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BVG has to go. End of story. Pay big bucks to a proven, big name D coordinator.
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Some of us tried tell you all that BVG was not a good fit here. Som e of you homers thought just because Kelly hired him it was going to be a perfect fit. He and Kelly have put this program back at least 1 year because of his useless scheme. And he needs to help pack the strength and conditioning staffs bags to this team is weak.
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Agreed with all the above. But we're still Irish faithful.
Gotta have faith that Kelly will make some adjustments.
Feel like Van Gorder is under the gun, but he's dealing with major adversity in his secondary and the fault with last night comes down to a blown coverage by Cole Luke in a place where you just can't be undisciplined like he was in that down and distance given the situation. I mean the defensive play call was good...
Gotta have faith that Kelly will make some adjustments.
Feel like Van Gorder is under the gun, but he's dealing with major adversity in his secondary and the fault with last night comes down to a blown coverage by Cole Luke in a place where you just can't be undisciplined like he was in that down and distance given the situation. I mean the defensive play call was good...
Great post!
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It's not just BVG. This program doesn't have any identity. It's a hodgepodge of philosophies, mostly on offense. Kelly seems to be a reactionary leader. His adjustments as a coach are usually a day late and without 100% commitment.
Example: hiring Sanford to turn the offensive room on its ear. But, he'll still be calling the plays and Denbrock will still sculpt the offensive playbook.
Has anyone noticed much difference since Sanford got here besides a handful of trick plays?
They don't run the read option well. They preach having a tough, physical line, but the offense is finesse. It's hard for me to believe Hiestand is overrated judging by the success his guys are having in the NFL.
Maybe it's the 7-on-7, fast-paced practice style of Kelly? You can't flip a switch and play physically on Gameday if you don't practice that way; O-line and front 7.
Example: hiring Sanford to turn the offensive room on its ear. But, he'll still be calling the plays and Denbrock will still sculpt the offensive playbook.
Has anyone noticed much difference since Sanford got here besides a handful of trick plays?
They don't run the read option well. They preach having a tough, physical line, but the offense is finesse. It's hard for me to believe Hiestand is overrated judging by the success his guys are having in the NFL.
Maybe it's the 7-on-7, fast-paced practice style of Kelly? You can't flip a switch and play physically on Gameday if you don't practice that way; O-line and front 7.
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What about an Eddie O or Bo Pellini? Some guys that have a little fire under them, can recruit and can maybe not give up 30pts a game
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I would LOVE either of these guys.
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Never an excuse to be below 50 with the talent thats there. Should be able to be 50 with talent, and coaching even with 100% freshman D. This is, has been, and will be a cluster fuck until a change is made.
Notre Dame does not need a defense that bullies middlin ACC teams. It needs a defense that competes with top 10 teams.
BVG is not the coordinator to get that done.
I won't argue scheme, because I don't understand it (his)...
I think BVG has not created an environment of accountability. And so he has certainly not created a culture of mental toughness...
I think BVG is not known for a position group, nor is there an identity for recruiting purposes, nor has he shown the ability to rapidly develop kids into what he needs.
Cole Luke's game last night is a really illustrative of what I've been thinking about BVG's defense...Luke had an int in the endzone and the Sparty kid (Freshman) just took it from him...he had opportunities to neutralize plays and just did not get it done ...and when the team needed one more play, he failed to stay locked in, and did not do his job. When you consistently fail to finish, that is mental toughness...mental toughness is a culture thing...It comes from accountability for results...just not happening in BVG world.
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I am not smart enough to do an antemortem (perimortem?) examination of the Kelly coaching administration, and I am not stupid enough to make wild-assed guesses about what is what, but here are a few things that strike me after taking a step back.
I tend to agree with you. I would make a general statement that ND has been outcoached, three for three, this year. Both sides of the ball are a problem.
There must be an internet blueprint floating around for how to defeat a zone blocking scheme like ND employs, and the only ones who haven't seen it are on the ND staff.
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This provides a conundrum; because whatever Kelly does, whether he takes the high or low road, ND will take the shot right in the recruiting. It will start with a Texas recruit, I predict. If you were a really good prospect from Texas, why would you go to ND over Texas, or one of the Texas schools?
Which is really what Jenkins-Swarbrick-Kelly should think about. Kelly will always be a really good coach, but he is too innovative. He will never make it to the top of the heap.
My question is, "Can you make it to the top of the heap without cheating?" And I don't any longer have an attempt at an answer.
@PeteSampson_
Of Notre Dame’s last 19 Power 5 opponents, 12 have put 30 points on the Irish defense.[/QUOTE]
That is not a misprint...and is deeply disturbing.[/QUOTE]
@BGI_CoachD
In three games, Notre Dame has allowed 8 scoring drives of at least 75 yards. [/QUOTE]
https://twitter.com/BGI_CoachD/status/777349935259869184[/QUOTE]
Together, you make quite a point. Does anyone have a way of interpreting this that Kelly is anything more or less than an eight or nine win coach at this level? Or is it the University's demands that cap the program?
You are not the only one! I feel like an idiot with a bad taste in the back of my mouth and too little room left in my shorts!
1) If Kelly can make adjustments to this overall situation, and improve the program output I for one will be wrong yet again. Which is about par for the course!
2) I do not believe as fans we have the right to anything more than to vote with our dollars.
3) Excuses only go so far. Since Kelly's first year this program has had more excuses than is countable. I had a friend like that. Everybody loved him. Just a hard luck kind of guy it seemed. Everybody made excuses for him. Then I noticed his behavior began changing. As he took advantage of the excuses everyone made for him. Then he left. Found a new place.
I caught up with him years later. He was his old self. He told me he left because he just couldn't take the sympathy anymore. He felt it was killing him. He had the courage to go out on his own and reestablish himself. He got back to his old good self again.
Does ND's program strike you as a bit like my friend?
Finally, MSU's offense took ND's defense, and their scheme apart. Their use of receivers constantly made safeties make poor choices, and left corners exposed.
Forget criticism of Coleman. Or Luke. Last night our corners constantly had to make decisions playing alone with no safety help behind or in the middle. What would you do on a route if you had to cover deep and worry about the receiver cutting inside, with no help from anyone?
MSU performed a clinic on how to kill that 4-3, or 4-2-5 with play action. Which is a shame because ND has the talent to be pretty good on defense.
As far as offense. I felt bad for DK, because MSU clearly knew how to stunt off the defensive line to kill 70 percent of what the Irish offense could do. To not be able to adjust through a whole game to some defensive line stunts which gave MSU a four to three, or five to three man advantage, is unbelievable!
It is really sad, and way too disturbing because this is exactly what Greg Mattison used to do against ND when UM beat the Irish what, three years in a row?
I tend to agree with you. I would make a general statement that ND has been outcoached, three for three, this year. Both sides of the ball are a problem.
There must be an internet blueprint floating around for how to defeat a zone blocking scheme like ND employs, and the only ones who haven't seen it are on the ND staff.
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This provides a conundrum; because whatever Kelly does, whether he takes the high or low road, ND will take the shot right in the recruiting. It will start with a Texas recruit, I predict. If you were a really good prospect from Texas, why would you go to ND over Texas, or one of the Texas schools?
Which is really what Jenkins-Swarbrick-Kelly should think about. Kelly will always be a really good coach, but he is too innovative. He will never make it to the top of the heap.
My question is, "Can you make it to the top of the heap without cheating?" And I don't any longer have an attempt at an answer.
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Of Notre Dame’s last 19 Power 5 opponents, 12 have put 30 points on the Irish defense.[/QUOTE]
That is not a misprint...and is deeply disturbing.[/QUOTE]
Bryan Driskell
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In three games, Notre Dame has allowed 8 scoring drives of at least 75 yards. [/QUOTE]
https://twitter.com/BGI_CoachD/status/777349935259869184[/QUOTE]
Together, you make quite a point. Does anyone have a way of interpreting this that Kelly is anything more or less than an eight or nine win coach at this level? Or is it the University's demands that cap the program?
You are not the only one! I feel like an idiot with a bad taste in the back of my mouth and too little room left in my shorts!
1) If Kelly can make adjustments to this overall situation, and improve the program output I for one will be wrong yet again. Which is about par for the course!
2) I do not believe as fans we have the right to anything more than to vote with our dollars.
3) Excuses only go so far. Since Kelly's first year this program has had more excuses than is countable. I had a friend like that. Everybody loved him. Just a hard luck kind of guy it seemed. Everybody made excuses for him. Then I noticed his behavior began changing. As he took advantage of the excuses everyone made for him. Then he left. Found a new place.
I caught up with him years later. He was his old self. He told me he left because he just couldn't take the sympathy anymore. He felt it was killing him. He had the courage to go out on his own and reestablish himself. He got back to his old good self again.
Does ND's program strike you as a bit like my friend?
Finally, MSU's offense took ND's defense, and their scheme apart. Their use of receivers constantly made safeties make poor choices, and left corners exposed.
Forget criticism of Coleman. Or Luke. Last night our corners constantly had to make decisions playing alone with no safety help behind or in the middle. What would you do on a route if you had to cover deep and worry about the receiver cutting inside, with no help from anyone?
MSU performed a clinic on how to kill that 4-3, or 4-2-5 with play action. Which is a shame because ND has the talent to be pretty good on defense.
As far as offense. I felt bad for DK, because MSU clearly knew how to stunt off the defensive line to kill 70 percent of what the Irish offense could do. To not be able to adjust through a whole game to some defensive line stunts which gave MSU a four to three, or five to three man advantage, is unbelievable!
It is really sad, and way too disturbing because this is exactly what Greg Mattison used to do against ND when UM beat the Irish what, three years in a row?
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Its easy to defeat our zone game, when we only use the most vanilla version of it and ditch all of the power plays, midline plays, and only qb draw once. I dont even think most of our dives were reads, so we literally gave away a free blocker most of the time.
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Not sure why everyone keeps saying "freshman took the ball from Cole". Cole screwed up and misjudged the ball and bobbled it. Corley did not take the ball from him, he caught it as Cole bobbled it. He did not "out muscle" him for the ball.
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Brian Kelly chewed out BVG and Lyght on the third down conversion to Corley.
BVG won't be here much longer.
I don't expect Lyght to be here next year either.
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BVG won't be here much longer.
I don't expect Lyght to be here next year either.
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Really want to see BVG gone. Not sure about Lyght. If the secondary plays like this under someone new then I agree. Not sure if the poor performance is due to Lyght or the defensive scheme.
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Why would you say we don't run the read option fine? It looked fine in previous games and this game I think we barely did reads.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvFI28CIIB0-FekBd1pZZlJNliJD_GmAB
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He's just a bad coach. Plain and simple. No need for detail.
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Hell, at this point I would take Cousin Eddie or Bo Duke over BVG.
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Hell, I'd take Daisy Duke over BVG. Those jean shorts had better coverage than the ND secondary has this year
Besides, she'd be a great lockerroom coach
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Respect
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Was that after the game?
This was 25 seconds ago at his press conference
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I think Kelly is sick of himself. Acts miserable and may need some serious medication.
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Devil's advocate: Kelly is smart enough to know that admitting his DC is a dumpster fire is recruiting suicide.
The reality is we don't know what Kelly thinks because he's enough of a politician to give coach-speak 100% of the time.
He came closer to criticizing Tenuta in his press conference than anything I have seen yet though.
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At the very least, the following must happen:
If we don't go 11-2 with a NY6 bowl win, then BK must fire BVG.
We aren't going 11-2, so BK must fire BVG.
If BK won't fire BVG, Swarbrick must fire BK.
If Swarbrick won't fire BK, Fr. Jenkins needs to step in and force the issue.
If Fr. Jenkins won't, well, I know several HC priests that would. They do not accept the 'academic restrictions' BS excuse. In any case, Jenkins was hired because he was willing to fire Willingham. And we're well past year 3 with BK.
P.S. If we can get Herman, we need to fire BK. Alas, I think Houston will get into the Big 12 and he'll stay put.
If we don't go 11-2 with a NY6 bowl win, then BK must fire BVG.
We aren't going 11-2, so BK must fire BVG.
If BK won't fire BVG, Swarbrick must fire BK.
If Swarbrick won't fire BK, Fr. Jenkins needs to step in and force the issue.
If Fr. Jenkins won't, well, I know several HC priests that would. They do not accept the 'academic restrictions' BS excuse. In any case, Jenkins was hired because he was willing to fire Willingham. And we're well past year 3 with BK.
P.S. If we can get Herman, we need to fire BK. Alas, I think Houston will get into the Big 12 and he'll stay put.
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Jenkins has bigger titties to lick than making sure BK is fired because he didn't fire BVG.