ND Scheduled Georgia (Ironman leaving the Country during 2019)

[irishog77]

I'm also of the belief that SoS won't matter as much as some claim. I'll believe it when I see it.

I think the more likely scenario is for coaches to keep voting themselves and their conference artificially high*, coaches to increase their politicking, and for "writers" and "media types" to further push their own or their own team's agenda. I believe all this will happen much, much sooner and with more veracity than teams scheduling up.

* Yes, supposedly the selection committee will make their own decisions. But try convincing me that members (Condeleza Rice, anyone, to single one voter out) won't use polls when they make their own decisions. Yeah, I buy them making "their own decisions" as much as I buy into John Travolta having a "misunderstanding" with his male masseuse.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I dont think so. Their BCS ranking was poor for such a highly ranked team. They had like an 80th ranked SOS. The computers hated them IIRC. Everyone knew that was an inflated 12-0 record they had.

So, you would have had who ahead of them at that point? Auburn, FSU then.....??? Bama would probably be one, but that I am really struggling to know who else would have gotten that final spot over a 13-0 OSU team.

 

[ACamp1900]

12-0 teams certainly wont be, but there are 10 or more 11 wins teams every single year. All of them will want one of the remaining 2-3 spots. Why do we deserve better when those teams all won championship games? Well, our argument will be SoS, which means, are SoS better damn well be better.

Which it already is like every damn year... ND does not need to strengthen the schedule. These comparriosns to tOSU and the like... when has ND ever played a schedule that ranked in the bottom half of the country??? I honestly don't remember that ever happening. Besides, playing 6 top ten teams a year will make vying for a playoff spot a completely moot point anyway…

 

[ACamp1900]

I dont think so. Their BCS ranking was poor for such a highly ranked team. They had like an 80th ranked SOS. The computers hated them IIRC. Everyone knew that was an inflated 12-0 record they had.

Wat, you honestly believe Ohio State... going unbeaten, wouldn't have been in the top four under the new system???

Really?

non-starter. LOL...

Seriously, we are like on other planets on this one.

 

[woolybug25]

Which it already is like every damn year... ND does not need to strengthen the schedule. These comparriosns to tOSU and the like... when has ND ever played a schedule that ranked in the bottom half of the country??? I honestly don't remember that ever happening. Besides, playing 6 top ten teams year year will make vying for a playoff spot a completely moot point anyway…

We're not asking them to!!!

We played 5 marquee teams last year. We lose Michigan and OU. Why can we replace one of them with Georgia?

 

[Ndaccountant]

That's the whole point! You don't know how good teams will be, but you DO know that you need a strong schedule. So why not make the smart play and add Georgia? Sure it's a tough game, but it's better than adding a game that will do nothing to enhance the schedule.

I'm going to fondly remember this thread in 2018 when Georgia is 6-6, Stanford is back to "they have a football team?" status, Florida State is coming off of a 2-10 season, and Duke has won it's third national title in a row.

For the record, I am fine with adding UGA so long as it keeps MSU off the schedule. I would not want to have both of them on the schedule, along with USC, Stanford and ACC1/2.

 

[woolybug25]

Wat, you honestly believe Ohio State... going unbeaten, wouldn't have been in the top four under the new system???

Really?

non-starter. LOL...

Seriously, we are like on other planets on this one.

I did. See my post above. More argument for why we need to add teams like Georgia, Texas, etc to future schedules. We have to schedule enough marquee programs to guarantee that we end up playing 3 quality opponents. Ohio State did that by playing a championship game. Something we do not have.

 

[Ndaccountant]

We're not asking them to!!!

We played 5 marquee teams last year. We lose Michigan and OU. Why can we replace one of them with Georgia?

I think we can, but only if one of Clemson, VT, FSU are on the ACC slate.

Now, it becomes even more viable if MSU is off the schedule then as well, which means two of the above teams could be on the schedule and have it be comparable to 2013, IMO.

 

[Rocket89]

We're not asking them to!!!

We played 5 marquee teams last year. We lose Michigan and OU. Why can we replace one of them with Georgia?

Yeah this isn't sinking in for some people. We need a certain amount of top teams every year. We're adding Georgia to 2 future schedules that are far from finished yet.

 

[woolybug25]

I think we can, but only if one of Clemson, VT, FSU are on the ACC slate.

Now, it becomes even more viable if MSU is off the schedule then as well, which means two of the above teams could be on the schedule and have it be comparable to 2013, IMO.

I want a minimum of 5 marquee programs on the schedule. Statistically, that's 3-4 top teams. The same amount that conferences play when you add in the conference championship. Since we don't play a championship, we need that extra opponent to make sure we have the opportunity to win 2-3 defining games.

That's all. No one is asking for us to play a top 25 team every week.

 

[dshans]

This is another "que sera, sera" moment for me. Whether old timey Bowl Game selection results, BCS Bullshit results or playoff (restricted to 4 or not), I would prefer to see ND face off against the best of the best during the season.

It reflects its academic attitude. We may not be the best year in and year out, but there is always that goal.

Keep the faith, baby!

Being anointed the best by infidels is not nearly as important as being the best.

All the numeric bragging rights aside.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I want a minimum of 5 marquee programs on the schedule. Statistically, that's 3-4 top teams. The same amount that conferences play when you add in the conference championship. Since we don't play a championship, we need that extra opponent to make sure we have the opportunity to win 2-3 defining games.

That's all. No one is asking for us to play a top 25 team every week.

So, to be clear, my assumption was that we played the following:

UGA
USC
FSU
VT
Stanford

That would mean no MSU or Clemson or Miami. I am okay with this.

 

[Rocket89]

So, to be clear, my assumption was that we played the following:

UGA
USC
FSU
VT
Stanford

That would mean no MSU or Clemson or Miami. I am okay with this.

And assuming Stanford is still a top team (debatable) this is what the top end of our schedule is going to look like for the foreseeable future.

It's strong because it needs to be. But it's not insane.

EDIT: Which means, every 2-3 years we're going to be signing a series with a top 30-ish program to solidify the future.

 

[gkIrish]

We're not asking them to!!!

We played 5 marquee teams last year. We lose Michigan and OU. Why can we replace one of them with Georgia?

And we lost 4 games!!!

 

[Ndaccountant]

And assuming Stanford is still a top team (debatable) this is what the top end of our schedule is going to look like for the foreseeable future.

It's strong because it needs to be. But it's not insane.

I agree with you on Stanford, but since they were counted as a marquee game in 2013, I wanted to include them in mine for comparability.

 

[ACamp1900]

And we lost 4 games!!!

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[Ndaccountant]

And we lost 4 games!!!

To be fair, I think that had more to do with injury and suspension than strength of schedule.

 

[woolybug25]

So, to be clear, my assumption was that we played the following:

UGA
USC
FSU
VT
Stanford

That would mean no MSU or Clemson or Miami. I am okay with this.

Yeah, sorta. FSU and VT could possibly be substituted for no better than Clemson. Depends on the rotation of the ACC, but it tentatively cannot be Miami, since they are on the '16 & '17 schedule.

So that is five "big names". Statistically speaking, only three of them will be good in that given year. Worst case scenario, they are all good. In which case, we could go 11-1 and still get into the playoffs, but our chances of going 12-0 are less.

 

[Rocket89]

And we lost 4 games!!!

Because we weren't good enough! Scheduling an extra win or two is BS.

 

[Cackalacky]

Wat, you honestly believe Ohio State... going unbeaten, wouldn't have been in the top four under the new system???

Really?

non-starter. LOL...

Seriously, we are like on other planets on this one.

OSU was ranked 7th in BCS computer polls heading into the game against MSU. The only love was from the coaches (who should not vote) and the media element. They played a terribly weak schedule and the only power teams they played, they lost. Yes I think that a selection committee would see that....

 

[ACamp1900]

So, to be clear, my assumption was that we played the following:

UGA
USC
FSU
VT
Stanford

That would mean no MSU or Clemson or Miami. I am okay with this.

But, it almost certainly won't mean that. ND would have at least a couple, if not more, schools of that caliber on teh schedule also... I don't see that as a recipe for success for any school. just me.

 

[woolybug25]

And we lost 4 games!!!

and we weren't good enough to be in the playoffs!!!

 

[gkIrish]

To be fair, I think that had more to do with injury and suspension than strength of schedule.

I know...I'm just saying

 

[woolybug25]

But, it almost certainly won't mean that. ND would have at least a couple, if not more, schools of that caliber on teh schedule also... I don't see that as a recipe for success for any school. just me.

You are thinking of prior schedules. Go look at our future schedules and see how they are playing out.

5 marquee names. That's what we need.

People are forgetting that we tied ourselves to the ACC with this type of scheduling in mind.

 

[gkIrish]

and we weren't good enough to be in the playoffs!!!

Because we weren't good enough! Scheduling an extra win or two is BS.

Just tweaking you guys. I'm off to Tanaka's first start at the Stadium so I'm out for now.

 

[ACamp1900]

OSU was ranked 7th in BCS computer polls headinto the gmae against MSU. The only love was from the coaches (who should not vote) and the media element. They played a terribly weak schedule and the only power teams they played, they lost. Yes I think that a selection committee would see that....

and you don't think a win there would have put them in?... let's be real, this playoff BS isn't about 'real champions' it's about money... the day an unbeaten tOSU, ND, Bama, SC, any 'name program' is kept out of the playoff for any reason other than sanctions is never coming... ever.

 

[Ndaccountant]

But, it almost certainly won't mean that. ND would have at least a couple, if not more, schools of that caliber on teh schedule also... I don't see that as a recipe for success for any school. just me.

Just curious, but what other schools would be on that caliber? In any given year, I could see UNC or someone being better than VT. But, that is no different than today when ASU may or may not be better than Michigan.

 

[ACamp1900]

You are thinking of prior schedules. Go look at our future schedules and see how they are playing out.

5 marquee names. That's what we need.

People are forgetting that we tied ourselves to the ACC with this type of scheduling in mind.

Then add six complete cupcakes around those marquees, then I'll buy in.

 

[Cackalacky]

and you don't think a win there would have put them in?... let's be real, this playoff BS isn't about 'real champions' it's about money... the day an unbeaten tOSU, ND, Bama, SC, any 'name program' is kept out of the playoff for any reason other than sanctions is never coming... ever.

I think that if the 13 people in a room meeting every other week sat down and looked at tOSUs body of work from that year, yes they would be able to tell that it was a shit schedule. In the end they would have been right because they lost to the Rose Bowl champ and lost their bowl game (another underdog). I can't think of another ranked team they played except maybe NW.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think that if the 13 people in a room meeting every other week sat down and looked at tOSUs body of work from that year, yes they would be able to tell that it was a shit schedule. In the end they would have been right because they lost to the Rose Bowl champ and lost their bowl game (another underdog). I can't think of another ranked team they played except maybe NW.

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