BYU Postgame

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People can act like that's the end of the world but Georgia doesn't magically suck because they lost at home to Auburn. You're not defined by a singular game where you play like ass or the other team gets lucky or whatever.

BYU has a legit, Top 10 defense and Denbrock's deficiencies show up in games like that. It was always going to be hard to get to 30+ points but they also squandered wayyyyy too many short fields and had no answer for BYU just playing tons of man coverage. Like he is not scheming guys open, at all.

The bigger problem though is Chris Ash and there is no way that team should score 28. Played comical amounts of zone and had no answers in the first half. Guys lost, misaligned on many plays including a bust that led to their winning TD. 3rd and goal from the 6, and you bring a zero blitz from depth (????) and leave a true freshman with no help and tons of space to defend. Guy fucking sucks. All his juice numbers come against bad teams where offense builds a lead and he can tee off. If you want to play zone, then you need to get better at coaching it and / or run it in such a way that you don't give up BOTH easy chunks *and* large busts. I am so over it.
I think both of our coordinators make their money against bad teams - Denbrock can point at team scoring stats when most of those come from scoring 70 against Syracuse. His offense is pathetic against teams that can go toe to toe with us.
 

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-That was clearly DPI at the end, but I will not tolerate ND whining about it. You can't play that way all game and then bitch about the flag. Fuck your flag.

-That said, this was the worst team performance in a long time. aTm was worse defensively, but better offensively. Simply inexcusable from Freeeman. Maybe the worst coaching job he's done since NIU. The buck stops with him so this is on him.


-I'm OUT, with a capital O-U-T on Denbrock. Three times in the second half we had potentially game altering plays made by the ST and defense. A quick change, BYU is on their heels. What does he do. Three straight times he runs NJJ into a loaded box and suffocates the momentum.

-Ash was a giant fucking asshole the entire first half. Absolutely pitiful performance by his squad. Sure they looked better in the second half but that doesn't in anyway excuse his atrocious job. I think his defense is being propped up by weak opponents. We look like complete dipshits against teams with a pulse.

-It was nice of our coordinators to switch off having strokes between the first and second half so we could make sure we never garnered any momentum and seal the loss.

-The coordinators performance is on Freeman. Freeman hired his buddy Ash after Golden left and it has fucked us in all 3 games that have truly mattered since then. Denbrock is above average but he rarely allows the team to get into a flow and doesn't seem be in tune with the game at all, he has no sense of the moment. Really, we just fucking stopped their laughable fake punt and the first thing you can fucking think to do is run NJJ into a loaded box in the most obvious run fit of all time? Everytime we have a TE off center behind the line we run. Like every single time.

-I know many of you will object by saying "but look at everyone else," but this is NOT a playoff quality team. We thought we took a bunch of steps from BK but in all honesty, we're not a truly elite program. A truly elite program probably stepped on BYU in the first half but even then, they definitely pulled away in the 2H.

-I like Freeman and definitely appreciate all he's done from the program, but I really question his ability to get us over the top. He says the right things about being physical, being violent, being aggressive, etc. But when push comes to shove the last 5 Big Time Games we've played (Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Miami, aTm, and BYU), we've come out more often than not timid, the less physical team, and out of sorts. Sure, we won 2 of them, but the starts were rather BK like. In fact, this entire game was a BK Era script: slow start where we look overwhelmed infusing the opponent with confidence, climb back into it, rally that falls just short.

-Leave no doubt? Yeah, go fuck yourselves.
 

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People can act like that's the end of the world but Georgia doesn't magically suck because they lost at home to Auburn. You're not defined by a singular game where you play like ass or the other team gets lucky or whatever.

BYU has a legit, Top 10 defense and Denbrock's deficiencies show up in games like that. It was always going to be hard to get to 30+ points but they also squandered wayyyyy too many short fields and had no answer for BYU just playing tons of man coverage. Like he is not scheming guys open, at all.

The bigger problem though is Chris Ash and there is no way that team should score 28. Played comical amounts of zone and had no answers in the first half. Guys lost, misaligned on many plays including a bust that led to their winning TD. 3rd and goal from the 6, and you bring a zero blitz from depth (????) and leave a true freshman with no help and tons of space to defend. Guy fucking sucks. All his juice numbers come against bad teams where offense builds a lead and he can tee off. If you want to play zone, then you need to get better at coaching it and / or run it in such a way that you don't give up BOTH easy chunks *and* large busts. I am so over it.
Disagree. Ash made adjustments in the 2H. We continue to give Denbrock a free pass.

Once BYU shot their wad with trick plays we allowed 7 points. Granted going zone on that particular 3rd down snap was ill-advised, but after the “oop-de-oop” crap, the defense adjusted and got stops.

I wasn’t worried about the offense before tonight. Now I’m petrified.
 

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ND shot themselves in the foot on offense multiple times tonight. 2 overthrows on wide open guys literally in the endzone. The fuckup at the end of the 1H that cost them a FG.

ND should have won going away.
 

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You can’t go back and play the “what if” game.

Here is what did happen:

Jayden Sanders INT.

Nolan James run into a 7 man box for -4.
CJ designed run for 0.
Pass to NJJ for 7.

That doesn’t cut it after a huge, POTENTIALLY GAME- SEALING turnover.
Preach. That was actually bat shit crazy how bad that drive was.
 

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What I can't get past is that there was exactly ONE option on that last play.

Faison breaks his route off at the 4. CJ Carr rolls; the other side of the field is effectively eliminated.

All your eggs in one basket on a do-or-die play. Just completely inexcusable.
 

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Same shit different year for ND. Lifelong fan but getting really tired of the same old shit. WE LOST TO A MEDIOCRE BIG 12 team. this wasn’t OSU, Georgia, or Alabama. We didn’t deserve to win against BYU. Completely out coach vs BYU. Take that in. Fucking depressing. Again, same shit, different year.
 

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1. BYU more physical and got in NDs head. I’ll even credit the spike fumble to BYU for disrupting the flow and laying on people and being intentional about being ass holes. It worked.

2. Defense wasn’t ready. I can’t remember any BIG plays. BYU just did what they wanted for most of the game.

3. CJ Carr - Denbrock… it’s bad marriage that needs to end.

4. Walton not used enough.

5. Tae Johnson, Traore were needed.

6. Besides the fake punt and muffed punt, BYU did everting it wanted and needed to win.

7. FGs and spike fumble.

8. Ash isn’t a top D coordinator. He never was and still isn’t.
 

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It pretty simple….

Freeman and staff are incredible recruiters and the players love him. But freeman is just not intelligent scheme wise and can’t provide any help during a game other than “motivation”, and he didn’t seem motivated today.

Denbrock is washed up and is clueless in big games without a dual threat qb.

Ash zone is terrible and only works with a pass rush, yet we didn’t have a pass rush today we tried to shrink the pocket. The D was confused way too many times.

With all that said… we still win if Carr was solid. He was awful and late all game. Carr had no tds, supposed heisman candidate and first round qb vs byu no tds. Give me a break. His brother looked better. Bold statement, minchey was right choice.. solid probability we lose to Miami, miss playoffs, Carr goes pro and we don’t have good qb play next year….carr is a better nfl prospect than minchey but in college you need someone to make big plays. What game have we won where we needed Carr last 2 years. He’s been average at best in his 5 biggest games. Carr hasn’t made a critical throw in his career yet. Hess thinking too much because denbrock and freeman won’t scheme up good plays and rotate and play talented WRs.

The coaching staff needs blasted, but so does Carr.

Lastly comments for offense and D

Play your best players on offense. Jonaz Burress need to play

On D, it’s not ausberry, Bowen, Logan, or shuler. I don’t care if they’re a captain they stink

F it… If they lose to Miami, with the money spent on this staff and roster… fans should boycott the BC and SMU game. I have flights hotels and tickets to smu, I won’t go
 
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What’s amazing to me is that despite all the fuck ups against Miami and Texas A&M last year and BYU this year, each Game came down to the final play / drive. I think it’s very obvious that the talent is there and the inability to put it all together since the 2024 playoff run in one of these games is just maddening. It’s certainly a trend at this point with MF.

There’s a reason we were power rated by Vegas in the top five last year and top three right now. The spread wouldn’t have been 10.5 otherwise. We’ll almost certainly still be a favorite over Miami. Their performance tonight was even worse than ours pound for pound.
 

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Chris Ash is trash.

This coaching stuff fucked around and found out, by keeping the most athletic offensive weapons sidelined for #reasons. Put Burress out there, give Walton a few more carries. Bubba Frazier needs a jet sweep. Maximize your best talent. Instead, we keep relying on the same 2-3 guys.

CJ Carr isn't taking us to a title. I'm absolutely positive because his misses critical throws. He overthrew his receivers all night. I really like Carr, I think he's really good against 95% of college teams but he presses too much.

This might be the worst loss in terms of talent differential. Our defense looked lost out there. A defense full of NFL talent lost to BYU. The offense looked poor most of the night. When the team needed them to step up, after the interception, they go 3 and out. Getting down the field on BYU was difficult even with 4 downs.

I'm using this forum to come to grips with the disappointment but the good news is I get to wake up tomorrow and be a little less invested in something that is truly unimportant to the rest of my existence.
 

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People can act like that's the end of the world but Georgia doesn't magically suck because they lost at home to Auburn. You're not defined by a singular game where you play like ass or the other team gets lucky or whatever.

BYU has a legit, Top 10 defense and Denbrock's deficiencies show up in games like that. It was always going to be hard to get to 30+ points but they also squandered wayyyyy too many short fields and had no answer for BYU just playing tons of man coverage. Like he is not scheming guys open, at all.

The bigger problem though is Chris Ash and there is no way that team should score 28. Played comical amounts of zone and had no answers in the first half. Guys lost, misaligned on many plays including a bust that led to their winning TD. 3rd and goal from the 6, and you bring a zero blitz from depth (????) and leave a true freshman with no help and tons of space to defend. Guy fucking sucks. All his juice numbers come against bad teams where offense builds a lead and he can tee off. If you want to play zone, then you need to get better at coaching it and / or run it in such a way that you don't give up BOTH easy chunks *and* large busts. I am so over it.
It’s the end of the world for ND. Miami is going to torch this defense again and we will be 10-2 with terrible teams. This seas is a failure
 

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Carr doesn’t even know how to be under center. Not joking I think that’s what threw him off
I am 100% in agreement with you. Saying that I have never been apart of a pre practice at any level of football where the starting QB and center are not practicing snaps both under center and in shotgun.
 

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What I can't get past is that there was exactly ONE option on that last play.

Faison breaks his route off at the 4. CJ Carr rolls; the other side of the field is effectively eliminated.

All your eggs in one basket on a do-or-die play. Just completely inexcusable.
I can’t believe we had a timeout, missed two fades just a couple of plays before and decided to run that trash play
 

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Freeman is way to deferential to Denbrock. It’s going to cost us the season and Freeman’s job eventually. Completely outcoached one again
 

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I just get sick about all the talk and our players making dumbass hand gestures after a simple first down. We are soft.

Ask and Denbrock need to go. Carr needs to come back and improve arm strength and learn how to read a defense.

Let’s hope Navy does not fuck up our knees because Miami is our season
 

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Disagree. Ash made adjustments in the 2H. We continue to give Denbrock a free pass.

Once BYU shot their wad with trick plays we allowed 7 points. Granted going zone on that particular 3rd down snap was ill-advised, but after the “oop-de-oop” crap, the defense adjusted and got stops.

I wasn’t worried about the offense before tonight. Now I’m petrified.
1. Why did it take him a whole half to change anything?
2. In the game defining drive, why did he go away from those changes leading to a bust / 26 yard wide open completion on 2nd & 10.

I'm just so over it. I am so over guys running wide open because we are playing a sorry excuse for "zone" and meanwhile BYU is covering everyone like blankets. Mensah / Toney will absolutely torch that kind of scheme much worse than what we saw tonight.
 
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