Game of Thrones

[Emcee77]

who cares

Comment. Of. The. Year.

I want to frame it.

Though, to be fair, as far as I've noticed, koonja has not been as disruptive as he used to be. That might be because we are in different threads in the off-season.

 

[IrishLion]

who cares

I care.

I'll be watching GoT next Sunday, while simultaneously staining my new deck 5 months ahead of the recommended waiting period.

Think it'll be okay?

 

[koonja]

I care.

I'll be watching GoT next Sunday, while simultaneously staining my new deck 5 months ahead of the recommended waiting period.

Think it'll be okay?

No. Must wait exactly 180 days or your wood will melt. Even though some home improvement sites say it can e as little as 3 weeks if it's warm and dry out.

 

[woolybug25]

No. Must wait exactly 180 days or your wood will melt. Even though some home improvement sites say it can e as little as 3 weeks if it's warm and dry out.

Then why do you ask for "advice"? Pretty similar to watching a show you hate. You constantly ask for opinions when you know damn well you're going to do whatever is easiest anyways. Kinda dumb way to spend your time.

I think we need to call it something different than "advice", I think there has to be a possibility that you consider it for it to be actual "advice".

Maybe not, I don't know.

 

[koonja]

Then why do you ask for "advice"? Pretty similar to watching a show you hate. You constantly ask for opinions when you know damn well you're going to do whatever is easiest anyways. Kinda dumb way to spend your time.

I think we need to call it something different than "advice", I think there has to be a possibility that you consider it for it to be actual "advice".

Maybe not, I don't know.

So when I say "I'm planning on staining my deck on JUNE 27th, this will be 3 weeks after installing. I see some say wait as long as 6 months. Is JUNE 27th too sooon?".

People respond. I say "Ok, I'm going to push it back another month to ~ JULY 27th". How is that not listening to, and accepting advice? I changed my plan because of it. The wood is already dry. It's been hot. Some sites say as little as 3 weeks is ok. Giving it another month, the HOTTEST month, is listening to advice.

If you, or anyone else is just arguing to argue, just save it.

 

[Irish4Life09]

ok....so nobody answered my question.
do you think Bran will use his past visions to discover John Snow's lineage?

 

[gkIrish]

ok....so nobody answered my question.
do you think Bran will use his past visions to discover John Snow's lineage?

Yes

 

[woolybug25]

Anyone else think that Koon is a narcissist? Makes sense. Constantly asking for advice he doesn't take because he knows better. Despite never having done whatever he is asking about?

Just a guy that wants to hear himself talk. Especially if it's about himself. Hell... This thread wasn't even about him and he butted in because someone else was getting attention.

 

[gkIrish]

You hit the nail on the head here, my man. GK is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. He's a critical thinker, which is much different than a pessimist. He talks about what he doesn't like, but also wants to break down episodes. Discuss plot lines and character development. He isn't looking for negativity, but rather it comes sometimes out of breaking down an episode. Nothing wrong with that and the attitude is not negative. It's simply a analytical point of view.

That's much different than being a pathological cynic.

Right, again, I tend to agree. Gk, for example, often has critical things to say about the show, but I wouldn't say his comments are as overwhelmingly negative. Like, I get the sense that he enjoys the show. I don't get that sense from wiz. wiz, I really don't get why you watch it? You liked Hardhome, you said, but other positive comments have been rare, and it really seems like you are more frustrated by the show than entertained, so it would seem to me that you should stop watching because it is a net source of frustration. Certainly, I would stop watching a show that frustrated me, rather than watch six seasons of it.

Imagine a world where GK's opinion of BK and general view on the current state of ND football mirrors the portrait you just painted of his view on GoT.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Dr. Lebowski is in, and the diagnosis is grim.

 

[IrishLion]

Anyone else think that Koon is a narcissist? Makes sense. Constantly asking for advice he doesn't take because he knows better. Despite never having done whatever he is asking about?

Just a guy that wants to hear himself talk. Especially if it's about himself. Hell... This thread wasn't even about him and he butted in because someone else was getting attention.

You done transformed this into the IE Psychological Profile thread.

Who's next?

 

[ACamp1900]

Statement I'm not surprised by: koon is a narcissist.

Statement I'm totally surprised by: gk is a critical thinker.

 

[koonja]

Anyone else think that Koon is a narcissist? Makes sense. Constantly asking for advice he doesn't take because he knows better. Despite never having done whatever he is asking about?

Just a guy that wants to hear himself talk. Especially if it's about himself. Hell... This thread wasn't even about him and he butted in because someone else was getting attention.

I took the advice and postponed a month you insufferable internet want to know it all.

 

[gkIrish]

Statement I'm not surprised by: koon is a narcissist.

Statement I'm totally surprised by: gk is a critical thinker.

I think ^ is in critical need of a Greek boyfriend.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think ^ is in critical need of a Greek boyfriend.

gk: "So Emilia... do you have a little Greek in you?"

 

[woolybug25]

gk: "So Emilia... do you have a little Greek in you?"

"So Emilia.... Do you like gorilla exhibits?"


"Cuz i'de like to throw a baby in you"

 

[johnnycando]

"So Emilia.... Do you like gorilla exhibits?"


"Cuz i'de like to throw a baby in you"

So good...

 

[ACamp1900]

 

[phillyirish]

My opinion on the show has become similar to that of an avengers movie: entertaining, awesome action sequences, and beautiful shot, but kind of dumb downed and targeted toward lowest common denominator. Interestingly, if you guys were to venture over to the ASOIAF forums your opinions would fall in the minority; while GK, I and the like would fit in nicely.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think ^ is in critical need of a Greek boyfriend.

My opinion on the show has become similar to that of an avengers movie: entertaining, awesome action sequences, and beautiful shot, but kind of dumb downed and targeted toward lowest common denominator. Interestingly, if you guys were to venture over to the ASOIAF forums your opinions would fall in the minority; while GK, I and the like would fit in nicely.

Im of the mind that a lot of this "predictability" is unavoidable. When you get to this point in any narrative once all the pieces are put into place it becomes fairly easy to guess where the story is headed. Jon was always going to come back to life, Dany was always going to have to return to Mereen, ect ect. Not only is it the nature of this style of narrative, but also what happens when people have ten years between books to sit and pick through ever tiny detail of the plot up until that point.

It makes me worry for Wiz's health once tWoW actually comes out and he realizes that lots of this stuff isn't just D&D fucking up, rather it's just the natural arch of the narrative. Sure in some cases the show is pandering to the lowest common denominator, but also this is just what stories look like as you approach the conclusion.

To say the show is trash is just foolish. GoT is one of the most ambitious well made shows in the history of TV.

 

[IrishLion]

It makes me worry for Wiz's health once tWoW actually comes out and he realizes that lots of this stuff isn't just D&D fucking up, rather it's just the natural arch of the narrative. Sure in some cases the show is pandering to the lowest common denominator, but also this is just what stories look like as you approach the conclusion.

But but but the writing will be so much better and less predictable. When Littlefinger actually shows up to save the day in the books, we'll at least have a 21 page account of their harrowing journey through the Vale and on the King's Road that is actually a bunch of useless descriptors (much like the entirety of aFfC), but at least it will represent a realistic timeframe and we'll know for sure that Littlefinger doesn't have the power of teleportation!

 

[dublinirish]

But but but the writing will be so much better and less predictable. When Littlefinger actually shows up to save the day in the books, we'll at least have a 21 page account of their harrowing journey through the Vale and on the King's Road that is actually a bunch of useless descriptors (much like the entirety of aFfC), but at least it will represent a realistic timeframe and we'll know for sure that Littlefinger doesn't have the power of teleportation!

lol what about theon and yara's journey across the known world only stopping once for beer and hookers

 

[Irish YJ]

lol what about theon and yara's journey across the known world only stopping once for beer and hookers

Yara's a pimp. That chick has her priorities straight. Hoping to see her make a move on Dany before it's all said and done.

 

[wizards8507]

But but but the writing will be so much better and less predictable. When Littlefinger actually shows up to save the day in the books, we'll at least have a 21 page account of their harrowing journey through the Vale and on the King's Road that is actually a bunch of useless descriptors (much like the entirety of aFfC), but at least it will represent a realistic timeframe and we'll know for sure that Littlefinger doesn't have the power of teleportation!

In all seriousness, the "how" of the Vale's march north is no small thing. The Boltons hold Moat Cailin and Moat Cailin cannot be taken from the South.

 

[Emcee77]

Im of the mind that a lot of this "predictability" is unavoidable. When you get to this point in any narrative once all the pieces are put into place it becomes fairly easy to guess where the story is headed. Jon was always going to come back to life, Dany was always going to have to return to Mereen, ect ect. Not only is it the nature of this style of narrative, but also what happens when people have ten years between books to sit and pick through ever tiny detail of the plot up until that point.

It makes me worry for Wiz's health once tWoW actually comes out and he realizes that lots of this stuff isn't just D&D fucking up, rather it's just the natural arch of the narrative. Sure in some cases the show is pandering to the lowest common denominator, but also this is just what stories look like as you approach the conclusion.

To say the show is trash is just foolish. GoT is one of the most ambitious well made shows in the history of TV.

Yes, so much truth to this. If the narrative isn't at least theoretically predictable in some sense, then it's vulnerable to deus ex machina complaints. It actually SHOULD be somewhat predictable, at least to the limited extent that later events must be true to earlier events.

(This comment really belongs in the other thread, but I am actually kind of worried that the books WON'T be as "predictable" as the show because GRRM will intentionally change his original plan in order to diverge from the show, and the events of the books' denouement will just seem increasingly silly and out-of-leftfield as they transpire.)

 

[Corry]

Battle of the Bastards is has received a 10/10 fan rating on IMDB. With over 75,000 votes it's the highest rated GoT episode ever.

"Game of Thrones" Battle of the Bastards (TV Episode 2016) - IMDb


"Battle of the Bastards" the highest-rated GoT episode on IMDb

 

[wizards8507]

Im of the mind that a lot of this "predictability" is unavoidable. When you get to this point in any narrative once all the pieces are put into place it becomes fairly easy to guess where the story is headed. Jon was always going to come back to life, Dany was always going to have to return to Mereen, ect ect. Not only is it the nature of this style of narrative, but also what happens when people have ten years between books to sit and pick through ever tiny detail of the plot up until that point.

I agree in principle, but that's still no excuse for poor execution. In a vacuum, the Battle of the Bastards was fantastic. But anyone paying attention knew that Sansa had written to LF and that the KotV were coming to save the day. That completely undercut the tension of the entire battle and made all of the pre-battle dialogue about how their forces were insufficient irrelevant. And no, this didn't rise to the level of "dramatic irony" because they very much set up the battle as if they were doomed to lose and that LF's arrival was supposed to be a triumphant surprise.

It makes me worry for Wiz's health once tWoW actually comes out and he realizes that lots of this stuff isn't just D&D fucking up, rather it's just the natural arch of the narrative. Sure in some cases the show is pandering to the lowest common denominator, but also this is just what stories look like as you approach the conclusion.

Predictability has never been my primary issue. I'm more concerned with shitty writing / dialogue and unresolved plot holes.

A very minor example: When Sansa was feeding Ramsay to his dogs, she mentioned that the dogs hadn't eaten for seven days. The problem is that Sansa had already ridden away from the parlay on the field when Ramsay made that comment to Jon and his generals. Sansa had no idea the last time Ramsay's dogs had eaten.

Not a big deal, but extraordinarily lazy.

 

[gkIrish]

I think we are forgetting how different the story could be in the books. Stannis might not die. Sansa's story is not the same at all. Same with Theon. Who knows what Jon will do.

 

[dublinirish]

To me the battle was just very predictably done and anyone who has seen the Braveheart, 300, Cold Mountain would have noticed a bunch of homages to battle scenes in these movies. It'd be ok if these movies were cult classics but pretty much everyone has seen them

 

[gkIrish]

I just rewatched the episode. Let me give you a specific example of some terrible writing.

If you recall, the day prior to the battle Sansa tells Ramsay that he is going to die tomorrow. Then she gallops away from the group. THEN Ramsay goes on to tell Jon that his men look good and that the dogs have not been fed for 7 days.

Fast forward to the end of the episode and Sansa tells Ramsay that his dogs will eat them because he has not fed them in 7 days. Wait um, what? She didn't hear him say that. If you want to tell me Jon Snow told her that Ramsay said his dogs had not been fed for 7 days off screen despite the two of them having a 5 minute long one-on-one conversation on screen, okay.

But to me, it's just sloppy writing. I watch TV shows to be (a) entertained and (b) intellectually stimulated. Recently, there has been plenty of (a), but very little (b). Not saying people shouldn't be annoyed when we point these things out but I don't think it's necessary to complain about it all the time either. It's easier for you guys to just ignore it than for us to not say what we are itching to say. Agree?

A very minor example: When Sansa was feeding Ramsay to his dogs, she mentioned that the dogs hadn't eaten for seven days. The problem is that Sansa had already ridden away from the parlay on the field when Ramsay made that comment to Jon and his generals. Sansa had no idea the last time Ramsay's dogs had eaten.

Not a big deal, but extraordinarily lazy.

Yo dawg can I at least get a shout out...