Chansi Stuckey - WR Coach

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Lberry said:
Agree with this. Not sure we talk enough about how no one outside of the slot (Tyree/Fiason) can separate. It's not just a Rico problem. Thomas runs like a TE, Colzie pretty much the same, Greathouse a little better but wasn't really out there, TM was untrusted by QB.
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Thomas is Anquan Boldin, if he is healthy.
 
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Pops Freshenmeyer said:
They returned four guys with any experience as a scholarship WR at the college level (Thomas, Colzie, Salerno, Merriweather). Three of them spent most of the year injured. The four combined for 35 receptions.

I think you can point to Merriweather's development as a demerit. Otherwise, I don't know what you want from Stuckey. Faison and Tyree were completely new to the position and had fantastic breakout years.
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I want him to realize the obvious, that Faison was probably our best WR in fall camp and should have been playing more from the get go. He got rave reviews in fall camp and Tobias did not, look how accurate that actually was.

I want him to be able to teach/coach effort and fighting for the ball, things you do when you aren't open to help yourself and the team.

I want him to understand his players talents and weaknesses and not allow them to be in spots where they are NOT playing to their strengths.

Tyree had 2 more receptions as a WR than he did as RB each of the last 2 years. 480 yds receiving and 26 catches looks like a breakout compared to the rest of our WRs but wasn't that good of a year.
 
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Pops Freshenmeyer said:
They returned four guys with any experience as a scholarship WR at the college level (Thomas, Colzie, Salerno, Merriweather). Three of them spent most of the year injured. The four combined for 35 receptions.

I think you can point to Merriweather's development as a demerit. Otherwise, I don't know what you want from Stuckey. Faison and Tyree were completely new to the position and had fantastic breakout years.
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I have a really hard time blaming Stuckey for this one. We've seen Merriweather half-ass (or straight up not attempt to fight for) too many balls to put that blame on Stuckey. That's not about technique. That's about heart, and I'm not sure how badly Merriweather wants to be great. He sure doesn't show it on the field if he does want to be...
 
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ThePiombino said:
I have a really hard time blaming Stuckey for this one. We've seen Merriweather half-ass (or straight up not attempt to fight for) too many balls to put that blame on Stuckey. That's not about technique. That's about heart, and I'm not sure how badly Merriweather wants to be great. He sure doesn't show it on the field if he does want to be...
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Agree, other than he kept playing and doing it. So the message if there is one, isn't getting home.

Like you said, that's just simple effort and desire, not technique.
 
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the counter point is that he didnt really have a choice but to play the freshman. I certainly think like most coaches on the staff, you can point to some things and say heres where they are performing well and here is where they can improve.

Sometimes you have to look at the players as well. Does he get docked for Merriweather being soft? Or is that just on Merriweather at some point. Does he get credit for Flores, Greathouse and Faison or did Flores & Greathouse do their own work to show up ready to play in the summer knowing the depth chart was there for the taking and they got lucky as hell that Faison is a baller and happened to be on campus?

I certainly like the group he brought in last year and this years group is top notch as well. There is more than enough talent in the class ahead of his arrival to make a real solid group if he can get them to all raise their game this off season.
 
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the counter point is that he didnt really have a choice but to play the freshman. I certainly think like most coaches on the staff, you can point to some things and say heres where they are performing well and here is where they can improve.

Sometimes you have to look at the players as well. Does he get docked for Merriweather being soft? Or is that just on Merriweather at some point. Does he get credit for Flores, Greathouse and Faison or did Flores & Greathouse do their own work to show up ready to play in the summer knowing the depth chart was there for the taking and they got lucky as hell that Faison is a baller and happened to be on campus?

I certainly like the group he brought in last year and this years group is top notch as well. There is more than enough talent in the class ahead of his arrival to make a real solid group if he can get them to all raise their game this off season.
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Agree with all of this. I think 2024 we should expect to see improvement from the current frosh, but for me the real test will be 2025. By then, the current crop of frosh will be in their 3rd year and the incoming studs will have a full year under them. Barring injury and/or defection, that SHOULD be one helluva impressive stable. If it's not, maybe then we look at Stuckey not identifying and/or developing properly. Until then, I think he's done fairly well with what Del left him...
 
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NDdomer2 said:
the counter point is that he didnt really have a choice but to play the freshman. I certainly think like most coaches on the staff, you can point to some things and say heres where they are performing well and here is where they can improve.

Sometimes you have to look at the players as well. Does he get docked for Merriweather being soft? Or is that just on Merriweather at some point. Does he get credit for Flores, Greathouse and Faison or did Flores & Greathouse do their own work to show up ready to play in the summer knowing the depth chart was there for the taking and they got lucky as hell that Faison is a baller and happened to be on campus?

I certainly like the group he brought in last year and this years group is top notch as well. There is more than enough talent in the class ahead of his arrival to make a real solid group if he can get them to all raise their game this off season.
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That's where i'm at. I'm not down or up on stuckey because he hasn't had a ton of time, but also, players that were with him now for 2 years did not show improvement.

Next year we will have 6 to 8 players that have been with stuckey for 2 to 3 years. There will be NO excuse not to have significant development at the position as a whole and individually.

Then 2025, it should be a top 5 or so WR group in the country.
 
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irishff1014 said:
Not this off season. But he doesn’t have more improvement after the 24 season then absolutely he should be on the hot seat. There is many schools that are doing a ton more with less talent than we have. 3 years is more than fair for any of our questions.
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This is 100% false unless you can show me these schools.

Our WR was more depleted than I've ever seen it. Chansi inherited an absolute mess and has turned it into a productive, very young group of WRs. A converted RB has been our best WR and 3 freshman were in the top 5. That's development and production that he brought to the WR room. Tyree was not a WR prior to Stuckey.

Let's see what his room does with a fully functional S&C program and with more recruits filling it. We're still a little light on numbers but at least we're starting to look like a P5 program again. That's not shot at the talent, it's at roster management. Del absolutely destroyed us the last few years.
 
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ThePiombino said:
I have a really hard time blaming Stuckey for this one. We've seen Merriweather half-ass (or straight up not attempt to fight for) too many balls to put that blame on Stuckey. That's not about technique. That's about heart, and I'm not sure how badly Merriweather wants to be great. He sure doesn't show it on the field if he does want to be...
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I tend to agree but this is the second time this has happened (Styles). Maybe Stuckey just has difficulty reaching guys who aren't self-motivated. It does look like the guys Stuckey recruited are playing their tails off.
 
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Pops Freshenmeyer said:
I tend to agree but this is the second time this has happened (Styles). Maybe Stuckey just has difficulty reaching guys who aren't self-motivated. It does look like the guys Stuckey recruited are playing their tails off.
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Feels like we're talking in circles about the same shit day after day. Each time, with regards to Merriweather, I don't think it is suggested enough that it is entirely possible that Stuckey is doing everything he possibly can the other six days of the week to try and make Merriweather a better player but in the end it simply isn't happening. There has to come a point where logic and common sense bring fans to the end of the road where a guy ends up not being what we expected him to be when he was a high school recruit. Isn't the first time it has happened and it will not be the last.

If you're going to pin Merriweather's lack of development on Stuckey, you have to give Stuckey credit for the guys who are doing it, most of whom are true freshmen. Only seems fair, not that fair has any place in counter narratives.

It also gets overlooked that some of the same people continually harping that the OC is an inept dumpster fire starter are also calling for Stuckey to hit the "hot seat" if this, this and this don't happen in 2024. Really boils down to Stuckey being able to control what he can control, which is the WR room, and hope that everyone else around him is doing their own part. We're another year removed from Del and all that he did and did not do. Stuckey has to take who is healthy, who wants to work and coach them up each week. Then hope the walls aren't burning around him.
 
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irishff1014 said:
Another point to debate…

I like Stuckey, I think he has done a better job than Del. And I had thought he was doing a good job recruiting.(I know not hard to do)

I thought he was a good recruiter but all the freshman seem to be slot guys. That’s on him for not getting an outside guy.

In all these threads we keep seeing we are limited at most WR positions but not at the slot.
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He has done a better job in recruiting compared to Del, that much is true. I would say it's a tough job really. Look at the kids we've struggled to bring in over the last decade. We missed out on talents like Isaiah McKenzie because of academics. It's one of the skill positions we've struggled with, although we've done better since Freeman came on board.
 
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