Canceled | Wake Forest

[Irishize]

Philly, how would you rate your desire to keep those rivalries on a scale of 1 to 10?

For me, USC is a 10. Navy is a 3. Stanford is a negative eleventy billion... I actively want to drop them.

If we could set up our ACC agreement to be in the new “ACC North” where we play BC every year I’d consider that a positive trade off for dropping Stanford. I think you could play Navy as one of your OOC games if the ACC schedule was 8 games. The scheduling crunch comes in if the ACC schedule was made 9 games for some reason.

I echo your sentiment. Stanford can’t be considered a top ND rival just b/c they had a nice run in the Harbaugh/Shaw era. Yes, they sprung an upset or two in the early 90s but as someone stated ND didn’t start playing them consistently until 1988 & I suspect it was to give them a break from the gauntlet they continuously faced in the rest of the slate.

Joining a conference also gives ND an out from the ever present burden of playing Navy. I’d say ND has repaid the debt & can continue to sprinkle them into their schedule intermittently but it’s not a true rivalry when it’s so one-sided & there’s no upside for ND as they’ve more than “done the right thing” for the last generation.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Independence until it's no longer feasible, that's my vote

Yes, this. I'm not worried about a 10% improvement to ND's chances at making the playoff.

The playoff has sucked all the air out of the room for discussion of CFB generally and I don't like it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Again, while I'm not completely on board, ACC membership definitely gives us a clearer path to the playoff. It also opens the door to other benefits. We'd have guaranteed tie ins to good bowl games each season instead of praying we haven't used up our Champs Sports Bowl opportunity for the last 3 years or whatever that deal is. The ACC may be somewhat weak, but if ND is a full member it adds a lot more credibility to the conference. Quite frankly, the ACC being weak hasn't held Clemson back a bit in the playoff era, so nobody should be worried about conference perception. I would be fine with them bringing in Navy to keep that traditional rivalry, keep USC as a non-conference opponent as people have suggested, and drop Stanford. That leaves only the B1G rivalries in the cold, and that's okay. Fuck Michigan, they do nothing for the schedule anyway, especially this year lol.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yes, this. I'm not worried about a 10% improvement to ND's chances at making the playoff.

The playoff has sucked all the air out of the room for discussion of CFB generally and I don't like it.

Once they make the playoff 8 teams, which I believe they will soon, this will all be a mute point and we can stay independent for as long as we want.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Again, while I'm not completely on board, ACC membership definitely gives us a clearer path to the playoff. It also opens the door to other benefits. We'd have guaranteed tie ins to good bowl games each season instead of praying we haven't used up our Champs Sports Bowl opportunity for the last 3 years or whatever that deal is. The ACC may be somewhat weak, but if ND is a full member it adds a lot more credibility to the conference. Quite frankly, the ACC being weak hasn't held Clemson back a bit in the playoff era, so nobody should be worried about conference perception. I would be fine with them bringing in Navy to keep that traditional rivalry, keep USC as a non-conference opponent as people have suggested, and drop Stanford. That leaves only the B1G rivalries in the cold, and that's okay. Fuck Michigan, they do nothing for the schedule anyway, especially this year lol.

Absolutely. Neither has beating the annual two cupcakes like Citadel and Furman year in and out.

 

[Legacy]

Jettisoning Navy is a deal-breaker for me due to their commitment to us. They benefit from the revenue every other year by playing us in pro stadiums and willingness to be flexible. We have been scheduling in pro stadiums due to our ability to draw attendance - Green Bay, Soldier Field, Jacksonville and San Diego with Navy, as well as NY/NJ, Dublin and Indy. We still need to schedule home and home games with teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Texas or Oklahoma, an occasional SEC team. Then, there's recruiting with the draw for recruits across the country to play in their home states.

F*ck Michigan. Never again.

I would favor expanding ACC games to eight, for example, playing all seven opponents in a division and one cross-division game like BC with ACC bowl tie-ins included. Work out the media contracts and future games already contracted.

 

[pumpdog20]

My opinion: have to keep Navy, I hate playing them but you don't back out of that due to what they did for ND.

I really don't care about USC, so keep it or don't. I feel like it's a rivalry forced on us, doesn't feel genuine. I know I'm in the minority on that. Though it is nice to play in Cali every year. Maybe rotate to play in the Pac 12 every year instead.

I say make Miami our new main rival.

 

[irishfanjho15]

The only way I'd want ND to join the ACC as a football member is if the following happened:

ACC goes to 16 teams (adding ND and Navy).

Conference splits North and South divisions with the demarcation being the schools north and south of KY/TN and VA/NC state lines.

Conference plays 8 or 9 ACC opponents (7 in division, one set rivalry [ND would be FSU, Miami, or GT], and/or one rotating conference opponent out of division).

ND keeps historical home and home with USC, one other P5 (if 8 game conference slate) then schedules two Group of 5 games a season.

This puts ND in the division that allows them to play traditional rivals Navy, BC, and Pitt. Also traditionally speaking would be an easier path to CCG season in and season out. With OOC scheduling ND gets 10 P5 games a year in regular season.

It allows ND to go 12-1 and be in the playoff either as winner of CCG or as the loser of CCG in many seasons.

 

[PANDFAN]

join the ACC and be done with it...easier path to the playoffs...idc what Navy did back in the day...great, thanks and we have paid that debt million times over.

 

[NDisme]

If we join the ACC I just want the ACC logo off the front bumper of the helmet. Should always say IRISH

 

[BobbyMac]

Philly, how would you rate your desire to keep those rivalries on a scale of 1 to 10?

For me, USC is a 10. Navy is a 3. Stanford is a negative eleventy billion... I actively want to drop them.

If we could set up our ACC agreement to be in the new “ACC North” where we play BC every year I’d consider that a positive trade off for dropping Stanford. I think you could play Navy as one of your OOC games if the ACC schedule was 8 games. The scheduling crunch comes in if the ACC schedule was made 9 games for some reason.

Too high. No italics.

BUT

We sure do a good job recruiting difference makers in NorCal. Maybe we give Stanford the Michigan envelope in '24 and then after the game, announce a home and away series with Cal.

 

[BobbyMac]

And for those of you who don't know what to do with Navy. Make them play their home in San Diego. 2018's trip there was fantastic. If you don't want to do it for recruiting or the weather... do it for the beer. Great tailgate at the Murph on Sat sandwiched between beer bus tours on Friday and Sunday. 100% Heaven.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The only way I'd want ND to join the ACC as a football member is if the following happened:

ACC goes to 16 teams (adding ND and Navy).

Conference splits North and South divisions with the demarcation being the schools north and south of KY/TN and VA/NC state lines.

Conference plays 8 or 9 ACC opponents (7 in division, one set rivalry [ND would be FSU, Miami, or GT], and/or one rotating conference opponent out of division).

ND keeps historical home and home with USC, one other P5 (if 8 game conference slate) then schedules two Group of 5 games a season.

This puts ND in the division that allows them to play traditional rivals Navy, BC, and Pitt. Also traditionally speaking would be an easier path to CCG season in and season out. With OOC scheduling ND gets 10 P5 games a year in regular season.

It allows ND to go 12-1 and be in the playoff either as winner of CCG or as the loser of CCG in many seasons.

We can just use the Mason Dixon line. Easy Done.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Philly, how would you rate your desire to keep those rivalries on a scale of 1 to 10?

For me, USC is a 10. Navy is a 3. Stanford is a negative eleventy billion... I actively want to drop them.

If we could set up our ACC agreement to be in the new “ACC North” where we play BC every year I’d consider that a positive trade off for dropping Stanford. I think you could play Navy as one of your OOC games if the ACC schedule was 8 games. The scheduling crunch comes in if the ACC schedule was made 9 games for some reason.

A poster on Reddit pitched this:

Division A

Boston College
Louisville
Miami
Navy
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia Tech

Division B

Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Wake Forest

I don't see any chance the ACC allows Navy, even as a football-only. So they'd need a 16th team. Maybe Cincinnati?

I do like the appeal of basically the old ACC and old Big East making up the divisions though.

Open the season with Navy, rotate their home game at San Diego/San Francisco/Las Vegas/etc. End the season either at USC or at Miami like ND did in the 1980s.

I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.

 

[IrishLax]

A poster on Reddit pitched this:



I don't see any chance the ACC allows Navy, even as a football-only. So they'd need a 16th team. Maybe Cincinnati?

I do like the appeal of basically the old ACC and old Big East making up the divisions though.

Open the season with Navy, rotate their home game at San Diego/San Francisco/Las Vegas/etc. End the season either at USC or at Miami like ND did in the 1980s.

I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.

I think it’s most likely to be UCONN or maybe Cinci for team #16.

 

[ulukinatme]

Jettisoning Navy is a deal-breaker for me due to their commitment to us. They benefit from the revenue every other year by playing us in pro stadiums and willingness to be flexible. We have been scheduling in pro stadiums due to our ability to draw attendance - Green Bay, Soldier Field, Jacksonville and San Diego with Navy, as well as NY/NJ, Dublin and Indy. We still need to schedule home and home games with teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Texas or Oklahoma, an occasional SEC team. Then, there's recruiting with the draw for recruits across the country to play in their home states.

Michigan s*cks. Never again.

I would favor expanding ACC games to eight, for example, playing all seven opponents in a division and one cross-division game like BC with ACC bowl tie-ins included. Work out the media contracts and future games already contracted.

I'm all in favor of letting Michigan rot, but I'd like to put them in their place one more time...ala 2014. Should have never scheduled them again after that! Was a perfect way to end the rivalry.

 

[BobbyMac]

When the P5's redo the conferences, ACC's gotta take WV right? B1G won't take em and I'll guarantee the B1G will grab an AAU school or 3 to fill their ranks. UVa, UNC, Duke, Pitt would all be eligible.

Mizzou and Vandy from the SEC would be targets.

Texas, KU and Iowa St would be eligible from the Big 12.

 

[Ndaccountant]

When the P5's redo the conferences, ACC's gotta take WV right? B1G won't take em and I'll guarantee the B1G will grab an AAU school or 3 to fill their ranks. UVa, UNC, Duke, Pitt would all be eligible.

Mizzou and Vandy from the SEC would be targets.

Texas, KU and Iowa St would be eligible from the Big 12.

Dream 48 alignment. Premise is this. Have 4 12-team conferences, with 6 teams in a division. The goal is to maximize TV exposure in each division / conference, while preserving some traditional rivalries. Teams play everyone in their division, 3 cross over games and 4 out of conference. The 4 out of conference is 2 games based on region (see next paragraph) and 2 "free" games to schedule against any team. All OOC games must be played against the 48 teams listed.

Each school listed below is also grouped into 6 regional hubs - West Coast, Southeast, Mid Atlantic - Northeast, Greater Southwest, Midwest, Central US. For schools not in the 48, they are grouped into regional PODS based on the same geography. The bottom 6 schools in each regional hub (based on overall record, tie brake based on record versus regional teams) has a playoff at the end of the year with the "champion" of the same regional hub of schools not in the 48. Winner stays/moves into the 48.

Each conference has a CG. Each overall conference winner makes a 4 team playoff.

Revenue sharing matches NFL.

Conference 1
division 1 - Bama, Auburn, NC State, Northwestern, Iowa, Arizona
division 2 - Cal, Stanford, Penn State, Texas, BC, Wisconsin

Conference 2
division 1 - Ohio State, Michigan, Texas Tech, Arizona, BC, FSU
division 2 - Clemson, South Carolina, Michigan State, Oregon, TCU, Cuse

Conference 3
division 1 - ND, USC, Miami, Arkansas, Nebraska, Maryland
division 2 - UNC, Oklahoma, UCLA, LSU, Oklahoma State, GT

Conference 4
division 1 - Florida, Washington, Virginia Tech, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M
division 2 - UGA, Iowa State, West Virginia, Arizona State, Tenn, UVA

 

[BilboBaggins]

I think it’s most likely to be UCONN or maybe Cinci for team #16.

Maybe it gets more interesting if Villanova or Georgetown is paired with Navy as a football-only associate member. Both schools are worthy basketball programs and fit in well with the ACC academically and culturally.