Brian Kelly to LSU, per report

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I’m astounded at the BK-stans since he’s left b/c I don’t remember that many when he was the HC at ND. The guy turned ND around and left as the winningest HC in ND history. To that I congratulate him & thank him for the job he did. I wish him well at LSU b/c in a way it validates his top ranked teams during his time at ND.

All that being said, if BK was here this year he’d be saddled w/ the same QBs as MF is. What does BK do specifically to will Buchner & Pyne to play better in the Marshall/Stanford games? I thought Rees would be the worst starter to come out of the BK era but it’s looking like Pyne will take that mantle. Can anyone provide a compelling argument that BK being HC this season would guarantee those wins over Marshall & Stanford?

He may have gotten a grad transfer qb. Other than that, I don't know.

But the problems go far deeper than what BK would have done. He left because the university simply refuses to compete. The reasons why ND is in such bad shape is why he left.

BK squeezed every drop that he could out of this hopelessly outdated program. He is the all time winningest coach in ND history and they still wouldn't let him compete. It's no wonder he embarrassed them and caught them with their pants down by saying fuck off and leaving so he can win.
 

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So you need a public display of anger to make you feel better as a fan? Throw a pencil into the crowd? Shove an assistant? Would that give him insta-cred for you?
If that’s what it takes? Yes

Dudes literally just.. there. Yell, scream, fire them the fuck up, idc. He’s a good looking Brady Hoke currently. May as well take the head set off.
 

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I love Kelly’s ego. You need a big ego to run a elite program.

You do know Players’ Coach never works, right?? Give me an example of a nice HC that has a Top program???
I think Pete Carroll was a players coach but not afraid to play a better freshman over an upper class man.
 

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If that’s what it takes? Yes

Dudes literally just.. there. Yell, scream, fire them the fuck up, idc. He’s a good looking Brady Hoke currently. May as well take the head set off.
Didn't Hoke clap a lot? Freeman is a young Art Shell.
 

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I’m astounded at the BK-stans since he’s left b/c I don’t remember that many when he was the HC at ND. The guy turned ND around and left as the winningest HC in ND history. To that I congratulate him & thank him for the job he did. I wish him well at LSU b/c in a way it validates his top ranked teams during his time at ND.

All that being said, if BK was here this year he’d be saddled w/ the same QBs as MF is. What does BK do specifically to will Buchner & Pyne to play better in the Marshall/Stanford games? I thought Rees would be the worst starter to come out of the BK era but it’s looking like Pyne will take that mantle. Can anyone provide a compelling argument that BK being HC this season would guarantee those wins over Marshall & Stanford?
Yes I guarantee with Kelly we would have won both of those games and you can throw in the Fiesta Bowl while you’re at it!
 

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I think Pete Carroll was a players coach but not afraid to play a better freshman over an upper class man.

Competition Tuesday every week. Every position was up for who wanted it most.

It bred intense competition.......oh nevermind. This program wouldn't know what to do with that or 'the next play is the most important play of your life' mantra of Alabama.
 

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I’m astounded at the BK-stans since he’s left b/c I don’t remember that many when he was the HC at ND. The guy turned ND around and left as the winningest HC in ND history. To that I congratulate him & thank him for the job he did. I wish him well at LSU b/c in a way it validates his top ranked teams during his time at ND.

All that being said, if BK was here this year he’d be saddled w/ the same QBs as MF is. What does BK do specifically to will Buchner & Pyne to play better in the Marshall/Stanford games? I thought Rees would be the worst starter to come out of the BK era but it’s looking like Pyne will take that mantle. Can anyone provide a compelling argument that BK being HC this season would guarantee those wins over Marshall & Stanford?
Not a "BK stan" but also never been ashamed to say he was a good coach who - up until the week after Thanksgiving last year when he ditched us while we were still in the playoff hunt - I was happy to see as head coach at Notre Dame for the foreseeable future. That said, he did what he did. And here we are.

As for what would have been different: His teams paid a lot more attention to detail than what we're seeing right now, and they did the extra things. Receivers blocked. Corners tackled. Tyree doesn't line up wrong on the TD throw to Mayer that got wiped out against Stanford. Etc. I'm pretty confident we're 6-1 even with the roster we have, though maybe not more likely to beat the best teams. And I think experience would tell him to take a grad transfer QB this year even if you like Buchner, because running QBs get hurt.
 

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Not a "BK stan" but also never been ashamed to say he was a good coach who - up until the week after Thanksgiving last year when he ditched us while we were still in the playoff hunt - I was happy to see as head coach at Notre Dame for the foreseeable future. That said, he did what he did. And here we are.

As for what would have been different: His teams paid a lot more attention to detail than what we're seeing right now, and they did the extra things. Receivers blocked. Corners tackled. Tyree doesn't line up wrong on the TD throw to Mayer that got wiped out against Stanford. Etc. I'm pretty confident we're 6-1 even with the roster we have, though maybe not more likely to beat the best teams. And I think experience would tell him to take a grad transfer QB this year even if you like Buchner, because running QBs get hurt.
That’s fair…we will never know however. I look at is like this: BK coached here for 12 years and he never secured & developed the type of QB ND deserved. Sure, Rees shoulders some blame too but he wasn’t coaching here 12 years was he? He also wasn’t the HC who was known to not be a great recruiter.

BK is now at a place that recruits itself so he should be fine moving forward. Good luck to him but the fact ND is trotting out a D3 QB as the starter at ND reflects what a horrible recruiter & evaluator of talent at QB he was.
 

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He may have gotten a grad transfer qb. Other than that, I don't know.

But the problems go far deeper than what BK would have done. He left because the university simply refuses to compete. The reasons why ND is in such bad shape is why he left.

BK squeezed every drop that he could out of this hopelessly outdated program. He is the all time winningest coach in ND history and they still wouldn't let him compete. It's no wonder he embarrassed them and caught them with their pants down by saying fuck off and leaving so he can win.
I get that. And BK did a ton of research & lobbying to get them where they are today in regards to progress w/ the program (field turf, jumbotron, etc). But he still could’ve recruited better at the QB position. While ND may have lacked what BK wanted in a lot of areas, he still got out-recruited at QB by teams who had shittier facilities.
 

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I love Kelly’s ego. You need a big ego to run a elite program.

You do know Players’ Coach never works, right?? Give me an example of a nice HC that has a Top program???
You’re living up to your screen name.

Off the top of my head:

Barry Switzer (the ultimate players’ coach)
Pete Carroll
John Robinson
Mack Brown
Dabo Swinney
Kirby Smart
Mark Richt
Josh Heupel
 

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Not a "BK stan" but also never been ashamed to say he was a good coach who - up until the week after Thanksgiving last year when he ditched us while we were still in the playoff hunt - I was happy to see as head coach at Notre Dame for the foreseeable future. That said, he did what he did. And here we are.

As for what would have been different: His teams paid a lot more attention to detail than what we're seeing right now, and they did the extra things. Receivers blocked. Corners tackled. Tyree doesn't line up wrong on the TD throw to Mayer that got wiped out against Stanford. Etc. I'm pretty confident we're 6-1 even with the roster we have, though maybe not more likely to beat the best teams. And I think experience would tell him to take a grad transfer QB this year even if you like Buchner, because running QBs get hurt.

I feel like this is a little bit of revisionist history.
We are currently averaging less penalties per game than any season in the BK era. During BKs time the running joke was win the coin toss and receive, immediately have to burn a timeout, go 3 and out and it definitely happened frequently enough that the joke had some validity. We went 12 seasons without even trying to field special teams. Our Qbs repeatedly would scramble then just run out of bounds for a loss. Then there was the whole Joe Schmidt thing that went on for FAR too long.

The list is long but there are plenty of examples of BKs teams making the same kind of detail mistakes.
Last year we most definitely should have lost to VT and Toledo and spent most of the season trying to fit square peg in round hole, but caught a couple of breaks or would have been a 4-5 loss team.

From that team we lost our only functional QB with no replacement, a ball hawking all world safety, a complete stud RB, our best and only real threat WR and basically replaced the entire coaching staff with an entire staff of guys who had never coached together before, under a first time HC.

The players and coaches all need to show improvement, that is not up for debate, but bK would not have done siginificantly better with this same group. Recruiting also would not be where it is.

If Kelly’s teams were so well coached 2016 would have never happened, the NC State hurricane game would never happen, 2017 Miami would never happen, and the blowouts in every big time game against a good opponent would not have happened. Not saying we would have won any of them, but at least been competitive in at least 1 or two of them (defining competitive as the game not essentially being over by halftime, or in some cases the end of the 1Q)
 

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And I think experience would tell him to take a grad transfer QB this year even if you like Buchner, because running QBs get hurt.
He absolutely would have. Just like last year, he knew Tommy boy's putrid QB recruiting wasn't cutting it, which is why he grabbed Jack Coan. If he were here someone like JT Daniels is probably our starting QB. Rookie mistake by Freeman and hopefully he adjusts next year by bringing in a quality grad transfer QB and a good OC.
 

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I feel like this is a little bit of revisionist history.
We are currently averaging less penalties per game than any season in the BK era. During BKs time the running joke was win the coin toss and receive, immediately have to burn a timeout, go 3 and out and it definitely happened frequently enough that the joke had some validity. We went 12 seasons without even trying to field special teams. Our Qbs repeatedly would scramble then just run out of bounds for a loss. Then there was the whole Joe Schmidt thing that went on for FAR too long.

The list is long but there are plenty of examples of BKs teams making the same kind of detail mistakes.
Last year we most definitely should have lost to VT and Toledo and spent most of the season trying to fit square peg in round hole, but caught a couple of breaks or would have been a 4-5 loss team.

From that team we lost our only functional QB with no replacement, a ball hawking all world safety, a complete stud RB, our best and only real threat WR and basically replaced the entire coaching staff with an entire staff of guys who had never coached together before, under a first time HC.

The players and coaches all need to show improvement, that is not up for debate, but bK would not have done siginificantly better with this same group. Recruiting also would not be where it is.

If Kelly’s teams were so well coached 2016 would have never happened, the NC State hurricane game would never happen, 2017 Miami would never happen, and the blowouts in every big time game against a good opponent would not have happened. Not saying we would have won any of them, but at least been competitive in at least 1 or two of them (defining competitive as the game not essentially being over by halftime, or in some cases the end of the 1Q)

The other big revision is BK inherited a bare cupboard, and left it full.

I firmly believe the 2010 roster was far more talented than the 2022 roster as a whole.

Yes this is a transitional year and every program will have an ebb and flow based on personnel leaving, but MF is facing a far tougher schedule in his first season than BK did, with much less.


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If freeman wins out like Kelly did that year and punish a favored USC team in the road all is forgiven. Ain’t happnin! I was planning on buying 15 tickets to that game when I thought we would be worth a shit but thank god I did not! We suck mich more than Kelly’s first year and big Tommy Rees was out boy back then. Rees was a much better QB than Pyne any day. We are a good QB away from 6-1 maybe even 7-0 but this place can’t get a top 25 QB. Kelly was a very good HC which means we would be 6-1 right now with a nice bowl win last year.

This will be a valid comparison if you believe:

2022 Clemson is on par with a 2010 Utah team that finished 10-3 and lost the Maaco Bowl

2022 Syracuse is on par with a 2010 Army team that finished 7-6 with a win in the Armed Forces bowl

2022 USC is on par with a 2010 USC team that finished 8-5 and didn’t go to a bowl

I kind of feel the 2022 teams are better than those 2010 offerings, but we won’t know until
the season ends


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The other big revision is BK inherited a bare cupboard, and left it full.

I firmly believe the 2010 roster was far more talented than the 2022 roster as a whole.

Yes this is a transitional year and every program will have an ebb and flow based on personnel leaving, but MF is facing a far tougher schedule in his first season than BK did, with much less.


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It’s almost unarguable that they were comparable at worst and certainly had better skill talent. 2x NFL WRs, one of them a top 20 pick. Rudolph = Mayer interns of both being elite “pro bowl” types. The “bad” QBs not worse than Pyne. OL had less NFL talent. RBs comparable. So maybe a worse OL but way better talent at receiver.

On defense, had a lot of future elite players that he didn’t get rolling until the end of the season. LBs were certainly better, secondary was arguably better in some areas and worse in others, DL didn’t have a pass rusher as good as Foskey and was a weak spot.
 

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The other big revision is BK inherited a bare cupboard, and left it full.

I firmly believe the 2010 roster was far more talented than the 2022 roster as a whole.

Yes this is a transitional year and every program will have an ebb and flow based on personnel leaving, but MF is facing a far tougher schedule in his first season than BK did, with much less.


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I’m of the firm opinion BK knew exactly what kind of team and coaching he had in place versus the schedule this year and decided a payday in the SEC was his best choice.
 

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He absolutely would have. Just like last year, he knew Tommy boy's putrid QB recruiting wasn't cutting it, which is why he grabbed Jack Coan. If he were here someone like JT Daniels is probably our starting QB. Rookie mistake by Freeman and hopefully he adjusts next year by bringing in a quality grad transfer QB and a good OC.
I still don’t understand how BK…the HC from 2010-2021…gets a pass for NEVER signing &/or developing an All-American QB. Plus, he’s the Einstein who hand-picked Rees to run the offense so that’s on him, too. BK, like Davie & Willingham; assumed ND would recruit itself despite the academic hurdles & the less than attractive college experience. Now BK is at a school that does recruit itself. Even if they have to go head-to-head w/ Bama, it’s a good problem to have. Plus if the kid is a Louisiana native (which is a recruiting gold mine), he more than likely has dreamt of playing for LSU regardless of who the HC is.

So, no; there’s absolutely ZERO guarantee that BK gets off his ass and convinces a grad-transfer to come to ND. He could have…but to guarantee that he would have based on his track record is a fool’s errand.
 

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4 new pages just because BK beat a top 10 team!?

My reaction-- about damn time he did it. When will it matter-- go beat Alabama.

ND's admissions is an easy blame, if ND offered BK the same amount of money that L$U did he would still be here.
 

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He may have gotten a grad transfer qb. Other than that, I don't know.

But the problems go far deeper than what BK would have done. He left because the university simply refuses to compete. The reasons why ND is in such bad shape is why he left.

BK squeezed every drop that he could out of this hopelessly outdated program. He is the all time winningest coach in ND history and they still wouldn't let him compete. It's no wonder he embarrassed them and caught them with their pants down by saying fuck off and leaving so he can win.
Right on the mark
 

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I still don’t understand how BK…the HC from 2010-2021…gets a pass for NEVER signing &/or developing an All-American QB. Plus, he’s the Einstein who hand-picked Rees to run the offense so that’s on him, too. BK, like Davie & Willingham; assumed ND would recruit itself despite the academic hurdles & the less than attractive college experience. Now BK is at a school that does recruit itself. Even if they have to go head-to-head w/ Bama, it’s a good problem to have. Plus if the kid is a Louisiana native (which is a recruiting gold mine), he more than likely has dreamt of playing for LSU regardless of who the HC is.

So, no; there’s absolutely ZERO guarantee that BK gets off his ass and convinces a grad-transfer to come to ND. He could have…but to guarantee that he would have based on his track record is a fool’s errand.
I think BK at least would have recognized that they needed to unlike Tommy boy and co.
 

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I still don’t understand how BK…the HC from 2010-2021…gets a pass for NEVER signing &/or developing an All-American QB. Plus, he’s the Einstein who hand-picked Rees to run the offense so that’s on him, too. BK, like Davie & Willingham; assumed ND would recruit itself despite the academic hurdles & the less than attractive college experience. Now BK is at a school that does recruit itself. Even if they have to go head-to-head w/ Bama, it’s a good problem to have. Plus if the kid is a Louisiana native (which is a recruiting gold mine), he more than likely has dreamt of playing for LSU regardless of who the HC is.

So, no; there’s absolutely ZERO guarantee that BK gets off his ass and convinces a grad-transfer to come to ND. He could have…but to guarantee that he would have based on his track record is a fool’s errand.
Oh, he absolutely should. When he came over from Cincy, he was billed as this great offensive genius. In 12 years at ND only 2 of his QB's were drafted. WR play was up and down and he hired Del Alexander who destroyed the WR room since he couldn't really develop the talent at the position. Regarding Rees, no one held a gun to his head and forced him to hire him as the QB coach in 2017 and promote him to OC ahead of the 2020 season. Did Kelly even have a thorough nation-wide search for a OC? Unless I completely missed it, my guess is no. He likely just waddled his fat butt 10 feet down the hallway and knocked on Rees' door and promoted him. Lazy, nepotism hire.
 

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It’s almost unarguable that they were comparable at worst and certainly had better skill talent. 2x NFL WRs, one of them a top 20 pick. Rudolph = Mayer interns of both being elite “pro bowl” types. The “bad” QBs not worse than Pyne. OL had less NFL talent. RBs comparable. So maybe a worse OL but way better talent at receiver.

On defense, had a lot of future elite players that he didn’t get rolling until the end of the season. LBs were certainly better, secondary was arguably better in some areas and worse in others, DL didn’t have a pass rusher as good as Foskey and was a weak spot.

I know they said they would keep the Freeman defense with Goldens touch on it. But maybe they are doing away to what they did last year and the linebackers aren’t as good in that style.
 
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I still don’t understand how BK…the HC from 2010-2021…gets a pass for NEVER signing &/or developing an All-American QB. Plus, he’s the Einstein who hand-picked Rees to run the offense so that’s on him, too. BK, like Davie & Willingham; assumed ND would recruit itself despite the academic hurdles & the less than attractive college experience. Now BK is at a school that does recruit itself. Even if they have to go head-to-head w/ Bama, it’s a good problem to have. Plus if the kid is a Louisiana native (which is a recruiting gold mine), he more than likely has dreamt of playing for LSU regardless of who the HC is.

So, no; there’s absolutely ZERO guarantee that BK gets off his ass and convinces a grad-transfer to come to ND. He could have…but to guarantee that he would have based on his track record is a fool’s errand.
Kelly has more burner accounts than Kevin Durant.
 
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