CFB Playoff

[gkIrish]

I don't get the OSU hate around here. They're a Midwestern power that also hates Michigan and I'm pretty sure 99.8% of us would personally chip in to a "bribe Urban to ND" fund.

I hate everything about both Oregon and FSU. Alabama is everyone's favorite so I guess I'd pull for Ohio State of the four.

You have no idea how much OSU fans despise ND. I can't tell you how many friends of mine from Columbus hate us more than any team not named Michigan.

I'm definitely rooting for Bama. If my team's not in it, I usually root for the dynasty to keep winning.

 

[Nick Setta]

Try living in Columbus around fans that openly celebrate Cordell Jones' play school tweet and think they're awesome and can beat anyone.

Or going to school at THE Ohio State and living in Columbus for 19 years. "HEY REMEMBER 2005 WHERE WE KILLED YOU IN THE FIESTA BOWL".

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The secondary comment may be unnecessary, but seriously, a formula doesn't change. Variables change and make the outcome different, but the formula itself is far from random. It's freaking math. What math are the committee members doing? They just dropped the same team they had at #3 in the country 3 spots after winning a game 55-3.

The rolled a terrible team. OSU rolled a very good team. Baylor had a convincing win against a great team. Both of those wins improved the resumes enough (along with the head-to-head win) to jump TCU. I actually think a formula would have come up with the same four teams...except FSU would be the top seed.

That said, I think Baylor got hosed.

 

[koonja]

Furthermore, I hate OSU because they're PABs. They're not a school that does it the right way like ND does, and they're also afraid to play people. I actually respect Alabama/LSU types, even though they are a football factory because at least they're not afraid to play anyone (not that they have a choice, but OSU does). OSU is the football factory with history and tradition that is too pussy to schedule legit teams.

So they openly think it's cool that they're a 'football factory', but are too pussy to play real teams, yet still think they can beat anyone in the country, anytime. It's fucking miserable.

 

[Nick Setta]

Furthermore, I hate OSU because they're PABs. They're not a school that does it the right way like ND does, and they're also afraid to play people. I actually respect Alabama/LSU types, even though they are a football factory because at least they're not afraid to play anyone (not that they have a choice, but OSU does). OSU is the football factory with history and tradition that is too pussy to schedule legit teams.

So they openly think it's cool that they're a 'football factory', but are too pussy to play real teams, yet still think they can beat anyone in the country, anytime. It's fucking miserable.

"Oh man the SEC is so bad, Indiana would win the SEC, and Michigan State would kill Bama. There's no way we don't beat Bama #CardaleforHeisman"."

 

[MNIrishman]

Koon lives in the center of OSU country.

Me, I'd like to see Bama. I don't like Urban, the FSU QB is a felon, and Oregon is probably my 2nd choice to win it this year.

Rooting for OSU or FSU. Absolutely sick of the SEC. Would also be ok with Oregon, but I don't think they have it in them. I believe in the coaching of Meyer and the talent of FSU to have a CHANCE at it.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Furthermore, I hate OSU because they're PABs. They're not a school that does it the right way like ND does, and they're also afraid to play people. I actually respect Alabama/LSU types, even though they are a football factory because at least they're not afraid to play anyone (not that they have a choice, but OSU does). OSU is the football factory with history and tradition that is too pussy to schedule legit teams.

So they openly think it's cool that they're a 'football factory', but are too pussy to play real teams, yet still think they can beat anyone in the country, anytime. It's fucking miserable.

Their loss this year was against Va Tech. It was a bad loss, but that's a good non-conference game. They also scheduled Navy, a team you think we should drop, and Cincy, a pretty big chested team this year. They've also just scheduled Notre Dame in a home and home coming up.

You know more about them that I do, no doubt. But, at a glance, it's a better schedule than a lot of power 5 conference teams do in the non-conference.

 

[koonja]

Their loss this year was against Va Tech. It was a bad loss, but that's a good non-conference game. They also scheduled Navy, a team you think we should drop, and Cincy, a pretty big chested team this year. They've also just scheduled Notre Dame in a home and home coming up.

You know more about them that I do, no doubt. But, at a glance, it's a better schedule than a lot of power 5 conference teams do in the non-conference.

While Oregon schedules MSU, FSU schedules ND, Florida, and Oklahoma State.

And OSU fans pumped VT up like a big time team pre-game. OSU is a big brand and living in that area is tough no matter what team it is, but I don't like them for the reasons above post.

 

[Guest]

Baylor and TCU got hosed and I knew this would happen with this system. 4 teams in college football is a joke to begin with.

And the problem with committees is that money and influence rules, as I predicted when this was put together.

Other than watching ND football which I cannot give up, I am done with college football in general. I cannot stand their ridiculous system anymore. It's a farce.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

While Oregon schedules MSU, FSU schedules ND, Florida, and Oklahoma State.

And OSU fans pumped VT up like a big time team pre-game. OSU is a big brand and living in that area is tough no matter what team it is, but I don't like them for the reasons above post.

And I have great sympathy for you. But Columbus is pretty cool otherwise, right?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Furthermore, I hate OSU because they're PABs. They're not a school that does it the right way like ND does, and they're also afraid to play people. I actually respect Alabama/LSU types, even though they are a football factory because at least they're not afraid to play anyone (not that they have a choice, but OSU does). OSU is the football factory with history and tradition that is too pussy to schedule legit teams.

So they openly think it's cool that they're a 'football factory', but are too pussy to play real teams, yet still think they can beat anyone in the country, anytime. It's fucking miserable.

Not exactly fair. Ohio State tries to schedule one OOC power every year.

2005: Texas
2006: Texas
2007: Washington
2008: Southern Cal
2009: Southern Cal
2010: Miami
2011: Miami
2012: Cal
2013: Cal
2014: Virginia Tech
2015: Virginia Tech
2016: Oklahoma
2017: Oklahoma
2018: TCU
2019: TCU
2020: Oregon
2021: Oregon
2022: Notre Dame, Texas
2023: Notre Dame, Texas

 

[gkIrish]

Furthermore, I hate OSU because they're PABs. They're not a school that does it the right way like ND does, and they're also afraid to play people. I actually respect Alabama/LSU types, even though they are a football factory because at least they're not afraid to play anyone (not that they have a choice, but OSU does). OSU is the football factory with history and tradition that is too pussy to schedule legit teams.

So they openly think it's cool that they're a 'football factory', but are too pussy to play real teams, yet still think they can beat anyone in the country, anytime. It's fucking miserable.

You know I hate OSU but they actually do challenge themselves out of conference historically and seem to be doing so in the future. They played a home and home with USC and Texas this decade. When they schedule Virginia Tech, Vtech was consistently at the top of the ACC. Even Cal was pretty good when they scheduled them. Playing us in the future along with Oklahoma, TCU, Boston College, and Oregon St. That's real solid.

Edit: Or see Buster's post above. Although I listed all those teams without looking

 

[koonja]

And I have great sympathy for you. But Columbus is pretty cool otherwise, right?

It was until 12:45pm today .

 

[ickythump1225]

Yea but this is better. Its gonna be natural bias' but this is a better option than a computer formula.

No "the eye test" and "game control" are NOT better than objective math formulas. Condi Rice and a gang of sleazy ADs is not better than the BCS. I'll never understand why we couldn't have gone to a playoff and kept the BCS formula. This is horrible and it makes me want to just be a strictly NFL fan again. At least their criteria is objective and fair.

 

[IrishLax]

Not exactly fair. Ohio State tries to schedule one OOC power every year.

2005: Texas
2006: Texas
2007: Washington
2008: Southern Cal
2009: Southern Cal
2010: Miami
2011: Miami
2012: Cal
2013: Cal
2014: Virginia Tech
2015: Virginia Tech
2016: Oklahoma
2017: Oklahoma
2018: TCU
2019: TCU
2020: Oregon
2021: Oregon
2022: Notre Dame
2023: Notre Dame

Yeah, it's not fair at all. They're no Baylor in terms of ducking any reasonably competent team.

 

[koonja]

Sure, they play ONE OOC game that you can at least recognize, after that it's a joke. For instance:

2015:
Virginia Tech
Hawaii Rainbows
Northern Illinois
Western Michigan Broncos

 

[gkIrish]

Sure, they play ONE OOC game that you can at least recognize, after that it's a joke. For instance:

2015:
Virginia Tech
Hawaii Rainbows
Northern Illinois
Western Michigan Broncos

What do you want them to do? They actually schedule exactly how ND should schedule. It's not OSU's fault that Michigan sucks and Nebraska/Penn St. aren't elite teams anymore.

 

[koonja]

What do you want them to do? They actually schedule exactly how ND should schedule. It's not OSU's fault that Michigan sucks and Nebraska/Penn St. aren't elite teams anymore.

Not play these teams: Hawaii Rainbows, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan Broncos, then walk into their shitty conference pumping their chest like they belong at the top of the SEC.

I just really hate OSU so yes, I'm probably overreacting. But my point is, if you're a football factory but at least play a hard schedule, I can respect that. They're a football factory that walks through a BS schedule and thinks they're God's gift to football.

 

[ickythump1225]

Who do you WANT to win? I'm rooting for FSU since that's basically our conference. Then Bama (because I don't like Oregon), then Oregon, then OSU.

I'd pay to guarantee OSU didn't win it.

Oregon. I can't f**king stand FSU, I would pay a lot to see FSU humiliated and embarrassed on national TV I want to see like 59-0. I want Jameis Winston to play so horribly his spirit is broken and he retires from football.

In the other game I want to see Nick Saban make Urban Meyer quit football again. But of course I hate Alabama so f**k them I don't want to see them win another one.

 

[gkIrish]

Not play these teams: Hawaii Rainbows, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan Broncos, then walk into their shitty conference pumping their chest like they belong at the top of the SEC.

I just really hate OSU so yes, I'm probably overreacting. But my point is, if you're a football factory but at least play a hard schedule, I can respect that. They're a football factory that walks through a BS schedule and thinks they're God's gift to football.

Northern Illinois was undefeated like 2 or 3 years ago. The other two are always cupcakes but every single team in the country schedules 2-3 cupcakes. Notre Dame is the only team that doesn't consistently do that.

 

[IrishLax]

What do you want them to do? They actually schedule exactly how ND should schedule. It's not OSU's fault that Michigan sucks and Nebraska/Penn St. aren't elite teams anymore.

Yeah, ND needs to schedule each year closer to how next year's schedule sets up. You're an idiot if you have less than 3 non-Power 5 teams on your schedule in a given year.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't understand the complaining about TCU. They're 11-1 against an average schedule. Ohio State is 12-1 against an average schedule. That's not bias, 12-1 is objectively better than 11-1.

Because the shady illogical route they took to get there. How can you rank a team #3 one week and then have that team win by 52 and drop them three spots? It's not like it was secret knowledge that TCU would only play 12 games. The committee has shown itself to be inept and confusing throughout the whole process. They've poisoned the well so much that no matter what call they made people would be confused and pissed.

Not to mention it's way too easy to see the true motivation behind the call: $$$. OSU will bring eyeballs and money. TCU and Baylor don't. With your employer's hype machine owning the process they wanted the CFP to...

 

[wizards8507]

While Oregon schedules MSU, FSU schedules ND, Florida, and Oklahoma State.

And OSU fans pumped VT up like a big time team pre-game. OSU is a big brand and living in that area is tough no matter what team it is, but I don't like them for the reasons above post.

Florida State didn't schedule ND. That's a conference game that they had no say in.

Baylor and TCU got hosed and I knew this would happen with this system. 4 teams in college football is a joke to begin with.

And the problem with committees is that money and influence rules, as I predicted when this was put together.

Other than watching ND football which I cannot give up, I am done with college football in general. I cannot stand their ridiculous system anymore. It's a farce.

Corruption and injustice are part of what makes college football great. As is the ensuing outrage. "The argument" is the whole point.

 

[wizards8507]

Because the shady illogical route they took to get there. How can you rank a team #3 one week and then have that team win by 52 and drop them three spots? It's not like it was secret knowledge that TCU would only play 12 games. The committee has shown itself to be inept and confusing throughout the whole process. They've poisoned the well so much that no matter what call they made people would be confused and pissed.

Not to mention it's way too easy to see the true motivation behind the call: $$$. OSU will bring eyeballs and money. TCU and Baylor don't. With your employer's hype machine owning the process they wanted the CFP to...

What the hell does Condoleezza Rice care about ESPN's ratings? If the committee was in any way connected to the financial apparatus, you might have a point, but they don't. Unless you're suggesting something really nefarious like bribery.

Side note: How does the "show me the money" narrative sync with the "ESPN hates ND narrative?"

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Because the shady illogical route they took to get there. How can you rank a team #3 one week and then have that team win by 52 and drop them three spots? It's not like it was secret knowledge that TCU would only play 12 games. The committee has shown itself to be inept and confusing throughout the whole process. They've poisoned the well so much that no matter what call they made people would be confused and pissed.

Not to mention it's way too easy to see the true motivation behind the call: $$$. OSU will bring eyeballs and money. TCU and Baylor don't. With your employer's hype machine owning the process they wanted the CFP to...

Because two teams below them had really really good weeks that strengthened their resume.

 

[ickythump1225]

Because two teams below them had really really good weeks that strengthened their resume.

If they were a better team than those two teams going into that weekend I'm not sure how one weekend just changes that. It would be one thing if TCU was behind Baylor and OSU the whole time but they weren't.

 

[ickythump1225]

What the hell does Condoleezza Rice care about ESPN's ratings? If the committee was in any way connected to the financial apparatus, you might have a point, but they don't. Unless you're suggesting something really nefarious like bribery.

Side note: How does the "show me the money" narrative sync with the "ESPN hates ND narrative?"

It doesn't but I don't believe ESPN hates ND. ESPN, like all businesses, loves money.

Condoleezza might not care about ESPN's ratings but the ADs on the committee sure do, especially Jeff Long considering ESPN is so deeply shoved up the SEC's backside that they probably have a hard time breathing. The bigger the ratings the more money is involved, that ultimately means more money for all athletic departments. This isn't some elaborate conspiracy it's simple self interest.

Money is the ultimate driver of college football but at least under the BCS there was some objectivity to it. An underdog had a prayer of making it in but now objectivity has been taken out of the equation and given way to the "eye test" and "game control." So long as sitting Athletic Directors are on the committee this will amount to essentially a kangaroo court. The committee can essentially do whatever the hell it wants, like rank a team number 3 one week and then move them back to 6 after a 7 touchdown victory.

Were OSU and Baylor's wins better? Sure but the overall resume of the 3 teams is pretty much the same, why should TCU be punished because they played ISU the last week of the season and not 4 weeks ago? That is essentially what happened, Baylor got rewarded for playing ISU earlier and KSU at the end of the year. It's all prisoner of the moment bullshit. Though with Baylor I guess they were correcting their season long error of having them ranked behind the team they beat head to head.

 

[BeauBenken]

Isn't 13-0 better than 12-1?

Sorry, this popped into my head though.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If they were a better team than those two teams going into that weekend I'm not sure how one weekend just changes that. It would be one thing if TCU was behind Baylor and OSU the whole time but they weren't.

KSU was TCU's best win heading into the weekend. Not only did Baylor improve their SOS, they undermined TCU's crown jewel. Meanwhile, OSU destroyed Wiscy with their 3rd string QB.

Really though, it was crazy that the committee had TCU at 3 to begin with.

 

[T Town Tommy]

My thoughts...

I think the committee got the best four teams in at the end of the day. That was their mandate. The week over week rankings could be openly debated but the committee isn't charged with "looking forward" to the next week games like us as fans.

And I think ND will be in a horrible position moving forward since they do not have a conference championship game. The committee made it pretty clear that the fact Baylor and TCU did not play a CCG hurt them in the end. Translated that really means ND will need to be undefeated most years in order to make the four team playoff.