Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Free Manera]

RDU, you need either a six pack or a valium right about now. lol

Why not both?

 

[ACamp1900]

Starting Coan should have this thread back to form in no time.

Right?! lol, I was just thinking how the Coan news is gonna get many to revisit the fuck out of the revisit thread...

 

[RDU Irish]

RDU, you need either a six pack or a valium right about now. lol

True story - this news has me triggered.

 

[ulukinatme]

What's this about Coan? Does it have to do with Kelly saying "You need experience when you go into VT"?
I mean, Pyne has experience! Just not a lot of it

 

[ThePiombino]

Wish Kelly took his own "experience" advice when hiring an OC...

 

[irishff1014]

The problem with Kelly is that he thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else. He does have the most wins and he has had to go through some terrible times to do this. And he should be congradulated for that. But him being stubborn/cocky will be just as big of a story when he leaves.

 

[T-Boone]

I think Pyne will be the starter. The Kelly press conference comments is a smoke screen.

 

[T-Boone]

What's this about Coan? Does it have to do with Kelly saying "You need experience when you go into VT"?
I mean, Pyne has experience! Just not a lot of it

Yeah that is what made everyone think it is Coan. But he also has said we can't keep changing around which I don't think he would say if it was Coan because of how last week went and you have to think there is a pretty good chance Coan would be sacked 5ish times by half time this week as well.

 

[Irish#1]

Wish Kelly took his own "experience" advice when hiring an OC...

But he's not coaching at VT every week.

 

[Irish#1]

The problem with Kelly is that he thinks he is som much smart than everyone else. We does have the most wins and he has had to go through some terrible times to do this. And he should be congradulated for that. But him being stubborn/cocky will be just as big of a story when he leaves.

That's the problem with all HC's. They all think they know more than us fans. If BK would listen to us, he'd be working on his 7th or 8th natty.

 

[BeauBenken]

The problem with Kelly is that he thinks he is som much smart than everyone else. We does have the most wins and he has had to go through some terrible times to do this. And he should be congradulated for that. But him being stubborn/cocky will be just as big of a story when he leaves.

The guy had to completely change himself and his staff. That's pretty damn humble.

You just likely don't like the guy. And you're not alone in the fan base by a long shot. Many have never forgiven him for dropping the USF game.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I think Pyne will be the starter. The Kelly press conference comments is a smoke screen.

I don't know, man. There are also reports that Coan was getting the majority of practice reps earlier in the week.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/verypiratey/status/1446147006280474624?s=21[/TWEET]

Oh the love affair between Jack and BK
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/verypiratey/status/1446153840026337281[/TWEET]

 

[ulukinatme]

The guy had to completely change himself and his staff. That's pretty damn humble.

You just likely don't like the guy. And you're not alone in the fan base by a long shot. Many have never forgiven him for dropping the USF game.

I'm with you. Football has so many intangibles. Dayne Crist was a 5 star QB in recruiting sites back in the day, composite score. Tommy was a 3. I didn't see practices leading up to that game, but you would have to think that Dayne had to look better than Tommy given the fact he was named starter again following his injury the previous season. Then comes USF and Dayne is struggling mightily. Tommy gets inserted 2nd half and the offense begins to respond. We had momentum that 2nd half, but were a missed FG from overtime.

The point is we went from two turnovers and nothing but punts the 1st half to three scores in the 2nd. On paper the offense should have operated better with Crist, but for whatever reason practice doesn't always translate to results on game day. Sometimes it's the heady backup that has moxy, and it's intangibles like that which determine who your best players ultimately are. Until you arrive at that moment when your starter fails...how do you know it's time for the backup?

We get a stretch of success again and some fans forget what it's like living through the Davie/Willingham/Weis years where we're losing to the likes of Syracuse, Pitt, Michigan State, and Purdue regularly. Winning is hard, and it's especially hard at Notre Dame compared to many other places. We've got six opponents on the schedule that put a BYE in their schedule before they faced us. Who else can say that? That's the mark of a good program. Armchair quarterbacks think they know better than the guy with the most wins in program history. That doesn't necessarily make him the best coach all time, but the armchair quarterback isn't leading the Irish to a NC either while Saban's machine is rolling.

 

[irishff1014]

The guy had to completely change himself and his staff. That's pretty damn humble.

You just likely don't like the guy. And you're not alone in the fan base by a long shot. Many have never forgiven him for dropping the USF game.

I do like Kelly I just don’t like his stubbornness. I did call for him to be fired when this thread was started many moons ago. But I backed off that when he was forced to make changes. Then he seemed like he continued to make good decisions without being forced. His involvement in recruiting has been telling.

IMO Mickens hire is still in the air. Recruiting is ok but we aren’t seeing big improvements in the DBs. I think the Freeman hire is going to be good. I think he will recruit better than Lea but not coach better. So right now those hires are good. I think we all agree that Taylor was a good hire. Other than Lea every coach he has hired had experience.

NOONE cay say BK hasn’t help ND. He clearly has. He was supposedly an offensive star coach that has never equated to much at ND on a consistent basis. I am glad he realized that he needed to make the defense a priority but he needs to do that with the offense as well. I do t think that’s happening on the offensive side of the ball or special teams.

and I know that me and you have had some disagreement about this and other topics in the past but you can be a little more patient than I can be.

 

[BeauBenken]

I do like Kelly I just don’t like his stubbornness. I did call for him to be fired when this thread was started many moons ago. But I backed off that when he was forced to make changes. Then he seemed like he continued to make good decisions without being forced. His involvement in recruiting has been telling.

IMO Mickens hire is still in the air. Recruiting is ok but we aren’t seeing big improvements in the DBs. I think the Freeman hire is going to be good. I think he will recruit better than Lea but not coach better. So right now those hires are good. I think we all agree that Taylor was a good hire. Other than Lea every coach he has hired had experience.

NOONE cay say BK hasn’t help ND. He clearly has. He was supposedly an offensive star coach that has never equated to much at ND on a consistent basis. I am glad he realized that he needed to make the defense a priority but he needs to do that with the offense as well. I do t think that’s happening on the offensive side of the ball or special teams.

and I know that me and you have had some disagreement about this and other topics in the past but you can be a little more patient than I can be.

Well patience is a virtue. :rolleye:

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'm with you. Football has so many intangibles. Dayne Crist was a 5 star QB in recruiting sites back in the day, composite score. Tommy was a 3. I didn't see practices leading up to that game, but you would have to think that Dayne had to look better than Tommy given the fact he was named starter again following his injury the previous season. Then comes USF and Dayne is struggling mightily. Tommy gets inserted 2nd half and the offense begins to respond. We had momentum that 2nd half, but were a missed FG from overtime.

The point is we went from two turnovers and nothing but punts the 1st half to three scores in the 2nd. On paper the offense should have operated better with Crist, but for whatever reason practice doesn't always translate to results on game day. Sometimes it's the heady backup that has moxy, and it's intangibles like that which determine who your best players ultimately are. Until you arrive at that moment when your starter fails...how do you know it's time for the backup?

We get a stretch of success again and some fans forget what it's like living through the Davie/Willingham/Weis years where we're losing to the likes of Syracuse, Pitt, Michigan State, and Purdue regularly. Winning is hard, and it's especially hard at Notre Dame compared to many other places. We've got six opponents on the schedule that put a BYE in their schedule before they faced us. Who else can say that? That's the mark of a good program. Armchair quarterbacks think they know better than the guy with the most wins in program history. That doesn't necessarily make him the best coach all time, but the armchair quarterback isn't leading the Irish to a NC either while Saban's machine is rolling.

Saban's Machine. I like it. Sounds like a movie.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Oh the love affair between Jack and BK
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/verypiratey/status/1446153840026337281[/TWEET]

OMG this creeps me out and makes me laugh till I cry at the same time. Awesome!

 

[GoldenAura]

We're somehow 5-1 and yet I have no faith in Kelly right now. This team is a hot mess. Can't properly manage his QB room at all.

 

[Dale]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/matt_fortuna/status/1447042759743901704?s=21[/TWEET]

Still BIG mad at the beat lol

 

[T-Boone]

We're somehow 5-1 and yet I have no faith in Kelly right now. This team is a hot mess. Can't properly manage his QB room at all.

Well he is right about the QB situation. At his best Coan is the best and hopefully the Oline is now suddenly goodish.

 

[ulukinatme]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/matt_fortuna/status/1447042759743901704?s=21[/TWEET]

Still BIG mad at the beat lol

Is this BK's Mike Gundy moment?

 

[NDdomer2]

Will be interesting to look back on this season with 20/20 hindsight.

Currently 5-1 with that loss being to current #3 team in country that's very very likely to go undefeated and make playoffs.

What if we finish with just 1/2 losses - would you consider it Kelly's best coaching job to date?

 

[NDRock]

Will be interesting to look back on this season with 20/20 hindsight.

Currently 5-1 with that loss being to current #3 team in country that's very very likely to go undefeated and make playoffs.

What if we finish with just 1/2 losses - would you consider it Kelly's best coaching job to date?

No. Most of the problems are of his own doing. QB situation, assistant coaches, etc… I personally will think it was a missed opportunity with the playoff picture wide open.

 

[T-Boone]

Will be interesting to look back on this season with 20/20 hindsight.

Currently 5-1 with that loss being to current #3 team in country that's very very likely to go undefeated and make playoffs.

What if we finish with just 1/2 losses - would you consider it Kelly's best coaching job to date?

I get where you are coming from but we nearly (and should have if they clock managed properly) lost to Toledo so the answer has to be no.

 

[pumpdog20]

Will be interesting to look back on this season with 20/20 hindsight.

Currently 5-1 with that loss being to current #3 team in country that's very very likely to go undefeated and make playoffs.

What if we finish with just 1/2 losses - would you consider it Kelly's best coaching job to date?

Yeah, BK brought the stress on himself. Love him as ND's coach but he totally wasted a good year to earn that statue.

 

[NDFAN420]

Yeah, BK brought the stress on himself.

Pretty much the theme of his tenure here.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Will be interesting to look back on this season with 20/20 hindsight.

Currently 5-1 with that loss being to current #3 team in country that's very very likely to go undefeated and make playoffs.

What if we finish with just 1/2 losses - would you consider it Kelly's best coaching job to date?

I'm not sure Cincinnati has quite the inside track to make the playoffs just yet. Georgia and Bama could still both get in if they each run the table and Bama beats Georgia in SECC. Big 10 champ. Oklahoma. Also 1 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon with a win over Ohio St. UC needs things to happen to these teams still in order to make it in the playoff.

 

[Irish#1]

I get where you are coming from but we nearly (and should have if they clock managed properly) lost to Toledo so the answer has to be no.

You can play woulda, shoulda for every game and every season. The general consensus prior to the season kicking off was 8-4 or 9-3. Currently on track to better either of those records.

 

[Free Manera]

Everyone thought there would be 3-4 losses due to the strength of schedule. As it turns out virtually every team on the schedule (besides Cincinnati) is mediocre to bad. ND should be 10-2 at worst this year, even with the shitshow on offense.

Here is what's left:

USC - interim coach and they seem to have basically mailed it in
UNC - 3 losses against bad to mediocre teams
Navy - has 1 win
UVA - got destroyed by UNC and Wake Forest
GT - 3 losses including a massacre at the hands of powerhouse Pitt and a loss to Northern Illinois
Stanford - 3 losses including blowouts by Arizona St. and Kansas State

I would build in one more loss because I think it's going to be Buchner starting games with Coan closing, and I think he could have a 3 turnover day at some point (which I can totally live with personally).

I feel like the best case scenario for ND now is:
1. Go 11-1 or 10-2;
2. with Buchner getting most of the snaps;
3. along with the 6 other true freshmen we just saw getting lots of snaps as well;
4. Playing in and winning a NY6 bowl