Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[bkess8]

Ok I'lll bite... I will address all in bold.

Choose one:

Chip Kelly (If he gets fired) Not coming to ND
Tom Herman We don't have enough money
Bobby Petrino If he leave Louisville it will be for LSU not ND
Chris Petersen Did you watch Washington play today? They are a well coached football team, why leave that to rebuild here?
PJ Fleck I can see this is a weak possibility but if this is our first choice why not ride out BK for another season?
Bryan Harsin Another weak possibility, if we choose him wouldn't it feel like we settled for the same we have now?
Les Miles I don't think we can land Les honestly
Brent Venables He would be in my Top 5
Jeremy Pruitt Top 5
Matt Patricia Are you just throwing names out there? Hes not leaving the NFL.
Todd Bowles (If he gets fired) Funny... Next
Jon Gruden See Todd Bowles
Brett Bielema You would want him to represent this University?
Willie Taggart Next
Jim Mora Jr. You would want him to represent this University?
Greg Schiano This could be possible
Kyle Whittingham Top 5
Justin Fuente Hes not leave VT
Dana Holgorsen I don't think this is realistic either. He benefits from no recruiting restrictions at WVU
Gary Patterson He's not leaving TCU for us.
Paul Chryst You think he's going to leave Wisconsin his Alma mater for ND
Mark Dantonio See Todd Bowles
David Shaw See Todd Bowles
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze See JMJ and D Holgorsen
Sean Payton (If he gets fired) See Todd Bowles
Phill Montgomery 2nd Tier Coach IMO not ready for ND caliber job yet
Art Briles Not entertaining this one
Jedd FischNot sure hes ready for a HC gig yet.

Ok so I will give you some of favorite candidates not in any order.

Jeremy Pruitt
Kyle Whittingham
Brent Venables
Dave Aranda
Charlie Strong
Lincoln Riley
Mike Sanford

 

[GATTACA!]

Ok I'lll bite... I will address all in bold.



Ok so I will give you some of favorite candidates not in any order.

Jeremy Pruitt Good
Kyle Whittingham Seems like a lateral move from Kelly
Brent Venables Good
Dave Aranda Great
Charlie Strong Has done nothing at Texas that would make me interested in bringing him here. There's a reason he's about to be fired.
Lincoln Riley Meh
Mike Sanford I don't think he's ready

I don't think money is the reason we couldn't get Herman.

I think we could get Les if we wanted him. ND is going to be better than any of the offers he's going to get this offseason. ND is better than a middle of the road SEC gig, and I don't see Texas USC or Oregon offering him.

I could also see Petersen being a possibility. He's only making like 3.4 million per season which we could exceed. Plus it's Washington.

 

[ulukinatme]

I honestly don't think Whittingham would come. He might do well here, but he seems very tied to the Mormon region. He's coached at three locations since 1985: BYU, Idaho State, and Utah. He's been at Utah since '94, and has been HC since '05. He's been suggested for jobs in recent years, but he seems content on staying in Utah. That must be his comfort zone, something to do with his LDS background possibly, I dunno.

 

[andre784]

Brian Kelly will most likely be removed in DEC. Texas and ND fight for Les Miles might end up going down.

 

[NOLAIrish]

I don't think money is the reason we couldn't get Herman.

I think we could get Les if we wanted him. ND is going to be better than any of the offers he's going to get this offseason. ND is better than a middle of the road SEC gig, and I don't see Texas USC or Oregon offering him.

I could also see Petersen being a possibility. He's only making like 3.4 million per season which we could exceed. Plus it's Washington.

Brian Kelly will most likely be removed in DEC. Texas and ND fight for Les Miles might end up going down.

Honestly, if we replace BK with Les Miles, I'm out until he's fired and we make it through the first few years of the subsequent rebuild of the flaming wreckage he leaves behind. He's possibly the worst gameday coach I've seen at a major program and he's an overrated recruiter. I'm not saying he's a bad recruiter -- his pre-LSU history shows you he's not -- but he's never really had to recruit nationally in his career and LSU will make anybody look lake Dabo. Honestly, I could put together a top-5 recruiting class at LSU. And I wouldn't need to leave the state. Worse than that, though, few major program coaches fail to develop talent on Les's level, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Other than that, I'm all aboard Team Lesticles.

 

[ickythump1225]

Honestly, if we replace BK with Les Miles, I'm out until he's fired and we make it through the first few years of the subsequent rebuild of the flaming wreckage he leaves behind. He's possibly the worst gameday coach I've seen at a major program and he's an overrated recruiter. I'm not saying he's a bad recruiter -- his pre-LSU history shows you he's not -- but he's never really had to recruit nationally in his career and LSU will make anybody look lake Dabo. Honestly, I could put together a top-5 recruiting class at LSU. And I wouldn't need to leave the state. Worse than that, though, few major program coaches fail to develop talent on Les's level, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Other than that, I'm all aboard Team Lesticles.

I would take Les' tenure at LSU over BK's tenure at ND any day of the week. He won 10+ games 7 times and won a Peach Bowl, a Cotton Bowl, a Sugar Bowl, and a NC. His message just got stale and he ran out of time at LSU. That is the same thing happening to BK now, only Les took the Tigers higher than BK has taken the Irish.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I wonder what the reaction on this board would be if the 6th ranked Irish got curb stomped and let up 46 points to Navy? There isn't any savior out there. Though he enrages me with his stubborn BS, we were told a few years back that competing for a Championship every 4 years is acceptable. This season is killing me.

 

[PLACforever]

I would take Les' tenure at LSU over BK's tenure at ND any day of the week. He won 10+ games 7 times and won a Peach Bowl, a Cotton Bowl, a Sugar Bowl, and a NC. His message just got stale and he ran out of time at LSU. That is the same thing happening to BK now, only Les took the Tigers higher than BK has taken the Irish.

^this.
And BK hasn't had to face Saban every year since 2007. ND's schedule is pretty tough most years, but playing in a conference, in the same division as Bama, BK would have faired much worst.

 

[Free Manera]

I don't think money is the reason we couldn't get Herman.

I think we could get Les if we wanted him. ND is going to be better than any of the offers he's going to get this offseason. ND is better than a middle of the road SEC gig, and I don't see Texas USC or Oregon offering him.

I could also see Petersen being a possibility. He's only making like 3.4 million per season which we could exceed. Plus it's Washington.

It's Washington which Peterson loves. From every college football talking head he is a Pacific NW guy. He turned down the USC job for Pete's sake. Everyone needs to forget about Peterson. Not coming.

 

[irishff1014]

It's Washington which Peterson loves. From every college football talking head he is a Pacific NW guy. He turned down the USC job for Pete's sake. Everyone needs to forget about Peterson. Not coming.

Thank god he did! He is a very good coach.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Brian Kelly will most likely be removed in DEC. Texas and ND fight for Les Miles might end up going down.

Les Miles is a terribly cultural fit at ND. He's inarticulate, permissive, and a Michigan man. I like him in a "Crazy Uncle Joe Biden" kind of way, but it's not happening.

 

[Free Manera]

I think the vast majority of the fan base would be happy with Herman, Patterson, Peterson, Gruden, or Meyer. However it is so improbable that one of these would take the job that I don't think they are even worth discussing. These candidates would be improbable even if ND were the only P5 opening this year. With Texas, LSU and maybe USC looking, ND has no chance.

Therefore if we want to have a realistic conversation then we should be talking about either coordinators, unemployed former head coaches, or FCS/G5 coaches (besides Herman). I would be interested in a guy like Venables or Aranda because at least you could count on a well-coached defense.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

In fairness Kelly is dealing with a ton of weather related incidents right now. This is a different looking team if everyone is healthy. Depth needs to be better however.

FIFY

 

[Bogtrotter07]

With Tommy Reese as your QB, Joe Schmidt as your go to guy on defense, dealing with team Revo et al and Van Gorder as your DC that's actually pretty good.

Kelly has admitted that he blew it with Crist; which eliminates most of the Tommy Reese reference, and if Kelly a) had never hired, or b) have gotten rid of BVG when he should have, there would have been no Joe Schmidt situation, either.

And Jaylon Smith wouldn't have been misused.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I don't get it. What injuries?


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That's okay!

Some people use italics, some people don't.

 

[Irishcop]

I saw an article yesterday talking about possible replacements for Kelly. The DC from Ohio State was one of them, his last name escapes me. Steve, I think he was the head coach at BC before. Ohio State plays so pretty good defense. The article said Layne Kiffen, don't see that happening, but who knows.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

But who did he blame other than himself and the coaches after today?


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This week doesn't count because as the 'AL LESAR' says, [to paraphrase] Kelly is ambling between depression and despondence, with all the street fighter crap done kicked out of him. (Kelly, not Lesar; Lesar is just about as pussified as they come.)

So. I agree. This last week he didn't blame anyone. But that is far from taking responsibility.

Taking responsibility after MSU would have been not dumping DeShone under the bus.

Of course with interactions and changes, stakes become greater.

Now taking responsibility looks like resigning.

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So if the level of responsibility for Kelly is resignation, (or even close) all eyes turn to Jack Swarbrick. His competent management is required to save the program gains of the last seven years.

When Kelly said the decision to save ND from the BVG was all his, that conflicted with an underground current; one that many people picked up on. I believe Kelly was put on a strict plan. I also believe Saturday was cause for firing Kelly. And I believe it will get worse.

I still believe

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think the vast majority of the fan base would be happy with Herman, Patterson, Peterson, Gruden, or Meyer. However it is so improbable that one of these would take the job that I don't think they are even worth discussing. These candidates would be improbable even if ND were the only P5 opening this year. With Texas, LSU and maybe USC looking, ND has no chance.

Therefore if we want to have a realistic conversation then we should be talking about either coordinators, unemployed former head coaches, or FCS/G5 coaches (besides Herman). I would be interested in a guy like Venables or Aranda because at least you could count on a well-coached defense.

Fire Kelly, promote Denbrock, with the understanding that Mike Stanford is truly the OC. Bring in a young successful DC, or make Hudson DC with Elston.

What is worse about that than what we have?

 

[koonja]

I'll offer one and only one post this week. This is the best available with likelihood factored in. MIKE Sumlin.

 

[koonja]

My best case is giving Sanford the gig. Call it interim if you want and see how it goes after hiring a decent DC

 

[Irish Insanity]

Based on message board/Facebook posts in ND related pages, 95% of the fanbase has turned on him. It wasnt like that a short time ago. Losing is part of it, but I think his response in blaming is what has done it.

It's likely he's lost the team as well.

I think Kelly has probably run his course at ND. But a couple of things:

1. He should, and most likely will, get to coach out the rest of this season.

2. Let's maintain some perspective: Kelly is a good coach, his record is absolutely proof of this, so let's quit talking like the guy is incompetent or is purposely tanking games.

3. Kelly did not throw anyone under the bus, and the players have to take ALL of the responsibility for not being able to execute the most basic of football functions like a snap. Kelly can take the fall for the game plan, but the players have to execute.

1. Absolutely.
2. Absolutely. Sometimes in life a change is good for both parties. I think this is the case. He'll be greatly successful, just not here.
3. It just doesn't look like the players are invested anymore. Not just because he's not player friendly anymore, but I can't imagine them buying into that game plan knowing what the weather was going to be. It's hard to be successful at something when you simply don't believe.

 

[Free Manera]

I think the vast majority of the fan base would be happy with Herman, Patterson, Peterson, Gruden, or Meyer. However it is so improbable that one of these would take the job that I don't think they are even worth discussing. These candidates would be improbable even if ND were the only P5 opening this year. With Texas, LSU and maybe USC looking, ND has no chance.

Therefore if we want to have a realistic conversation then we should be talking about either coordinators, unemployed former head coaches, or FCS/G5 coaches (besides Herman). I would be interested in a guy like Venables or Aranda because at least you could count on a well-coached defense.

Fire Kelly, promote Denbrock, with the understanding that Mike Stanford is truly the OC. Bring in a young successful DC, or make Hudson DC with Elston.

What is worse about that than what we have?

My thinking is that to get an elite defensive mind, like Venables or Aranda, we would need to offer them the head job.

 

[tko]

My thinking is that to get an elite defensive mind, like Venables or Aranda, we would need to offer them the head job.

Very much agree. I can't see a scenario where either one of these two sign up to work alongside Kelly.

 

[Free Manera]

I'll offer one and only one post this week. This is the best available with likelihood factored in. MIKE Sumlin.

My best case is giving Sanford the gig. Call it interim if you want and see how it goes after hiring a decent DC

Time flies when you're having fun, your weeks are only 3 minutes long!

I think Sumlin outside of a fertile recruiting ground (to stockpile defensive talent) is just Brian Kelly 2.0. Offense-minded coach that runs a quick strike air raid offense. His D is actually pretty good this year, but he can just walk outside and harvest those Texas 4 and 5 star kids that want to play in the SEC. Can't do that at ND.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My thinking is that to get an elite defensive mind, like Venables or Aranda, we would need to offer them the head job.

I agree that that is the most likely situation and best solution.

But based on so many top jobs being open this year, and us not being able to entice top talent, or that top DC talent may make top Head Coaching talent, I am proposing an alternative.

Because the longer Kelly stays, the worse things will get.

Remember, once Kelly hit D1, which he stated was a different animal, Kelly's longest stay has been three years.

 

[tko]

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Dead Man Walking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tko]

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Dead Man Walking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brian Kelly on his way to the Tuesday presser.

 

[NDRock]

Time flies when you're having fun, your weeks are only 3 minutes long!

I think Sumlin outside of a fertile recruiting ground (to stockpile defensive talent) is just Brian Kelly 2.0. Offense-minded coach that runs a quick strike air raid offense. His D is actually pretty good this year, but he can just walk outside and harvest those Texas 4 and 5 star kids that want to play in the SEC. Can't do that at ND.

He's got a great DC in Chavis. The hiring and retention of BVG looks to be the undoing of Kelly at ND. It sucks because I still think Kelly could have been consistently very good here if things went a little differently.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm done with BK, game plan was inexcusable yesterday. Line up over center and run the damn ball to minimize errors THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN THOSE CONDITIONS. First three plays of the game were designed pass plays - all downhill from there. And defense gets no credit in this mess of a game - Matthew was the 12, 13 and 14th man on the field all day.

Offense has great opportunities and moved backwards, literally, for the entire third quarter. Running the ball over center minimizes negative plays that put us out of FG range and destroyed drives all day.

 

[RDU Irish]

Best situation would be for BK to take Texas or LSU and GTFO.