you guys live? :ROFLMAO:
 
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