BVG Fired

[GoldenToTheGrave]

If Nyles tackles like he tackled that defender on the punt return where he got the penalty we'll be fine

Oh god, I almost forgot about that. Literally watching saying "please no block in the back", and he goes ahead and does it.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Don Brown (Boston College DC) runs a pretty aggressive defense. They attack, stop the run, and get lots of TFL. Pretty much all the goals of a BVG defense.

They do this with less "talent" than ND and without the coverage breakdowns. So...

Very true.

I know that BVG should probably get another year, but even Phil Snow from Temple showed much more with less. We got over 450 yds, but it was a low for points, and they were aggressive. I'd be happy with breaking that tree away from the branch (Rhule coached under Snow at UCLA).

 

[GoldenDomer]

With Richt out at UGA, Pruitt may be on the market...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Van Gorder is a gangsta....or needs to take a hike?

Van Gorder is a gangsta....or needs to take a hike?

With Richt out at UGA, Pruitt may be on the market...

Isn't he the dirtbag that was having affairs/creating drama at FSU, which is a feat in itself?

 

[PANDFAN]

Isn't he the dirtbag that was having affairs/creating drama at FSU, which is a feat in itself?

yes

 

[dmort]

I would like to keep BVG but add some younger coaches that might be available,due to changes at Georgia and VT.We most definitely need to improve the talent in our defensive backs.Tackeling has been horrid most of the season.

 

[kmoose]

I would like to keep BVG but add some younger coaches that might be available,due to changes at Georgia and VT.We most definitely need to improve the talent in our defensive backs.Tackeling has been horrid most of the season.

You mean like the young coach that we brought in, just this past year, to coach the defensive backs?

 

[Wingman Ray]

Very true.

I know that BVG should probably get another year, but even Phil Snow from Temple showed much more with less. We got over 450 yds, but it was a low for points, and they were aggressive. I'd be happy with breaking that tree away from the branch (Rhule coached under Snow at UCLA).

If you are okay with BVG getting another year, then you better be okay with having another heartburn season. The problem isnt the offense, it is the defense.

24 friggin drives of 75 yards. That is like a bad high school team.

Since the defense is clearly so complicated that the least athletic player on the team needs to start over a 4 star LB yet clearly every OC can figure out how to beat it, how do you think it will do next year without Joe calling the shots?

 

[Black Irish]

If you are okay with BVG getting another year, then you better be okay with having another heartburn season. The problem isnt the offense, it is the defense.

24 friggin drives of 75 yards. That is like a bad high school team.

Since the defense is clearly so complicated that the least athletic player on the team needs to start over a 4 star LB yet clearly every OC can figure out how to beat it, how do you think it will do next year without Joe calling the shots?

I don't know if BVG needs to go, but this is a good point.

 

[NDdomer2]

Diacos Defense made its biggest leap in its third year (2012).

One of Kelly's big "mantra's" back them was about teaching with consistency of message.

Our total D final standing went 50th, 30th, 7th. (His 2013 D was 31st) Avg: 29.5

Vangorder' defense's in his first two years: 71st, and 39th through end of regular season. Avg: 55 (Diacos 2 year avg was 40)

His first year was an extremely young group that got ravahed by injuries late. This year was frustrating but also included losses (season or game at some point) of Jarron Jones, Shaun Crawford, Drue Tranquill, KVR, James Onwualu, and Daniel Cage. (I left Avery Sebastian off this but could be added)

While I don't see our defense making a jump into top 10 like they did in 2012. I do think they could be a top 25 unit.

Both years the D has played better than their final standings when healthy.

All things considered with what should be a very good offense and we are going to be tough to beat.

 

[anarin]

Diacos Defense made its biggest leap in its third year (2012).

One of Kelly's big "mantra's" back them was about teaching with consistency of message.

Our total D final standing went 50th, 30th, 7th. (His 2013 D was 31st) Avg: 29.5

Vangorder' defense's in his first two years: 71st, and 39th through end of regular season. Avg: 55 (Diacos 2 year avg was 40)

His first year was an extremely young group that got ravahed by injuries late. This year was frustrating but also included losses (season or game at some point) of Jarron Jones, Shaun Crawford, Drue Tranquill, KVR, James Onwualu, and Daniel Cage. (I left Avery Sebastian off this but could be added)

While I don't see our defense making a jump into top 10 like they did in 2012. I do think they could be a top 25 unit.

Both years the D has played better than their final standings when healthy.

All things considered with what should be a very good offense and we are going to be tough to beat.

I like the optimistic outlook. You have to figure that BVG is coordinating for his job next season. I think it has to do with more of the players skills than the defense in place, and while I love an aggressive attacking defense, this isn't NFL. I think his style is suited more for the pro game.

But don't get me confused with one of these "the sky is falling" guys, I like BVG and I'm hopeful that they take another step next season towards consistency.

 

[NDdomer2]

I like the optimistic outlook. You have to figure that BVG is coordinating for his job next season. I think it has to do with more of the players skills than the defense in place, and while I love an aggressive attacking defense, this isn't NFL. I think his style is suited more for the pro game.

But don't get me confused with one of these "the sky is falling" guys, I like BVG and I'm hopeful that they take another step next season towards consistency.

If his D doesn't make another jump I absolutely agree that a new DC needs to be considered. An average top 50 unit isn't acceptable.

I don't know if ND can field a consistent top 10 D. But if we can field a top 25 unit every year we are going to continue to win/be in position to win a lot of games. Just like we were this year.

I don't think it's out of realm of possibility that if this year's D was say 25th instead of 39th that we are undefeated.

 

[dang227]

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[Irish YJ]

At the end of the day, we need a top 25 D.
We are 43rd total right now. 31 passing, 65 rushing. 36 scoring, and 51 efficiency.

I think he gets another year, but not much more.

I just hope he can dumb it down. Our academic standards do impact our ability here, but I do think we can expect better.

 

[CIrishWin]

Do you think it is more of the talent he has. Another d-line coach was hired because we were getting no production there it is the 3 star lineman that we have to coach up and pressure makes the secondary look better. i am concerned with the fact our safetys always look lost. The guy can coach defense.

In 2001 he was hired as defensive coordinator and linebackers coach for the University of Georgia Bulldogs. During his first year as defensive coordinator in 2001, the Bulldogs allowed just 18.9 points per game, ended up fifth in rushing defense and ranked 17th in scoring defense.The 2002 season saw VanGorder's defense not only lead the SEC in scoring defense, but finished fourth nationally. The Bulldogs allowed less than 15 points per game during the season on their way to eventually winning the Sugar Bowl and finishing third in the final national poll. For his performance, VanGorder named as the seventh recipient of the Valvoline Southern Sports Tonight Assistant Coach of the Year.

In 2003, VanGorder's defense ranked third nationally in scoring defense, fourth in total defense and sixth in passing defense.In turn, VanGorder received the Frank Boyles "Assistant Coach of the Year" award, which honors the nation's top assistant coach. During his final season at Georgia in 2004, the 10–2 Bulldogs were ranked seventh in the final national poll as VanGorder's defense finished the season ranked eighth and ninth in scoring defense.

I think you also have to look at we were a 3-4 going to a 4-3 were looking for different types of d-ends and linebackers now. If nothing changes next year (and we are healthy) then i would look at maybe making a change.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Does anyone really believe that 1) he dumbs down his system and 2) this defense will be better w/o Jaylon, Day, Okwara, Shumate, and Russell? Not to mention his glorified "on-the-field coach" Schmidt.

My best guess as of now:

DL: DE*, Rochelle, Cage, Tillery (*Trumbetti maybe?)
LB: Onwualu, Martini, Morgan, Coney
Corner: Crawford, Luke
Safety: Redfield, S* (*I honestly don't know...Mykelti Williams maybe?)

Are those your regulars? Pretty solid lineup. Talent-wise, looks like a potential Top 25 defense...but on paper, they basically had the same thing this year, no?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Does anyone really believe that 1) he dumbs down his system and 2) this defense will be better w/o Jaylon, Day, Okwara, Shumate, and Russell? Not to mention his glorified "on-the-field coach" Schmidt.

My best guess as of now:

DL: DE*, Rochelle, Cage, Tillery (*Trumbetti maybe?)
LB: Onwualu, Martini, Morgan, Coney
Corner: Crawford, Luke
Safety: Redfield, S* (*I honestly don't know...Mykelti Williams maybe?)

Are those your regulars? Pretty solid lineup. Talent-wise, looks like a potential Top 25 defense...but on paper, they basically had the same thing this year, no?

You did forget about Jarron.

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[NDohio]

Does anyone really believe that 1) he dumbs down his system and 2) this defense will be better w/o Jaylon, Day, Okwara, Shumate, and Russell? Not to mention his glorified "on-the-field coach" Schmidt.

My best guess as of now:

DL: DE*, Rochelle, Cage, Tillery (*Trumbetti maybe?)
LB: Onwualu, Martini, Morgan, Coney
Corner: Crawford, Luke
Safety: Redfield, S* (*I honestly don't know...Mykelti Williams maybe?)

Are those your regulars? Pretty solid lineup. Talent-wise, looks like a potential Top 25 defense...but on paper, they basically had the same thing this year, no?

Sebastian?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

36th in scoring defense
65th in rush defense
28th in pass defense
39th in total defense
78th in sacks
49th in TFL
19th in 3rd Down conversion
21st in Total Red Zone Scoring defense
103rd in Red Zone TD% defense
94th in INT
109th in Fumbles Recovered (forced 15, recovered 5)

Glaring stats: This defense sucked when it mattered most (Red Zone TD%) and they sucked at forcing turnovers. And they sucked at giving up the huge play. The 3rd down conversion rate seemed odd to me. Were they that good? Seemed like they had trouble getting off the field at times, leading to those long 75+ yard scoring drives by opponents. Stat doesn't lie, I just found it odd. You wouldn't think those two would go together.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You did forget about Jarron.

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True. Thanks.

I was basically just spit balling to make a point. The defense, on paper, will be uber talented again. Will the results be the same? I'm just not convinced BVG is the answer. Maybe year three will help. Maybe another year of recruiting and development will help. Idk.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Does anyone really believe that 1) he dumbs down his system and 2) this defense will be better w/o Jaylon, Day, Okwara, Shumate, and Russell? Not to mention his glorified "on-the-field coach" Schmidt.

My best guess as of now:

DL: DE*, Rochelle, Cage, Tillery (*Trumbetti maybe?)
LB: Onwualu, Martini, Morgan, Coney
Corner: Crawford, Luke
Safety: Redfield, S* (*I honestly don't know...Mykelti Williams maybe?)

Are those your regulars? Pretty solid lineup. Talent-wise, looks like a potential Top 25 defense...but on paper, they basically had the same thing this year, no?

You did forget about Jarron.

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I'll say this: BVG did not earn his paycheck this year outside of containing Clemson in inclement weather and shutting down the triple option attacks we saw from Ga Tech and Navy (and giving him credit for the latter may be generous).

Losing Jaylon is a monster loss but we have a lot of recruited talent on this team and we have another quality class joining this spring/summer. If we can't put together a top 25 defense (and that's not asking too much), BVG needs to find another place to coach. His attacking scheme results in too much vulnerability without the payoff of TFL and TOs.

Going back to the starting line-up, let's look at our options on defense not including the incoming freshman class:

DE: Trumbetti, Rochell, Blankenship, Hayes?, Bonner?, Randolph,
DT: J. Jones, Cage, Tillery, Mokwuah, Dew-Treadway, Matuska, Tiassum, Elijah Taylor
LB: N. Morgan, Bilal, Coney, Onwualu, Martini, Barajas, (thin here but the freshman class will hopefully include some contributors)
CB: KVR possibly 30/70, Watkins, Butler, Luke, Crawford, Coleman,
S: White, M. Williams, Fertitta, Tranquil, Sebastian, Redfield

We are thin at safety and LB but we have a load of talent on this roster and a lot more top talent coming in. This class looks like it could finish in the top 10-15.

There are not 25 teams with more talent on their defensive roster. I believe we'll put up points in batches next year but we need to have a competent and aggressive 2-deep to make us a playoff contender. We can't waste this talent now that we have two QBs who can lead the team.

 

[Irishman77]

ISD power hour had some good commentary on BVG and how they can't even tell what coverage we are in most of the time.

I doubt BVG leaves but would welcome a change and have someone let these kids play football..enough nuclear physics!

 

[koonja]

ISD has been complaining about Schmidt and BVG every week since like week 6. I've listened to each of their power hours since that week.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Glaring stats: This defense sucked when it mattered most (Red Zone TD%) and they sucked at forcing turnovers. And they sucked at giving up the huge play. The 3rd down conversion rate seemed odd to me. Were they that good? Seemed like they had trouble getting off the field at times, leading to those long 75+ yard scoring drives by opponents. Stat doesn't lie, I just found it odd. You wouldn't think those two would go together.

That was the only upside to BvG's aggressive scheme. When the pressure was working, it lead to a lot of 3-and-outs. But it somehow failed to generate many TOs (probably because he was already asking too much of a beleaguered secondary), and gave up a huge number of explosive plays.

I'm with Sampson on this. Despite the injuries on their side of the ball, Sanford and BK fielded one of the best offenses in the country. All we needed from BvG was "good", and he had more than enough NFL-caliber talent to make that happen. Instead, his scheme cost us a spot in the playoff.

 

[Luckylucci]

That was the only upside to BvG's aggressive scheme. When the pressure was working, it lead to a lot of 3-and-outs. But it somehow failed to generate many TOs (probably because he was already asking too much of a beleaguered secondary), and gave up a huge number of explosive plays.

I'm with Sampson on this. Despite the injuries on their side of the ball, Sanford and BK fielded one of the best offenses in the country. All we needed from BvG was "good", and he had more than enough NFL-caliber talent to make that happen. Instead, his scheme cost us a spot in the playoff.

100%

 

[NDRock]

36th in scoring defense

Glaring stats: This defense sucked when it mattered most (Red Zone TD%) and they sucked at forcing turnovers. And they sucked at giving up the huge play. The 3rd down conversion rate seemed odd to me. Were they that good? Seemed like they had trouble getting off the field at times, leading to those long 75+ yard scoring drives by opponents. Stat doesn't lie, I just found it odd. You wouldn't think those two would go together.

Going off of memory, we really shut out the two option teams this year especially on 3rd downs. That is one positive of the D this year, BVG seems to have figured out the option.

It is ironic that this thread was started after a win against Stanford when our D held on to win the game by blitzing.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'd add that another great point from that article is the illustration of how bad some of those offenses were that we were playing against. 5 of them outside the top 80 nationally.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

That was the only upside to BvG's aggressive scheme. When the pressure was working, it lead to a lot of 3-and-outs. But it somehow failed to generate many TOs (probably because he was already asking too much of a beleaguered secondary), and gave up a huge number of explosive plays.

I'm with Sampson on this. Despite the injuries on their side of the ball, Sanford and BK fielded one of the best offenses in the country. All we needed from BvG was "good", and he had more than enough NFL-caliber talent to make that happen. Instead, his scheme cost us a spot in the playoff.

Strict bump-and-run coverage means that DB's aren't able to read the QB much. Also in a blitz heavy scheme, most QB's know that they have to get rid of the ball quickly, so a lot of throwaways. Strip sacks tend to happen more when there's someone who gets beat in pass protection rather than the free rusher, and we are lacking in the edge rush department.

Rex Ryan's (BVG's mentor) defenses were never know for creating a lot of turnovers either.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Going off of memory, we really shut out the two option teams this year especially on 3rd downs. That is one positive of the D this year, BVG seems to have figured out the option.

I'm not inclined to credit BvG for that. The obvious difference in our effectiveness against the triple option between last year and this year is that Bob Elliott moved into a back office position and spent a ton of time figuring out how to scheme against it.

 

[NDRock]

I'm not inclined to credit BvG for that. The obvious difference in our effectiveness against the triple option between last year and this year is that Bob Elliott moved into a back office position and spent a ton of time figuring out how to scheme against it.

Elliot seemed to have an impact but BVG and staff still had to implement the game plan and get the player's to execute it. I can't bash him for a poor defensive effort and then not give him credit when the D played well.