Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[ShawneeIrish]

Swarbrick has imo done a very nice job. Many sports programs have flourished during his tenure. The football program is in bad shape right now and BK needs to go but it is not like BK was such an obviously bad hire that the AD needs to go. Coupled with the overall improvements in the athletic dept and the current state of our teams as a whole I would not even consider firing Jack.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

what are the chances BK jumps ship on his own and goes to a power 5 school?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Whereas for most fans, 2-5 starts to the season are just another day in the park?

When the facts change, I change my opinion. What do you do?

I try to look at the bigger picture and realize Kelly has done a lot of good things and has done nothing to warrant a midseason firing. His buyout is too big and it's one pathetic year.

The most difficult thing in all of this were the lofty expectations. We all were naive enough to believe we could reload that quickly but with a shite defensive coach and a very young team on the field, we don't appear to have the endurance or experience to hang.

Write this year off, see what BK does next year and then we can begin talking about making a coaching change.

Best case scenario for someone like you, is if BK pursues a different HC position. If he does, then we don't have the buyout, can immediately hit the restart button and watch 20% of our recruits follow Kelly to LSU or wherever else he ends up.

Kelly is still a damn good coach. I think this year serves as a great reminder for Kelly.

I'm sure your reply with have a lot of "year 7" in it. May as well just assume i don't agree.

 

[NorthDakota]

what are the chances BK jumps ship on his own and goes to a power 5 school?

Who is going to pay his buyout

 

[NorthDakota]

I try to look at the bigger picture and realize Kelly has done a lot of good things and has done nothing to warrant a midseason firing. His buyout is too big and it's one pathetic year.

The most difficult thing in all of this were the lofty expectations. We all were naive enough to believe we could reload that quickly but with a shite defensive coach and a very young team on the field, we don't appear to have the endurance or experience to hang.

Write this year off, see what BK does next year and then we can begin talking about making a coaching change.

Best case scenario for someone like you, is if BK pursues a different HC position. If he does, then we don't have the buyout, can immediately hit the restart button and watch 20% of our recruits follow Kelly to LSU or wherever else he ends up.

Kelly is still a damn good coach. I think this year serves as a great reminder for Kelly.

I'm sure your reply with have a lot of "year 7" in it. May as well just assume i don't agree.

Yep. Kelly has a great track record. Nice fat extension. This has probably been very humbling.

 

[GBdomer]

Of course he's going to say that publicly about BK, what is he suppose to say? I am sure there might be some things going on behind the scenes. Jack is always four steps ahead of everyone else

 

[NDgradstudent]

Kelly is still a damn good coach. I think this year serves as a great reminder for Kelly.

I'm sure your reply with have a lot of "year 7" in it. May as well just assume i don't agree.

We'll have to wait and see what happens next year, I guess. Weis got two more years after 3-9. We all know how those went. I expect something similar from Kelly.

 

[stlnd01]

Not sure why we all assume Kelly has this monster buyout. Yes we got burned with Weis but I like to think Savvy Jack wouldn't make that mistake again.
If he did I might start to agree with Mr. GradStudent

 

[philipm31]

Not sure why we all assume Kelly has this monster buyout. Yes we got burned with Weis but I like to think Savvy Jack wouldn't make that mistake again.
If he did I might start to agree with Mr. GradStudent

Agreed.

Jack is not that crazy.

And honestly, ND has so much money that the buyout is never the problem, anyway.

 

[philipm31]

I mean, that stat is basically bullshit. That 2012 team had a bunch of Kelly players playing HUGE roles. Very clever of them to subjectively draw the line there as "post-Weis"...

Much the same could be said of the 88 team with Lou, whose team was full of his guys, but the Three Amigos and most of the captains were Faust recruits, as the entire Senior class were recruited by Gerry. In fact, the last Heisman winner in ND history to date was a Faust recruit.

The first team that was all recruits of Lou's went 12-1 the next year (89) and then never had a year approaching this in the four years afterwards.

In fact, from 89-93, ND was a perennial Top 5 team, something we have never been able to say about ND since he left, even with BK.

The stat is not total bull.

 

[BobbyMac]

Much the same could be said of the 88 team with Lou, whose team was full of his guys, but the Three Amigos and most of the captains were Faust recruits, as the entire Senior class were recruited by Gerry. In fact, the last Heisman winner in ND history to date was a Faust recruit.

The first team that was all recruits of Lou's went 12-1 the next year (89) and then never had a year approaching this in the four years afterwards.

In fact, from 89-93, ND was a perennial Top 5 team, something we have never been able to say about ND since he left, even with BK.

The stat is not total bull.

1993 was 4 years after 1989.

 

[ulukinatme]

Not sure why we all assume Kelly has this monster buyout. Yes we got burned with Weis but I like to think Savvy Jack wouldn't make that mistake again.
If he did I might start to agree with Mr. GradStudent

Agreed.

Jack is not that crazy.

And honestly, ND has so much money that the buyout is never the problem, anyway.

Didn't someone in the know say that BK's new buyout was larger than Weis'? No italics.

 

[kmoose]

This is "coach-speak" from Jack. If ND struggles next year, BK is done

And the hiring of BK in the first place make complete sense. The #1 Predictor of success at ND has been proven success as a college HC (Ara, Lou had it. Faust, Davie, Ty, Weis didn't)

BK had that in spades.

There was nearly universal agreement, at the time, that Willingham's winning record(44-36-1) in 7 seasons as Head Coach at Stanford was proven success.

 

[NDRock]

Didn't someone in the know say that BK's new buyout was larger than Weis'? No italics.

I believe Mike Frank indicated that Kelly is being paid in the $5 million a year neighborhood. So a five year extension would mean we pay him $25 million. Unless the two parties came to a settlement. I think Weis got around $20-25 million.

 

[stlnd01]

There was nearly universal agreement, at the time, that Willingham's winning record(44-36-1) in 7 seasons as Head Coach at Stanford was proven success.

True. Though it was often qualified with "for Stanford" at a time when they were perceived as a program with a pretty low ceiling.
Also, it was well established that Ty was about our third or fourth choice back at the time. Back was the best coach on the market in 2009.

 

[stlnd01]

I believe Mike Frank indicated that Kelly is being paid in the $5 million a year neighborhood. So a five year extension would mean we pay him $25 million. Unless the two parties came to a settlement. I think Weis got around $20-25 million.

$5 M/yr may well be true, but would be surprised if it's all guaranteed money should he leave the program.

 

[NDRock]

$5 M/yr may well be true, but would be surprised if it's all guaranteed money should he leave the program.

No idea how his contract reads but isnt that fairly standard for big-time coaches?

 

[kmoose]

True. Though it was often qualified with "for Stanford" at a time when they were perceived as a program with a pretty low ceiling.
Also, it was well established that Ty was about our third or fourth choice back at the time. Back was the best coach on the market in 2009.

And Lou's success at Minnesota was looked at the exact same way....

 

[BobbyMac]

And Lou's success at Minnesota was looked at the exact same way....

But Lou had 10 very good years at NC St and Arkansas to go along with that.

 

[texbender]

This has certainly been a disappointing year. Every loss was a winnable game. The games we were able to win last year are the games we are losing this year. Never really think dumping Coach K is the "fix". Who is the replacement? As ND has learned over past 20- years, this isn't the destination for many of the more elite college coaches. ND has a decent coach and team is having a tough year. Recruiting is going well, just fight through it.

 

[stlnd01]

No idea how his contract reads but isnt that fairly standard for big-time coaches?

Big-time coaches certainly have big buyouts, but I don't think they're typically equivalent to all the money remaining on the contract. I think it tends to be a percentage. So it's a negotiation. In this case, given the history with Weis and the fact that Kelly wasn't going anywhere when they extended him, I'd be very surprised if Swarbrick agreed to both a big raise and a 100% buyout. But who knows for sure.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Weakest schedule in decades, as we are reminded yet again today. 2-5. And just yesterday our clueless AD said everything was fine.

The program is a joke.

 

[gkIrish]

Weakest schedule in decades, as we are reminded yet again today. 2-5. And just yesterday our clueless AD said everything was fine.

The program is a joke.

The same posters who don't think BK should even be on the hot seat are the ones that thought Texas would win the Big 12.

 

[BobbyMac]

 

[gkIrish]

Says the guy that clicked on it.

 

[BobbyMac]

Says the guy that clicked on it.

It's the only thing live besides worthless soccer and Presidential race threads.

...and I think I've been clear, BK deserves to be fired.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Do you think that Texas and ND can just trade coaches? I think Kelly and Strong are both good coaches who badly need a change of scenery.

 

[texbender]

Do you think that Texas and ND can just trade coaches? I think Kelly and Strong are both good coaches who badly need a change of scenery.

ND will not hire Strong, would be a BIG mistake. Now, if you could lure him as DC, that's a different story.

 

[NCDomer]

Anyone read that 247 article hinting that the next DC may be Elko from Wake Forest? Solid DC everywhere he went. Wake's D looked pretty good against FSU the other weekend.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Anyone read that 247 article hinting that the next DC may be Elko from Wake Forest? Solid DC everywhere he went. Wake's D looked pretty good against FSU the other weekend.

We need someone who can coach up the talent that we have. He's done that at WF. Sounds good to me.