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I think Bryan Driskell does a good job of film eval. He has a good article on BGI about the defense versus Stanford. Interesting note, Hogan dropped back to pass on 23 plays and we dropped Okwara on 13 of those plays. Okwara leads the team in sacks.
 
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I think Bryan Driskell does a good job of film eval. He has a good article on BGI about the defense versus Stanford. Interesting note, Hogan dropped back to pass on 23 plays and we dropped Okwara on 13 of those plays. Okwara leads the team in sacks.

Yeah but he's also a freak at PBU's.
 

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I think Bryan Driskell does a good job of film eval. He has a good article on BGI about the defense versus Stanford. Interesting note, Hogan dropped back to pass on 23 plays and we dropped Okwara on 13 of those plays. Okwara leads the team in sacks.

Fireable offense, imo. Only half kidding.
 

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The defense was inconsistent. They tackled poorly in the secondary, they often seemed confused and out of position, pressure on the QB was not good, they didn't force many turnovers, and pass coverage was bad. What about this defense does anyone see improving? As I've observed, read in articles, and read here...the talent is not going to get better next year. Day and JSmith were some of the best ever at their spots at ND...they covered some things with all out talent that won't be covered...and even with them the defense was frequently a liability.

I'm not BVG, and don't claim to be in his universe, but even I know when players have doubt, they play slow. I think ND had more than a few moments of doubt in all three pillars...alignment, assignment, technique...and they played slow, inconsistently. Fix that, and I think many things take care of themselves when you have more 4 stars than 3 stars on the field.
 

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Why is it so hard to lean on a Diaco type system 90% of the time and have enough in your bag of tricks to dial it up against better offenses? Let the talent pin their ears back and go to town until it doesn't work, then start getting cute.
 

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I think Bryan Driskell does a good job of film eval. He has a good article on BGI about the defense versus Stanford. Interesting note, Hogan dropped back to pass on 23 plays and we dropped Okwara on 13 of those plays. Okwara leads the team in sacks.

This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off. He continually does not put the players in the best position to succeed. I understand the zone blitz concepts. We ran quite a few of them back in the day but continually blitzing Joe Schmidt and dropping Romeo into coverage is running "your system" instead of doing what's best for the team. Bottom line is his defense is the reason we are not in the top 4 right now.
 
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I think Bryan Driskell does a good job of film eval. He has a good article on BGI about the defense versus Stanford. Interesting note, Hogan dropped back to pass on 23 plays and we dropped Okwara on 13 of those plays. Okwara leads the team in sacks.

He also mentioned that Day was used to open up rush lanes rather than attacking the QB. Well that is great if blitzes are getting home. Not so great when No one gets there and now, with Okwara out in coverage and Day twisting outside Hogan has a great view of the middle of the field which was just conveniently vacated by all the LBs.

He basically pinpointed that NDs three top pass rushers were taken out of the gameplan and used for coverage on pass plays.
 

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All the criticism is justified. As stated before, there are not 25 rosters with more defensive talent yet our numbers combined probably landed us somewhere around 50th, in his 2nd year.

For all the b*tching about Diaco, we rarely had to worry about defensive collapses or back-breaking plays of 50+
 

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OFD just published a film breakdown of our defensive schematic woes against Stanford:

Final Thoughts

One of the key problems with the Irish defense this year is a scheme designed to confuse the opposition often didn't confuse. More importantly, these attempts to confuse frequently put Notre Dame defenders in difficult positions (e.g. linemen in coverage, defenders expected to make plays on the opposite side of the formation).

If you want a summary of the defensive problems this year, here goes... The big plays tended to be the result of player error. The long drives and average quarterbacks looking like world beaters against the Irish tended to be the result of scheme.
 

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This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off. He continually does not put the players in the best position to succeed. I understand the zone blitz concepts. We ran quite a few of them back in the day but continually blitzing Joe Schmidt and dropping Romeo into coverage is running "your system" instead of doing what's best for the team. Bottom line is his defense is the reason we are not in the top 4 right now.
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OFD just published a film breakdown of our defensive schematic woes against Stanford:

Maybe just my opinion but long drives (scheme) aren't going to be what Kelly is concerned about. It is the big plays (players).

I tend to believe that the coaches have faith that their players will make a play over the course of a long drive (int. stop to force fg). When you give up huge plays because of a mental mistake the team has no chance.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame CBs on targets 15+ yds downfield
K.Russell - 14 rec allowed in 29 targets
C.Luke - 7 rec allowed on 27 targets</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/672476971356450817">December 3, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Here's Keith Arnold with an article titled "Notre Dame football: What's wrong with the defense?"

The play has been dissected for nearly a week. Just 15 seconds and roughly 25 yards separated Notre Dame from an eleventh victory, a game that the playoff committee very well could have viewed as one of the most impressive road victory of the college football season.

But as Kevin Hogan dropped back from his own 43-yard line, it looks as easy as pitch and catch. He stood well-protected, a perfect pocket formed with just three Irish defenders rushing the passer, Notre Dame’s leading sacker didn’t chase after Hogan, but rather shadowed him—a 265-pound defensive end doing a linebackers job.

On time and on rhythm, the veteran quarterback hit his target in stride, a receiver breaking inside of a defensive back that was all but flat-footed to a vacancy of green grass so large that it would’ve cost millions in the Palo Alto neighborhood surrounding Stanford Stadium.

Few plays have the ability to crystalize a season. But Hogan to Devon Cajuste did just that—exploiting a defense that’s woeful inconsistency kept Notre Dame from having an opportunity to play for a national championship.

The natural reaction is to assign blame. Plenty of angry pitchforks surround defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder, the architect of a creaky house. Finishing up his second season in South Bend, the former NFL defensive coordinator hasn’t been able to elevate the play of a group that may very well be decimated by injury, but is still among the most talented we’ve seen over the last decade in South Bend.

But multiple factors go into the struggles of a defense that suffers from a multiple personality disorder. So let’s check into a Holiday Inn Express, throw on our lab coat, and do our best to diagnose the problems that have plagued the 2015 Irish defense.

WHAT’S THE PROBLEM?

On paper, Notre Dame’s 2015 defense doesn’t look like the flaming mess some are calling it. The Irish are giving up 22 points a game, a respectable 36th in the nation. They’re a middle of the pack unit stopping the run, perhaps explainable when you consider the two option teams on the schedule. They’re a Top 30 unit against the pass, likely buoyed by the same two opponents. The top line reveals a defense that’s roughly Top 40—not great, not horrible.

But it doesn’t take much of a deep dive to identify some of the critical problems. The Irish gave up big plays by the bushel. They were the ultimate boom-or-bust unit, one of the better teams at forcing three-and-outs, but also susceptible to giving up long touchdown drives. Over the last two seasons, Notre Dame has given up 53 touchdown drives of 70-yards or more, a staggering statistic dug out by Tim Prister at Irish Illustrated. Or approximately 52 more than they did in 2012.

The red zone was a similar horror show. Under Diaco, Notre Dame rarely gave up long touchdown drives and always seemed to stiffen near the goal line. The opposite has been true the past two seasons. This year, Notre Dame forced just three field goals in 34 red zone opportunities. That helps explain why the Irish are No. 21 when it comes to scoring percentage, but a staggering 103rd when it comes to giving up touchdowns.

The Irish won 10 football games this season, an important piece of the equation to remember as many kick dirt on a team that has a chance to win 11 games for just the second time since 1993. They’ll be doing it against one of the toughest schedules in the country and with a team that’s started 37 different players and lost two games against Top 10 competition by a combined four points.

But as Brian Kelly moves this program forward, it’s clear that while the offense has found a way to evolve and continue to produce even as injuries mount, the defense hasn’t. And that needs to change.

THE COORDINATOR

The struggles of this unit likely rest at the feet of VanGorder. Brought in to help Notre Dame take the next evolutionary step as a defense after Bob Diaco took over the UConn football program, VanGorder was billed as a teacher and developer of talent when Brian Kelly introduced him in January of 2014.

“The first thing I wanted in this position is a great teacher. I think first and foremost when you’re talking about the ability to bring together our defensive players, you need the ability to communicate and to teach, and Brian is one of the very best teachers, if not the best teacher, that I’ve ever been around, and I go way back with Brian,” Kelly said.

“I think the second thing that stands out is he understands player development, and so anyone that I want to be around on a day to day basis has to understand the important principles of player development in bringing them along and really understanding how important it is to get those traits out of our players. They’re not ready made. The players that we bring here to Notre Dame, we have to develop them, and not just on the football field, but off the field as well. Brian understands that.”

Through that lens, it’s hard to call the last two seasons successes. While VanGorder brought with him schemes and personnel groupings honed in the NFL, he hasn’t been able to get his team to fully comprehend the advanced calculus his schematics require. Even if VanGorder is the teacher that Kelly described, time constraints at the college level—not to mention the academic workloads Notre Dame student-athletes carry—have likely made it impossible for a complete understanding of what’s being asked. Twenty hours a week doesn’t give you the time to teach a system that requires NFL professionals to commit their livelihood to owning a system.

Kelly also praised VanGorder’s ability to develop players. That’s been a mixed bag. If you’re going to harp on certain players failing to live up to expectations, you need to acknowledge the ascent we’ve seen from others.

Sheldon Day and Romeo Okwara have both excelled under VanGorder. Jaylon Smith’s game has become more dynamic when not confined by Diaco’s difficult Dog linebacker requirements. Struggles with current safeties Max Redfield and Elijah Shumate have been consistent whether Diaco or VanGorder was coaching them and cornerbacks are more likely to be beat when you’re asking them to lock into man coverage as opposed to playing a Cover 2 zone.

VanGorder has shown himself capable of correcting issues. We saw that over the offseason when the Irish solved their issues against hurry-up attacks and implemented a system that allowed Notre Dame to successfully defend the triple-option run by Georgia Tech and Navy.

This offseason, the chalkboard has two very large objectives that need cleaning up: Big play prevention and red zone struggles. And those issues require a great deal more introspection than the challenges exposed by Larry Fedora or Ken Niumatalolo.

THE PERSONNEL

While there is plenty of talent on Notre Dame’s defense, personnel limitations can’t be discounted. That Devon Cajuste found his way between an undersized, in-the-box middle linebacker and defensive back who would’ve been the third choice for the role had the secondary been moderately healthy deserves mention. In a perfect world, neither Joe Schmidt nor Matthias Farley are on the field in end of game situations. A week earlier, Farley might not have been, and had Drue Tranquill not torn his ACL, Schmidt might not have been, either.

Notre Dame’s defensive personnel is still a work in progress. Trapped in that awkward phase between Bob Diaco’s physical 3-4 personnel and VanGorder’s scheme that sacrifices size for athleticism, the Irish were doomed by roster deficiencies that only became over-exposed once injuries hit.

Utilizing College Football Focus’s player evaluation tools, it’s simple to see that while Notre Dame’s offensive personnel can be viewed among the elite of college football, there’s still a long way to go for the defense. That’s clear when you look at the uniform grading system that CFF/PFF uses to breakdown every snap of ever game played in college football.

Only Sheldon Day and Jaylon Smith were elite players. Both played like stars this season. Day ranks as the No. 1 4-3 defensive tackle in the country in terms of overall grading. Smith grades out as the No. 3 OLB in a 4-3 system in the country. But from there, the defensive struggles show clearly, especially when you look at defenders with negative grades that were forced to play significant snaps.

Of the top six teams in the current College Football Playoff rankings, Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma, Iowa, Michigan State and Ohio State have a total of five players who have played 300 snaps with a negative CFF rating. Notre Dame has six.

You’d suspect some of the names on that list—Joe Schmidt, Elijah Shumate, true freshman defensive tackle Jerry Tillery. Others you would not—seniors Matthias Farley and KeiVarae Russell. Game-specific deficiencies CFF picked up make sense from 30,000 feet. Max Redfield’s struggles as a run defender have been often discussed, same with Schmidt and Shumate’s difficulties in coverage.

Many thought Jarron Jones’ preseason injury was the biggest loss of the season. But the Irish defense might have been undone by the injuries to Shaun Crawford and safety Drue Tranquill.

Notre Dame’s ability to be multiple was lost when those two defenders went down. So much of what VanGorder wanted to do against the pass was lost when Crawford couldn’t play nickelback. Same for Tranquill’s injury, robbing the Irish not just of a perfect hybrid player who could excel on third down, but also taking away the ability of the defense to play Smith in the middle of the field on passing downs—essentially limiting his impact as a coverman and interior blitzer. Schmidt came within steps of a half-dozen sacks as he blitzed up the A-gap. Smith’s explosiveness would’ve likely turned many of those into big plays.

VanGorder has changed the way Notre Dame has recruited the defensive side of the ball. Gone are some of the hard-and-firm prototypes that Diaco demanded when looking for players. Those changes have built the Irish roster for the future.

But in addition to the injuries, roster attrition hasn’t allowed reinforcements to hit the field, players like Kolin Hill, Jhonny Williams and Bo Wallace gone before having a chance to impact the team in situational jobs. That’s forced some legacy personnel into jobs that were tailored for a different type of football player.

MOVING FORWARD

Notre Dame’s success this season has elevated expectations for the future. But to play up to them, VanGorder and Kelly will need to recalibrate how they approach defending opponents.

Moving forward without Schmidt as the nerve center is one thing. The reality that Jaylon Smith is likely joining Sheldon Day in the NFL Draft is another, with significant personnel hits likely to be taken. Yet the Irish are well-equipped with the athleticism needed to fill those holes, even if we might not see another linebacker like Smith wearing a Notre Dame jersey for many years to come.

But without a simplified scheme, personnel advancements will only do so much. Elite athletes become ordinary very quickly if they don’t fully grasp their jobs. And a scheme that forces 11 players to defend without a safety net is a flaw in the foundation of the system.

One man missing a tackle can’t result in a 30-yard gain, like we saw so many times this season. Exotic schemes that force a linebacker to sprint into coverage for the sake of surprise does little when an opponent’s counter-punch exposes your own vulnerabilities.

Kelly and VanGorder know these things, of course. And as the coaching staff spends the offseason analyzing their strengths and weaknesses, there’s a very high likelihood that Kelly still comes out with the same answer he gave a few weeks back when asked why his defense was giving up long touchdown drives and big plays.

“I still think it’s personnel-driven. You’re still looking at who you’re putting on the field,” Kelly said. “I think Brian has brought the kind of pressure and aggressive defensive play that we’re looking for in a transition. We’re still evolving defensively. We’re still working to build our defense. We’re not there yet, clearly… We’re going to get better as we continue to recruit and develop our defense.”

The future of the program depends on it.
 

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Van Gorder is a gangsta....or needs to take a hike?

Van Gorder is a gangsta....or needs to take a hike?

Saw some talk about Richt potentially being interested in BVG for Miami DC. Would that move break anyone's heart if it happened?


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adjustments needed to solve <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> defensive woes <a href="https://t.co/J7fC3t6mNc">https://t.co/J7fC3t6mNc</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ToryanSmith49">@ToryanSmith49</a> <a href="https://t.co/FnLaq5O0Ks">pic.twitter.com/FnLaq5O0Ks</a></p>— Irish247 (@NotreDame247) <a href="https://twitter.com/NotreDame247/status/672814541466705920">December 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame CBs on targets 15+ yds downfield
K.Russell - 14 rec allowed in 29 targets
C.Luke - 7 rec allowed on 27 targets</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/672476971356450817">December 3, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Numbers tell a different story...It was worse than even these numbers. I'd rather have someone tell me how many times they were the reason the pass was incomplete.

This gives them credit for things they did not do...cole luke had people behind him with a step WAY more than 7 times. Same with Russel...their coverage was CHRONICALLY poor.

drops, bad throws...I'm not giving them credit for any of that.

In the film room...I'm guessing they got mauled more than these numbers would indicate
 

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I still think BVG called all hands on deck to stop McCaffery. Hogan has choked all career under pressure....except again ND. Hogan won the game for them
 

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I still think BVG called all hands on deck to stop McCaffery. Hogan has choked all career under pressure....except again ND. Hogan won the game for them

Maybe. Maybe not. What was his excuse for the final pass of the game?
 
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OFD just published an advanced statistical breakdown of our 2015 defense. The formatting doesn't lend itself to being reproduced here, but it's well worth a read.

"Defense wins championships" - not untrue this season, as all four playoff teams feature top-15 defenses according to both S&P+ and FEI. The outliers here are the Irish and the Cardinal, who made it into this top group by virtue of extremely efficient and balanced offenses. Even if a few plays go the other way and Notre Dame had made the playoff, looking at this table shows you why Notre Dame probably would have had the lowest chance of winning it all according to advanced stats (and Vegas). The Irish defense would have been by the worst single unit in the playoff, and that would have placed such an extremely high bar for the offense to hit (against excellent defenses) to have a chance to win consecutive games.

Overall both FEI and S&P+ paint a picture of a defense that's not all that far away from being a top 15-25 defense. Notre Dame's opponent-adjusted success rate (25th) is awfully close to some of the country's top defenses - Florida State (27th), Michigan State (21st), and Washington (23rd, and yes the Huskies defense flew under the radar but was extremely good this year). The difference between the Irish and those teams is the explosive plays given up when they did allow success - those teams rank 5th, 11th, and 14th respectively in limiting explosive plays, while the Irish rank 52nd.
Sums it up this year for me.
 

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If we were generating more TO's it would be easier to justify but since we are not, its pretty tough to do. I feel pretty confident that Kelly will be on top of this and hopefully he reigns in BVG to some degree.
 

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Good read! Thanks, Whiskey!

as Cack says, "sums it up."

Defense wasn't awful but certainly wasnt where it should be or needed to be.

We have some positions to fill for next year but I am confident the guys to do it are on the team (or will be).

This D can make the jump to the next level (Top 25) which will be plenty with the offense we will be rolling out, as outlined in article above. Our D didnt need to be top 10 and it still doesnt.
 

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Good read! Thanks, Whiskey!

as Cack says, "sums it up."

Defense wasn't awful but certainly wasnt where it should be or needed to be.

We have some positions to fill for next year but I am confident the guys to do it are on the team (or will be).

This D can make the jump to the next level (Top 25) which will be plenty with the offense we will be rolling out, as outlined in article above. Our D didnt need to be top 10 and it still doesnt.

Actually, yes it does need a Top Ten OVERALL defense. If it were Top Ten OVERALL, we are #1 and unbeaten and unquestioned as the #1 team/seed in the playoff.

https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1600074
 

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Actually, yes it does need a Top Ten OVERALL defense. If it were Top Ten OVERALL, we are #1 and unbeaten and unquestioned as the #1 team/seed in the playoff.

https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1600074

I think your defense will be fine if they rank out in the top 20-25 range. But it has to become an opportunistic defense as well as not giving up the big play as mentioned already. Third down defense was solid... just got to win more of them battles on first and second down.
 

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I think your defense will be fine if they rank out in the top 20-25 range. But it has to become an opportunistic defense as well as not giving up the big play as mentioned already. Third down defense was solid... just got to win more of them battles on first and second down.

Hence a Top Ten OVERALL defense. If they are not in that range, then they will be beaten as many times as they were this year.

The 88 was opportunistic as hell, but they also were not nearly as prone to giving up the big play in big games either. In fact, they were aggressive on both sides of the ball and had a particularly strong ST unit as well.

Without a Top Ten OVERALL defense, ND will never be a real threat. They have the explosive offense, so let's not sabotage it by not being able to tackle, force TOs or get to the QB, and give up the most inopportune chunk plays.

A Top Ten OVERALL defense does not allow that, and we were creating actual offensive chaos and generating TOs at a great rate, then the D would not be the unit holding us back.

Kelly and BVG really need to think about their defensive approach for next year, because this approach is clearly not good enough.
 

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Hence a Top Ten OVERALL defense. If they are not in that range, then they will be beaten as many times as they were this year.

The 88 was opportunistic as hell, but they also were not nearly as prone to giving up the big play in big games either. In fact, they were aggressive on both sides of the ball and had a particularly strong ST unit as well.

Without a Top Ten OVERALL defense, ND will never be a real threat. They have the explosive offense, so let's not sabotage it by not being able to tackle, force TOs or get to the QB, and give up the most inopportune chunk plays.

A Top Ten OVERALL defense does not allow that, and we were creating actual offensive chaos and generating TOs at a great rate, then the D would not be the unit holding us back.

Kelly and BVG really need to think about their defensive approach for next year, because this approach is clearly not good enough.

Good enough for what? For your seriously over inflated, unrealistic expectations? Or good enough to be successful? Because Team 127 had a very successful regular season.
 

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Hence a Top Ten OVERALL defense. If they are not in that range, then they will be beaten as many times as they were this year.

The 88 was opportunistic as hell, but they also were not nearly as prone to giving up the big play in big games either. In fact, they were aggressive on both sides of the ball and had a particularly strong ST unit as well.

Without a Top Ten OVERALL defense, ND will never be a real threat. They have the explosive offense, so let's not sabotage it by not being able to tackle, force TOs or get to the QB, and give up the most inopportune chunk plays.

A Top Ten OVERALL defense does not allow that, and we were creating actual offensive chaos and generating TOs at a great rate, then the D would not be the unit holding us back.

Kelly and BVG really need to think about their defensive approach for next year, because this approach is clearly not good enough.

5 of the top 8 teams didn't have a "Top Ten OVERALL" defense.

Your posts are getting progressively worse.
 

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Actually, yes it does need a Top Ten OVERALL defense. If it were Top Ten OVERALL, we are #1 and unbeaten and unquestioned as the #1 team/seed in the playoff.

https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1600074

No, we don't need a top 10 defense. We need something in the top 25 as other posters have mentioned. If we had that this year, we would've likely been #1 as we'd still be undefeated.

A top 10 defense would be great but with the offensive firepower we saw, we only needed a top 25 defense to win all of our games.

It's TBD what we need next year but it isn't unrealistic or too big of a request to field a top 25 defense coupled with Kelly's offense. Sure, if we go back to a 2012 offense then we need a top 5 defense to stay undefeated but I don't believe we are headed back down that road.

Kelly appears to finally have this offense set up and running with the correct players and blueprint. We were still fairly young on offense this last year so let's hope even if we lose Fuller, we see similar offensive production.

Then once again, all we need a is a top 25 defense to be in the playoffs.

We have a whole offseason to argue everything else.
 
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