Brian Williams...our Hero

[IrishinTN]

These may be posted on another thread, but there are some pretty good ones.

 

[IrishinTN]

In Related News ‏@InRelatedNews1 Feb 4
#BrianWilliamsMemories After this Winston and I banged 2 whores wearing Hitler masks. That's me behind him.

 

[IrishinTN]

 

[IrishLax]

Huh? Context?

 

[IrishinTN]

Just his Iraq helicopter fib.

 

[Corry]

These may be posted on another thread, but there are some pretty good ones.

Stelter: Pilot Who Claimed He Flew Brian Williams’s Helicopter Withdraws His Account | Mediaite

 

[IrishLax]

Just his Iraq helicopter fib.

I had to look up what you were talking about. Too bad, he was our graduation speaker and was hilarious. Always liked him after that.

Really no different than Hillary lying about being shot at and everyone gave her a pass on that. Interested to see what happens here.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

He's also being questioned on his Katrina reporting now. He claimed to have witnessed a dead body float past his hotel in the French Quarters but because of the elevation of that small area it didn't even get flooded..

I actually like the guy but he might be in a tailspin here soon.

 

[IrishinTN]

Yes, sadly exaggerations are becoming the norm and not the exception...by practically everyone.

 

[IrishinTN]

 

[bkess8]

Love me some Brian Williams raps!

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[phork]

Not sure if I care or not. The initial report from the Iraq war was true. Then somehow over time it got embellished. He got called out, he apologized. Lets move on, there is more important shit to be dealing with, like ISIS lighting people on fire for fun. BTW Props to Jordan for unleashing hell and fury as a result.

 

[IrishinTN]

I disagree. I think it is a big deal when a mainstream news anchor embellishes stories to this degree. He is getting called out for it and rightly so. It is a trust issue. The "initial report" he told was his helicopter was hit by an RPG. That was not true. The other helicopter got hit by fire and they landed due to an oncoming sand storm.

Then again, I supposed I shouldn't trust any of these folks in the first place.

 

[dwshade]

You NEVER embellish stories when it comes to the military. A complete disrespect for those who serve our country.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's worth noting that memory is very, very sketchy in these types of events. Studies consistently show that people insert themselves into situations or change facts, particularly in very emotional moments. Many people don't actually remember where they were when they learned about Kennedy's assassination, Challenger, or any number of other things.

Many people, in fact, have very vivid memories of seeing footage of the plane going down in Pennsylvania on 9/11. The only problem...there is no such footage.

How Many of Your Memories Are Fake? - The Atlantic

Do You Really Remember Where You Were on 9/11? | 10th Anniversary of Sept. 11 | 2001 World Trade Center Terrorist Attacks

I don't know what happened here. It doesn't look good. But it's not implausible to think that his memory is inaccurate.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The Formation of False Memories

For most of this century, experimental psychologists have been interested in how and why memory fails. As Greene2 has aptly noted, memories do not exist in a vacuum. Rather, they continually disrupt each other, through a mechanism that we call "interference." Literally thousands of studies have documented how our memories can be disrupted by things that we experienced earlier (proactive interference) or things that we experienced later (retroactive interference).

Relatively modern research on interference theory has focused primarily on retroactive interference effects. After receipt of new information that is misleading in some way, people make errors when they report what they saw3. The new, post-event information often becomes incorporated into the recollection, supplementing or altering it, sometimes in dramatic ways. New information invades us, like a Trojan horse, precisely because we do not detect its influence. Understanding how we become tricked by revised data about a witnessed event is a central goal of this research.

The paradigm for this research is simple. Participants first witness a complex event, such as a simulated violent crime or an automobile accident. Subsequently, half the participants receive new misleading information about the event. The other half do not get any misinformation. Finally, all participants attempt to recall the original event. In a typical example of a study using this paradigm, participants saw a video depicting a killing in a crowded town square. They then received written information about the killing, but some people were misled about what they saw. A critical blue vehicle, for instance, was referred to as being white. When later asked about their memory for the color of the vehicle, those given the phony information tended to adopt it as their memory; they said they saw white4. In these and many other experiments, people who had not received the phony information had much more accurate memories. In some experiments the deficits in memory performance following receipt of misinformation have been dramatic, with performance differences as large as 30 or 40%.

This degree of distorted reporting has been found in scores of studies, involving a wide variety of materials. People have recalled nonexistent broken glass and tape recorders, a clean-shaven man as having a mustache, straight hair as curly, stop signs as yield signs, hammers as screwdrivers, and even something as large and conspicuous as a barn in a bucolic scene that contained no buildings at all. In short, misleading post-event information can alter a person's recollection in a powerful ways, even leading to the creation of false memories of objects that never in fact existed.

Tons of research in this area.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Really interesting stuff.

'We Can Implant Entirely False Memories'

You were abducted by aliens, you saw Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, and then you went up in a balloon. Didn't you?

Alan Alda had nothing against hard-boiled eggs until last spring. Then the actor, better known as Hawkeye from M*A*S*H, paid a visit to the University of California, Irvine. In his new guise as host of a science series on American TV, he was exploring the subject of memory. The researchers showed him round, and afterwards took him for a picnic in the park. By the time he came to leave, he had developed a dislike of hard-boiled eggs based on a memory of having made himself sick on them as a child - something that never happened.

"We can easily distort memories for the details of an event that you did experience," says Loftus. "And we can also go so far as to plant entirely false memories - we call them rich false memories because they are so detailed and so big."

She has persuaded people to adopt false but plausible memories - for instance, that at the age of five or six they had the distressing experience of being lost in a shopping mall - as well as implausible ones: memories of witnessing demonic possession, or an encounter with Bugs Bunny at Disneyland. Bugs Bunny is a Warner Brothers character, and as the Los Angeles Times put it earlier this year, "The wascally Warner Bros. Wabbit would be awwested on sight", at Disney.

 

[IrishinTN]

Interesting stuff. And I can understand how the mind might do some of these things, but I also see the difference here in that he, and several others at NBC, knew it was a lie from the very beginning.

 

[IrishLax]

You NEVER embellish stories when it comes to the military. A complete disrespect for those who serve our country.

I mean.... the flip side of this is that military members are NOTORIOUS for embellishing or outright fabricating their own stories. I learned this the hard way when I was in Government contracting working alongside a bunch of ex-military and initially bought every glorious story 100%, until someone enlightened me. I forget the slang word they had for fake macho war stories and such, but there is one.

There is an absurd number of ex-military people who claim to be "SEALs" or "rangers" and never were. I forget the exact statistic, but it's staggering and truly perplexing. Even the guys who WERE badasses routinely embellish or fabricate stories... heck, just look at Chris Kyle.

Anyways, I agree it's a disrespect, but at the same time it's not an egregious front to our service members when so many of them are guilty of the same sin.

 

[MartyIrish]

He's also being questioned on his Katrina reporting now. He claimed to have witnessed a dead body float past his hotel in the French Quarters but because of the elevation of that small area it didn't even get flooded..

I actually like the guy but he might be in a tailspin here soon.

You could, literally, write a book on the BS coming outta the Katrina coverage.....

The media blew that up WAAAAAAYYYY worse than it was.

 

[MartyIrish]

Not sure if I care or not. The initial report from the Iraq war was true. Then somehow over time it got embellished. He got called out, he apologized. Lets move on, there is more important shit to be dealing with, like ISIS lighting people on fire for fun. BTW Props to Jordan for unleashing hell and fury as a result.

Actually, in order to start to change the MSM for the better...This is the EXACT thing we need to call them out on and get them outta the chair

 

[irishff1014]

He lied and NBC sported him for this long. The made their beds and now they have to lay in them. Is it a big deal not really but if they get their balls busted oh well tell the truth.

 

[Rizzophil]

Does anyone trust mainstream media anymore?

 

[Irish#1]

Really interesting stuff.

'We Can Implant Entirely False Memories'

"You were abducted by aliens, you saw Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, and then you went up in a balloon. Didn't you?"

Everyone knows that Bugs Bunny is at Disney World, not Disneyland!

 

[ACamp1900]

I had to look up what you were talking about. Too bad, he was our graduation speaker and was hilarious. Always liked him after that.

Really no different than Hillary lying about being shot at and everyone gave her a pass on that. Interested to see what happens here.

Remember when people used to report the news, and not advance a narrative, thus their career?

 

[NDohio]

Does anyone trust mainstream media anymore?

No

Remember when people used to report the news, and not advance a narrative, thus their career?

Walter Cronkite!

 

[Irish#1]

From Stars & Stripes

NBC’s Brian Williams recants Iraq story after soldiers protest - U.S. - Stripes

 

[MartyIrish]

From Stars & Stripes

NBC’s Brian Williams recants Iraq story after soldiers protest - U.S. - Stripes

I equate this to "I didn't know what I was putting in my body" from athletes that get busted for PED's


Sure.

 

[ND NYC]

behind the scenes tom brokaw is calling for nbc to fire him.

he may be toast

 

[kmoose]

It's worth noting that memory is very, very sketchy in these types of events. Studies consistently show that people insert themselves into situations or change facts, particularly in very emotional moments. Many people don't actually remember where they were when they learned about Kennedy's assassination, Challenger, or any number of other things.

Many people, in fact, have very vivid memories of seeing footage of the plane going down in Pennsylvania on 9/11. The only problem...there is no such footage.

How Many of Your Memories Are Fake? - The Atlantic

Do You Really Remember Where You Were on 9/11? | 10th Anniversary of Sept. 11 | 2001 World Trade Center Terrorist Attacks

I don't know what happened here. It doesn't look good. But it's not implausible to think that his memory is inaccurate.

I find it hard to believe that someone would accidentally remember being in any aircraft that was shot down(forced down by enemy fire). One article I read said that his initial report of the event was accurate, in that he initially reported that it was another aircraft in the group of aircraft that he was flying in that was shot down(forced down). My guess is that people didn't give him enough respect and attention, for being in the war zone and being that close to a truly life threatening event, so he just embellished it until he was one of the pax in the aircraft that was shot down(forced down); and THAT got him a bunch of "oooohs" and "aaaahs", and "You're so brave"s. So he ran with that story