CFB Head Coaching Carousel 2018

[stlnd01]

Question is whether Kingsbury would take the job with their HC situation. Cam Smith's comments after the ND game confirmed what most people were able to gather by watching them play - this team isn't "buying in" to whatever the staff is selling. That said, if he can get the offense clicking, he may get the first look at the USC HC job once Helton is fired. That may be intriguing.

Kingsbury would probalby have to agree to keep Tee Martin on the staff too. I think Helton wants to keep him around b/c he can recruit.

Another question is whether or not USC is willing to open up the pocket book for a coordinator who will command a relatively high salary. Boosters are absolutely irate with Swann right now, and according to "sources", people are closing up their pocket books, including several big donors. Not good, especially given they're in the middle of a $300 million dollar stadium renovation and they're having trouble parking 60k asses into a stadium against their biggest rivals.
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I think it’s very similar to ND’s situation post-2016. Agree the best coordinators might stay away because of the instability. But good coordinators jump after a year or two all the time now (look at Elko, for instance). And Kingsbury has the added advantage - unlike Long or Elko at ND in 2017 - of being at least a plausible candidate for the head job there. Though if he gets the offense running well enough to win the head coaching job then Helton is probably looking just fine.

Regardless, money should absolutely not be an issue for USC. If donors want to punish Swann for not firing Helton, I guess that’s their right. But going cheap on coordinators is just going to mean another year like this one. Empty seats and no bowl game will cost them a lot more than a good coaching staff will.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Anyone else hearing rumors of Stoops to Auburn via booster coup?

 

[EvilleIrish]

Anyone else hearing rumors of Stoops to Auburn via booster coup?

Football Scoop reported the rumor.

 

[BabyIrish]

Anyone else hearing rumors of Stoops to Auburn via booster coup?

That’s crazy. Did anyone play a better half of football against Alabama than auburn. There never going to be a perennial 10 win team.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That’s crazy. Did anyone play a better half of football against Alabama than auburn. There never going to be a perennial 10 win team.

It’s also crazy because Malzahn’s buyout is exorbitant.

 

[stlnd01]

Which Stoops?

 

[Irish YJ]

Seems like it would be a heck of a lot easier to compete in the ACC as Louisville than in the SEC as Mizzou.

Odom is a good/decent coach. He's got a lot of history at Missouri, so would be a little surprised if he left. He's probably the best Missouri can hope to get.

It appears Brohm is staying at Purdue.

"I want Louisville to do what's best for them," Brohm said after Purdue's 28-21 win at Indiana, which made the Boilers bowl-eligible at 6-6. "I'm a fan. But right now, I'm the coach at Purdue. This is where I want to be and I like it here."

Brohm called the reports linking him to Louisville "pure speculation" and said he has talked with Purdue players about the situation and "will continue to be honest with my team."

Purdue wide receiver Rondale Moore told Rivals.com that Brohm told the team "there's nothing to worry about" regarding his future.

Read where there is a rumor about UoL contacting Mizzou HC, which would support Brohm's statement. Not sure which HC position is better UoL or Mizzou?

Would really love it Brohm stayed. I do think he's capable of being a big program coach, I just don't think Louisville is a good step. Easier to win the B10W IMO, than an ACC Atlantic with Clemson and FSU.

Kingsbury seemed to always have an unknown QB that played lights out, and several have gone on to the pros. Will be a good pick up for any college program (USC??), but could probably make leap to pros, too.

I could see him going to the pros in the right system. I think he'd be better off though going to a big time college team as an OC and gaining more experience. He'd get another HC job easily for instance if he went to work for Saban for a couple years.

If we have to lose a coordinator let it be Polian

This. I just hope they get someone better for STs, and someone with experience in talent rich states for recruiting coordinator.

Pete Sampson mentioned Marty Biaggi at North Texas. Current ST coordinator there and a previous ND analyst.

Has history with DBs too. Not sure what he wold bring to the recruiting position (assuming they kept the recruiting and STs combined)

That’s crazy. Did anyone play a better half of football against Alabama than auburn. There never going to be a perennial 10 win team.

I think Auburn could absolutely be a consistent ten win team. It's easy to recruit there and they are all in on FB as a school. They just need a coach. Granted it hard to be in a division with Bama, but they absolutely can be competitive with the rest. They just can't keep falling behind teams like MissSt, TAMU, etc.. Even at 9 wins, they'll be top 10ish at the end of the year. It'll just take some special years to get over the Bama hump.

 

[Crazy Balki]

It appears Brohm is staying at Purdue.

"I want Louisville to do what's best for them," Brohm said after Purdue's 28-21 win at Indiana, which made the Boilers bowl-eligible at 6-6. "I'm a fan. But right now, I'm the coach at Purdue. This is where I want to be and I like it here."

Brohm called the reports linking him to Louisville "pure speculation" and said he has talked with Purdue players about the situation and "will continue to be honest with my team."

Purdue wide receiver Rondale Moore told Rivals.com that Brohm told the team "there's nothing to worry about" regarding his future.

Read where there is a rumor about UoL contacting Mizzou HC, which would support Brohm's statement. Not sure which HC position is better UoL or Mizzou?

I highly doubt Odom would leave Mizzou for Louisville. I'd say they're both kind of on the same level in regards to their conference. Solid but definitely not top tier. Odom is a Mizzou grad and has coached at Mizzou for a huge chunk of his career. Doubt he leaves unless it's a much bigger job than Louisville.

 

[Crazy Balki]

That’s crazy. Did anyone play a better half of football against Alabama than auburn. There never going to be a perennial 10 win team.

It's not all that crazy. Since his 2013 title run that had to have been the work of a half dozen witch doctors, this is his track record:

2014 (preseason #6): 8-5 (lost to Georgia and Alabama, lost bowl game to Wisconsin)
2015 (preseason #6): 7-6 (lost to Georgia and Alabama again, lost in Baton Rouge to LSU)
2016: (preseason unranked): 8-5 (lost to Georgia and Alabama again, lost bowl game to Oklahoma)
2017: (preseason #12): 10-4 (beat Georgia and Alabama, but then lost to Georgia and lost bowl game to UCF)
2018: (preseason #9): 7-5 (lost to Georgia and Alabama in blowout fashion)

40-25, including a 2-9 record against their two main rivals. That's Harbaugh-levels of bad.

Auburn is desperate to stay relevant in an area dominated by it's two rivals. Alabama doesn't seem to be going away any time soon and Georgia is starting to look like a consistent elite program as well. Meanwhile Auburn has been mediocre for the better part of the last 5 seasons.

Buyout be damned, and believe me, if possible, Auburn will make it happen. Damn the expense because being better than Bama means much more to them.

 

[BabyIrish]

Would really love it Brohm stayed. I do think he's capable of being a big program coach, I just don't think Louisville is a good step. Easier to win the B10W IMO, than an ACC Atlantic with Clemson and FSU

I think Auburn could absolutely be a consistent ten win team. It's easy to recruit there and they are all in on FB as a school. They just need a coach. Granted it hard to be in a division with Bama, but they absolutely can be competitive with the rest. They just can't keep falling behind teams like MissSt, TAMU, etc.. Even at 9 wins, they'll be top 10ish at the end of the year. It'll just take some special years to get over the Bama hump.

I don’t see Brohm leaving Purdue except for Louisville.

I disagree. I don’t see them beating LSU a&m or Miss st each year. I think they could have ten wins every two or three years.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don’t see Brohm leaving Purdue except for Louisville.

I disagree. I don’t see them beating LSU a&m or Miss st each year. I think they could have ten wins every two or three years.

If Brohm doesn't go to Louisville now, he's

- either a PU lifer
- wants big things, and has come to realization that Louisville is just not a great step.
- ends up at Louisville on his way down...

 

[stlnd01]

I highly doubt Odom would leave Mizzou for Louisville. I'd say they're both kind of on the same level in regards to their conference. Solid but definitely not top tier. Odom is a Mizzou grad and has coached at Mizzou for a huge chunk of his career. Doubt he leaves unless it's a much bigger job than Louisville.

If Odom's a Mizzou guy, he'll stay. But if you don't feel strongly about either school and want to win games, compete for conference titles and have a shot at major bowls, that's a lot easier at Louisville.

 

[Irish#1]

It’s also crazy because Malzahn’s buyout is exorbitant.

Stoops vehemently denied the rumors. That must mean they’re true..

 

[Irish YJ]

Found this interesting from a local Louisville reporter.
Louisville is not even the most attractive ACC job....
Sure Mack is likely to UNC, but it's pretty bad if folks see UNC as > than Louisville from a football program perspective.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/39539595/...s-louisville-job-rank-among-football-openings

 

[stlnd01]

Found this interesting from a local Louisville reporter.
Louisville is not even the most attractive ACC job....
Sure Mack is likely to UNC, but it's pretty bad if folks see UNC as > than Louisville from a football program perspective.

http://www.wdrb.com/story/39539595/...s-louisville-job-rank-among-football-openings

I know it's a basketball school but if UNC ever actually decided they wanted to be good at football, they could be one of the top programs in the ACC right quick.
Loads of talent to recruit. Plenty of resources. No particularly scary in-state rivals to suck up the oxygen. It's not Clemson or Florida State - and I agree right now I'd say Louisville is probably a "better" job if your goal is to win games for three or four years and jump to an elite program - but UNC feels like the ultimate sleeping giant that the right coach could wake up and run with. Which is why hiring Mack Brown is such a dumb idea.

 

[Irish YJ]

I know it's a basketball school but if UNC ever actually decided they wanted to be good at football, they could be one of the top programs in the ACC right quick.
Loads of talent to recruit. Plenty of resources. No particularly scary in-state rivals to suck up the oxygen. It's not Clemson or Florida State - and I agree right now I'd say Louisville is probably a "better" job if your goal is to win games for three or four years and jump to an elite program - but UNC feels like the ultimate sleeping giant that the right coach could wake up and run with. Which is why hiring Mack Brown is such a dumb idea.

Honestly I've never thought of Louisville as a football school. Both UNC and Louisville will always be B-ball first schools. I think UNC has far more upside on the FB side, and is on the opposite side of Clemson too.

Never understood the Mack Brown hate. Sure, he's not Saban or Urban Liar, but except for a few of his 16 seasons at UT, he won 9 or more games. And he shut down Texas recruiting wise except for the last couple years. And, he was arguably the guy who turned UNC around and into a respectable team prior to his jump to TX. He's a safe pick (but good pick), for a school who will always be a B-Ball first. IF he gets good coordinators, UNC could be ballin in a few years in the coastal.

 

[stlnd01]

Honestly I've never thought of Louisville as a football school. Both UNC and Louisville will always be B-ball first schools. I think UNC has far more upside on the FB side, and is on the opposite side of Clemson too.

Never understood the Mack Brown hate. Sure, he's not Saban or Urban Liar, but except for a few of his 16 seasons at UT, he won 9 or more games. And he shut down Texas recruiting wise except for the last couple years. And, he was arguably the guy who turned UNC around and into a respectable team prior to his jump to TX. He's a safe pick (but good pick), for a school who will always be a B-Ball first. IF he gets good coordinators, UNC could be ballin in a few years in the coastal.

I don't hate Mack Brown. He was a very good coach for UNC and Texas. I just think he's well past his prime. He's been out of coaching for five years and it has been a decade since he put a particularly good team on the field. The game has changed a lot. Sure he could get good coordinators. But they could be gone in a couple years. Or he hires an old buddy. Who knows. But he's a class act. A very safe pick. Too safe, is all.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't hate Mack Brown. He was a very good coach for UNC and Texas. I just think he's well past his prime. He's been out of coaching for five years and it has been a decade since he put a particularly good team on the field. The game has changed a lot. Sure he could get good coordinators. But they could be gone in a couple years. Or he hires an old buddy. Who knows. But he's a class act. A very safe pick. Too safe, is all.

I think he'll do fine. Everyone has to deal with coordinators coming and going. He knows the area obviously, plus from TN, and will still be able to pull from TX. It's safe, but with a lot of upside. Even in his last year, he was still tied for #2 in the conference, and beat OK. Those were the years Baylor was running wild. And perhaps he just needed a break. It'll be interesting.

 

[ulukinatme]

Texas fans are not impressed. (Is anyone impressed?)
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2...e-football-bringing-mack-brown-to-chapel-hill

Gene Chizik and Kliff Kingsbury rumored as possible DC and OC for Mack Brown at UNC.

Oh man, I hope Surly Horns brings back MS Shamepaints

(Reference to a very bad Arkansas team, coached by THE John L Smith, beating Chizik in 2012)

Honestly I've never thought of Louisville as a football school. Both UNC and Louisville will always be B-ball first schools. I think UNC has far more upside on the FB side, and is on the opposite side of Clemson too.

Never understood the Mack Brown hate. Sure, he's not Saban or Urban Liar, but except for a few of his 16 seasons at UT, he won 9 or more games. And he shut down Texas recruiting wise except for the last couple years. And, he was arguably the guy who turned UNC around and into a respectable team prior to his jump to TX. He's a safe pick (but good pick), for a school who will always be a B-Ball first. IF he gets good coordinators, UNC could be ballin in a few years in the coastal.

I don't hate Mack Brown. He was a very good coach for UNC and Texas. I just think he's well past his prime. He's been out of coaching for five years and it has been a decade since he put a particularly good team on the field. The game has changed a lot. Sure he could get good coordinators. But they could be gone in a couple years. Or he hires an old buddy. Who knows. But he's a class act. A very safe pick. Too safe, is all.

Mack Brown is definitely past his prime. He was losing it at the end with Texas, which is why he got ousted. His recruiting was starting to tank, and he was making some questionable choices. He passed on both Johnny Manziel (He wanted him as a Safety!) as well as J.T. Barrett, both of which wanted to play for the Longhorns. He started losing a lot of recruits at the end. He had some very good years while Vince Young and Colt Mccoy were under center, but once Colt was gone things really started going downhill fast.

 

[dublinirish]

Oh man, I hope Surly Horns brings back MS Shamepaints

(Reference to a very bad Arkansas team, coached by THE John L Smith, beating Chizik in 2012)





Mack Brown is definitely past his prime. He was losing it at the end with Texas, which is why he got ousted. His recruiting was starting to tank, and he was making some questionable choices. He passed on both Johnny Manziel (He wanted him as a Safety!) as well as J.T. Barrett, both of which wanted to play for the Longhorns. He started losing a lot of recruits at the end. He had some very good years while Vince Young and Colt Mccoy were under center, but once Colt was gone things really started going downhill fast.

he could be good if he makes good OC and DC hires

 

[NDMIA]

Pete Sampson on Irish Illistrated Podcast mentioned John Bonamego & Marty Biagi as possible replacements should Brian Polian leave for BGSU. I would love to see John Bonamego with 12 years of NFL Special Teams coordinator experience!

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Tee Martin and 3 other assistants out at FUSC. Sorry if already posted somewhere, I haven't seen it. I realize the OP is head coaching, but there is a lot of other discussion going on here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...ont-return/ar-BBQbn16?li=BBnba9I&ocid=U452DHP

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Mack Brown is definitely past his prime. His recruiting was starting to tank.

His last 4 classes were all in top 5.


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[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s an update: Louisville’s recruits have been told to expect Jeff Brohm to be named the school’s next head coach.<a href="https://t.co/mwSGjspJBD">https://t.co/mwSGjspJBD</a></p>— Jake Lourim (@jakelourim) <a href="https://twitter.com/jakelourim/status/1067756522296524800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLion]

^You can't fight fate

 

[ulukinatme]

His last 4 classes were all in top 5.


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The 2013 class was ranked #24th, but you're right on the others. Hearing Texas fans talk about his recruiting you would think all those classes were ranked 50th lol. Still, when you see how Strong had to clean house when he came in and how they were performing with all that talent, it really makes you question what was going on there at the end at Texas.

 

[dublinirish]

Polian didnt get the BGSU job

 

[Rack Em]

Polian didnt get the BGSU job

They probably saw too much footage of Doerer's out-of-bounds kickoffs.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I wonder if Purdue would go after Long - no italics

 

[BobbyMac]

^You can't fight fate

You can't fight the almighty