Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[dad4aa]

When did we win the lottery? We haven't won anything in 25 years.

You may need to attend class more and skip the games because I know they teach how to read at ND. I never said WE won the lottery. I used the lottery winning as a metaphor of how you would still complain about winning because you had to split the money with someone else. In other words...if you're breathing, you're bitching.

I don't want to ask you if you have seen the games, but I have to ask you: have you seen the games?

I have had season tickets longer than you have probably been alive so yes...I have seen the games.

Because I go to ND (and therefore root for ND) and because I am interested in sports. The same reason I go to hockey, basketball, soccer, lacrosse, etc., game.

We must have different definitions of "rooting for a team" because all I ever read from you is negative comments and complaining.

Have you seen a Saban or Belichick postgame press conference after a win?

They are coaches, that is their job to get the team better every week and improve. I missed the part where you spoke at the press conferences. Please provide a link.

I'm aware it is just a game. This is an internet sports forum; the point is to discuss games.

I have yet to see anything from you that resembles discussion. Your posts come across as a middle school kid who got screwed over by a girl and now can only say negative things. There are a ton of people on this board that want to see BK fired but at least bring some intellect to their reasoning instead of constant complaining.

 

[dad4aa]

In my mind, that is the other shoe to drop this off-season. I can't see Denbrock getting a great HC offer and if he doesnt leave, is Sanford willing to coach his 3rd season as OC in name only.

Denbrock is a good teacher. I would hate to see him leave... but I would hate to see Sanford go as well. Something's gotta give.

I agree with this. We need to keep Sanford more than anyone, IMO.

 

[NDgradstudent]

There are a ton of people on this board that want to see BK fired but at least bring some intellect to their reasoning instead of constant complaining.

I guess you haven't read many of my posts? I frequently provide statistical evidence for claims I make, I often post charts and graphs, etc. I just produced what I thought was pretty strong evidence that academic restrictions are not the main problem facing ND football, for example.

I also want to call attention to the fact that complacency and fearfulness in the fanbase are major problems and they explain why we may be stuck with BK even after the likely 3-9 or 4-8 campaign this year.

And don't tell me that I 'haven't been around long enough' to have an opinion about this. Plenty of older fans agree with me.

 

[dad4aa]

I guess you haven't read many of my posts? I frequently provide statistical evidence for claims I make, I often post charts and graphs, etc. I just produced what I thought was pretty strong evidence that academic restrictions are not the main problem facing ND football, for example.

I also want to call attention to the fact that complacency and fearfulness in the fanbase are major problems and they explain why we may be stuck with BK even after the likely 3-9 or 4-8 campaign this year.

And don't tell me that I 'haven't been around long enough' to have an opinion about this. Plenty of older fans agree with me.

That is opinion not fact...nice try.

I will agree with this, but there are many that disagree with you as well. Not sure what "plenty" is in your mind.

 

[philipm31]

I would take Les' tenure at LSU over BK's tenure at ND any day of the week. He won 10+ games 7 times and won a Peach Bowl, a Cotton Bowl, a Sugar Bowl, and a NC. His message just got stale and he ran out of time at LSU. That is the same thing happening to BK now, only Les took the Tigers higher than BK has taken the Irish.

Lou picked at grass. Les ate grass. Both won 10 games multiple time against schedules every bit as tough or tougher than what Kelly has faced in his seven years. I would take what Les did at LSU over BK at ND, easily.

Nobody said that Lou ran a complex offense and he still won bowl games, a NC, and was regularly winning 10+ games regularly at a school where people thought it was impossible to do, for all the same reasons people are still giving today.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Brian Kelly Revisited

Lou picked at grass. Les ate grass. Both won 10 games multiple time against schedules every bit as tough or tougher than what Kelly has faced in his seven years. I would take what Les did at LSU over BK at ND, easily.



Nobody said that Lou ran a complex offense and he still won bowl games, a NC, and was regularly winning 10+ games regularly at a school where people thought it was impossible to do, for all the same reasons people are still giving today.

You forgot one little thing:

Les succeeded the greatest college football coach of all-time, and BK succeeded one of the worst.

Miles started his tenure basically performing maintenance duties, while BK started his trying to build an airplane as it was taking off.

*still no excuses NOW. It's year 7. That is more than enough to time.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

With our academic requirements and other challenges it's going to be pretty hard to steal a HC away from a decent Power 5 program. That leaves OCs and DCs in P5, and HCs from non P5 schools as our pool of candidates unless something out of the norm happens.

Agreed. I think we should strongly consider Paul Johnson or niamatalolo (sp). Weve seen the academies give good teams (Houston, Ohio state, us...) fits with walk on level talent. Imagine that with the resources of ND behind it.

 

[Irish#1]

People mock it.....but Gruden might have the best chance at having a Pete Carrol like impact. Kid's would line up at the door to play for him.

Is Gruden really a name kids will jump at? He's been out of coaching for eight years. I bet a lot of recruits don't really know who he is. Plus he's got a great paying gig without the pressure. I think if he was getting back into coaching he would have done it by now. JMO.

 

[irishff1014]

Agreed. I think we should strongly consider Paul Johnson or niamatalolo (sp). Weve seen the academies give good teams (Houston, Ohio state, us...) fits with walk on level talent. Imagine that with the resources of ND behind it.

I am not trying to knock you, but that offense would not work week in and week out against division 1 schools.

 

[irishff1014]

Is Gruden really a name kids will jump at? He's been out of coaching for eight years. I bet a lot of recruits don't really know who he is. Plus he's got a great paying gig without the pressure. I think if he was getting back into coaching he would have done it by now. JMO.

The only way Gruden coaches again is if espn lets him go.

 

[kmoose]

*still no excuses NOW. It's year 7. That is more than enough to time.

More than enough time for what?

 

[IrishLion]

More than enough time for what?

To not have your season completely implode for any reason haha

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I am not trying to knock you, but that offense would not work week in and week out against division 1 schools.

Why not?

 

[Ndaccountant]

I do believe that Kelly's job is safe. I think Jack likes Kelly and isn't going to pay to coaches this kind of money.

BK is payed well. ND might not be the top paying gig, but it is on the top end. The compensation side of things used to be a hurdle, no longer the case

Jack isn't going to listen college football analyst or read what the fans want on a message board.

This where the fodder on the BVG firing comes in to play. If you believe the side the says BK made the call, then I think you are right. For those who believe Jack made the call....totally different.

Personally, I think this has more to do about Jack's job security than anything else. Outside of football and baseball, ND sports have been strong or have had strong years recently. Add to it the changing shape of college athletics, the need for Jack's services is evident. If Jack isn't feeling the pressure, I don't think he makes the move. That said.....

With that said does anyone think that Kelly can turn this around around with just a good defensive coordinator hire?

I want to believe that, but I just cant. Kelly came out with a game plan to air it out Saturday. It was a disaster. After three drives it was clear to EVERYONE but BK that simply running the ball, while not fancy, is what it would take to win. Not freaking 40 yard post patterns. Then, after the disaster of the 1H and with extra time to come up with something else at the half, we got more passing. It was arrogant, dumbfounding and embarrassing. This encapsulates BK. His refusal to change his colors and his stubbornness on sticking to his game plan until he is down by 3 touchdowns will not go away. His knack for getting out-coached at least 4 times a year is not going away. If he stays and makes a huge DC hire, it won't matter. ND will still have a ceiling with Kelly and it isn't the national championship.

Kelly has done some good things for the program and I think we all appreciate what he has done up until this point. But the time has come to break it off.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

BK is payed well. ND might not be the top paying gig, but it is on the top end. The compensation side of things used to be a hurdle, no longer the case



This where the fodder on the BVG firing comes in to play. If you believe the side the says BK made the call, then I think you are right. For those who believe Jack made the call....totally different.

Personally, I think this has more to do about Jack's job security than anything else. Outside of football and baseball, ND sports have been strong or have had strong years recently. Add to it the changing shape of college athletics, the need for Jack's services is evident. If Jack isn't feeling the pressure, I don't think he makes the move. That said.....



I want to believe that, but I just cant. Kelly came out with a game plan to air it out Saturday. It was a disaster. After three drives it was clear to EVERYONE but BK that simply running the ball, while not fancy, is what it would take to win. Not freaking 40 yard post patterns. Then, after the disaster of the 1H and with extra time to come up with something else at the half, we got more passing. It was arrogant, dumbfounding and embarrassing. This encapsulates BK. His refusal to change his colors and his stubbornness on sticking to his game plan until he is down by 3 touchdowns will not go away. His knack for getting out-coached at least 4 times a year is not going away. If he stays and makes a huge DC hire, it won't matter. ND will still have a ceiling with Kelly and it isn't the national championship.

Kelly has done some good things for the program and I think we all appreciate what he has done up until this point. But the time has come to break it off.

Exactly what is it that we are going to break off?

 

[Free Manera]

Why not?

See Clemson v. Georgia Tech to see what happens when an athletic, powerful front 7 plays against the veer option. If the D line gets push on its own and blows up the FB every play, and fast, agile linebackers are free to take QB and pitch man, it gets ugly fast.

ND would need elite recruiting to make this work, and that is really the big problem. Future NFL players don't want to play in a veer option offense in college.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Exactly what is it that we are going to break off?

His employment status. Note that is what I think should happen, not what I think will happen.

 

[JustinKnows23]

Is Gruden really a name kids will jump at? He's been out of coaching for eight years. I bet a lot of recruits don't really know who he is. Plus he's got a great paying gig without the pressure. I think if he was getting back into coaching he would have done it by now. JMO.

Majority of the kids watch Monday Night football. I'd imagine they would know who he is and they would know he used to coach obviously.

He has a pretty sweet gig at ESPN and it's really not as stressful as being a head coach in the NFL or a head coach at the college level.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I'd like John Harbaugh. Biscotti is a big ND fan, too.

 

[Kingbish01]

Urban Meyer will coach ND to their next National Championship. It might not be for another 10+ years. But I really believe his career will play out like this. He wins a few more at OSU, he gets sick of OSU (like he did UF). He realizes that his name will ALWAYS follow Sabans and the only way he can maybe pass him is to bring ND football back. He comes to ND, and they bend to his every request because the realize they can't win it all with the way NCAA football landscape has changed. Urban wins one for ND......maybe two and then calls it quits as the greatest college coach of all time.

 

[PLACforever]

Urban Meyer will coach ND to their next National Championship. It might not be for another 10+ years. But I really believe his career will play out like this. He wins a few more at OSU, he gets sick of OSU (like he did UF). He realizes that his name will ALWAYS follow Sabans and the only way he can maybe pass him is to bring ND football back. He comes to ND, and they bend to his every request because the realize they can't win it all with the way NCAA football landscape has changed. Urban wins one for ND......maybe two and then calls it quits as the greatest college coach of all time.

I love every word of that post.

I feel like I should be tucked into bed before Morgan Freeman reads it to me though.

 

[kmoose]

Urban Meyer will coach ND to their next National Championship. It might not be for another 10+ years. But I really believe his career will play out like this. He wins a few more at OSU, he gets sick of OSU (like he did UF). He realizes that his name will ALWAYS follow Sabans and the only way he can maybe pass him is to bring ND football back. He comes to ND, and they bend to his every request because the realize they can't win it all with the way NCAA football landscape has changed. Urban wins one for ND......maybe two and then calls it quits as the greatest college coach of all time.

You should stop hitting the crack pipe before noon. ND's Administration is responsible for the entire University, not just the football program. And, unlike many of us, their focus is where it should be. They will never turn over the "brand" to ANY football coach.

 

[Irish#1]

Majority of the kids watch Monday Night football. I'd imagine they would know who he is and they would know he used to coach obviously.

He has a pretty sweet gig at ESPN and it's really not as stressful as being a head coach in the NFL or a head coach at the college level.

I'm not sure they do. MNF ratings are pretty low and have been for quite a few years now. I would imagine that Gruden has a clause that will allow him to step away from ESPN if he wanted to coach.

Regardless, it's time for a change.

 

[irishff1014]

Why not?

It won't work. It will be hard to get those kind of players that want to play in that offense. The oline would have to slim down and against good dlines they are toast. and more than like our QB will be shaky at best throwing the ball.

 

[irishff1014]

Urban Meyer will coach ND to their next National Championship. It might not be for another 10+ years. But I really believe his career will play out like this. He wins a few more at OSU, he gets sick of OSU (like he did UF). He realizes that his name will ALWAYS follow Sabans and the only way he can maybe pass him is to bring ND football back. He comes to ND, and they bend to his every request because the realize they can't win it all with the way NCAA football landscape has changed. Urban wins one for ND......maybe two and then calls it quits as the greatest college coach of all time.

Urban Meyer will never be the head coach at ND.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Urban Meyer will never coach at ND.

He already has......

 

[rocket66]

I can't defend him anymore. Things are going South quick with BK, the media, and former players and it'll continue to get worse as the L's pile up. I'm sure Jack is already planning on the change behind closed doors. It's time.


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[Kingbish01]

You should stop hitting the crack pipe before noon. ND's Administration is responsible for the entire University, not just the football program. And, unlike many of us, their focus is where it should be. They will never turn over the "brand" to ANY football coach.

If you think ND is happy with going on 30 years since the last Heisman and National Championship you my friend are smoking crack. I'd bet my left testicle right now, that if Urban called Jack and said "I'm ready to put you guys back on the map" Jack would change the locks on Kelly's office while he was at lunch. You do realize that if we let 50 years go by without winning a championship we will be the new Army....Good 50 years ago and now just blah.

Although my original post was half joking, if Urban wanted to really become a "Legend" than he can do one of two things. One of them is stay at OSU and keep winning, the other is go to ND and make them relevant year in and year out. The next coach that does that at ND will have a statue built. And it's not a guy that loses 7 games in year 7.

And serious ?...What makes Meyer so terrible?? Some real nonsense has gone on at ND under BK watch. What makes him so much better than Meyer?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Brian Kelly Revisited

If you think ND is happy with going on 30 years since the last Heisman and National Championship you my friend are smoking crack. I'd bet my left testicle right now, that if Urban called Jack and said "I'm ready to put you guys back on the map" Jack would change the locks on Kelly's office while he was at lunch. You do realize that if we let 50 years go by without winning a championship we will be the new Army....Good 50 years ago and now just blah.



Although my original post was half joking, if Urban wanted to really become a "Legend" than he can do one of two things. One of them is stay at OSU and keep winning, the other is go to ND and make them relevant year in and year out. The next coach that does that at ND will have a statue built. And it's not a guy that loses 7 games in year 7.



And serious ?...What makes Meyer so terrible?? Some real nonsense has gone on at ND under BK watch. What makes him so much better than Meyer?

1. Meyer is already a legend
2. Meyer has a 100% chance of getting a statue at OSU, and a 99% of getting one at UF (that won't come until years after retirement when he patches things up with the Gators, but it will happen)
3. Meyer is smart enough to stay where a title is attainable. He wouldn't come to ND for all of King Midas's silver

 

[Kingbish01]

1. Meyer is already a legend
2. Meyer has a 100% chance of getting a statue at OSU, and a 99% of getting one at UF (that won't come until years after retirement when he patches things up there with the Gators, but it will happen)
3. Meyer is smart enough to stay where a title is attainable. He wouldn't come to ND for all of King Midas's silver

1.) I agree, although he is Frazier and Saban is Ali
2.) All sounds great, but a statue at ND trumps all.
3.) BK did a great job at moving ND in the direction it needs to be going in order to win a Championship. Urban was very smart not to come to South Bend in '05 but coming in 2020 would make all the sense in the world. Especially if he has nothing else to prove in Columbus. I know a few winners (in life) and sometimes it's more about the ego to show the world they can accomplish something when most failed. Urban can and would win at ND. And I disagree, if you think (after his run at OSU) that he wouldn't consider ND as his final act.