Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[phgreek]

Have you seen our defensive backfield?

Seriously though, we returned, what, three or four starters on defense. Four or five on offense. We did not roll out a team of battle-tested veterans.

Yea...still thought we had some quality snaps out of the O and D lines...as well as Running backs going into 2016...I thought that would carry this team...ERRRRRR. Wrong answer.

 

[scUM Hater]

It's not like we put a team of freshman in the field.

11.....ELEVEN....11.....TRUE FRESHMAN PLAYED AGAINST SYRACUSE ALONE, I DIDN'T CHECK THE NUMBER AGAINST NC STATE

 

[scUM Hater]

I would like a feel of those, who want Kelly gone, who they want for head coach.

 

[ickythump1225]

It's not just that he doesn't win 'big' games. It's that he rarely wins against good team and often loses ones we shouldn't. And if we do win, it's often far closer than it ever should be.

Yes, exactly. Outside of UMass last year have we truly molly whopped a team we should in a while? Even 2012 was full of close, frustrating wins (but it was because it was year 3 and we were actually winning).

In 7 years, every top 30 team is going to have some 'good wins' over a decade of a struggling USC, an overrated Oklahoma, and an overrated Utah (that finished unranked IIRC?).

Relatively speaking, BK does not win big games. He hasn't, he's just had a lot of chances and never wins the big one.

If in 7 years your hanging our hat on beating USC while they're in the dumps, or an overrated Oklahoma and Utah team, you're either a bad coach or a non-P5 team.

Utah finished 9-3, and their final showing was a non-competitive beat down by Boise St. in the bowl game, Lost 26-3.

Oklahoma finished 9-3, with a whooping of AM in their bowl game. Lost 41-13.

These were not 'big wins', they're just the best he's got...

Exactly. Think of the bad losses we've had in that time frame. Northwestern in 2014 stands out. Duke this year. Nevada in 2010 or 11 (I forget at the moment). By the end of the year giving up 600 yards of offense and 50 points while losing to Texas is going to look awful.

I recall a conversation either earlier in this thread or another thread about all programs being vulnerable to the "rollercoaster effect" of CFB. Every program has had a lot of ups and downs in the BCS era, this is true. The difference is other top shelf programs ups are higher than ours without being as low as ours.

Florida has gone through some rough times but also won 2 NCs and at least 1 Sugar Bowl in the BCS era. Auburn has seen tumultuous ups and downs but captured a NC and was extremely close to another. FSU has won a title. Oregon has been to two NCG and won BCS bowls. OSU has 2 NCs in the BCS era. Michigan is primed to make a big run.

Every time ND goes up against the elite in CFB it ends poorly on our part. Outside of Oklahoma, when is the last time we beat a blue blood program at a time when they were relatively good?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Yes, exactly. Outside of UMass last year have we truly molly whopped a team we should in a while? Even 2012 was full of close, frustrating wins (but it was because it was year 3 and we were actually winning).





Exactly. Think of the bad losses we've had in that time frame. Northwestern in 2014 stands out. Duke this year. Nevada in 2010 or 11 (I forget at the moment). By the end of the year giving up 600 yards of offense and 50 points while losing to Texas is going to look awful.



I recall a conversation either earlier in this thread or another thread about all programs being vulnerable to the "rollercoaster effect" of CFB. Every program has had a lot of ups and downs in the BCS era, this is true. The difference is other top shelf programs ups are higher than ours without being as low as ours.



Florida has gone through some rough times but also won 2 NCs and at least 1 Sugar Bowl in the BCS era. Auburn has seen tumultuous ups and downs but captured a NC and was extremely close to another. FSU has won a title. Oregon has been to two NCG and won BCS bowls. OSU has 2 NCs in the BCS era. Michigan is primed to make a big run.



Every time ND goes up against the elite in CFB it ends poorly on our part. Outside of Oklahoma, when is the last time we beat a blue blood program at a time when they were relatively good?

We have never ever ever ever lost to Nevada, not sure what you are talking about.

Also you said Notre Dame has not beat down a team other than UMASS. What do you consider the 39-10 win over Nevada this year?

Beating blue blood programs Michigan in 2012 and 2014. Beat USC in 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2015. Beat LSU in bowl game in 2014.


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[Buster Bluth]

Exhibit A:

2016 ND Record Prediction Poll

38% of fans on this site believed we would/should win 11 or 12 games.

78% believed we would win at least 10.

78% of us thought the defense would just have to be between 50th-30th to allow the offense to win most games.

Instead they're 2-4 with what was the 101st ranked defense, before the hurricane helped statistics.

That's the only difference.

 

[IrishinSyria]

His presser is live now, his sport coat is making me lose faith

 

[stlnd01]

We have never ever ever ever lost to Nevada, not sure what you are talking about.

Also you said Notre Dame has not beat down a team other than UMASS. What do you consider the 39-10 win over Nevada this year?

Beating blue blood programs Michigan in 2012 and 2014. Beat USC in 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2015. Beat LSU in bowl game in 2014.

I suspect he meant South Florida in 2011. They're basically Nevada, except probably with better talent..
As for wins over blue bloods, don't know if Michigan State qualifies, but they've been better than Michigan or USC in the Kelly era and he's beaten them three times.

 

[IrishLax]

In 7 years, every top 30 team is going to have some 'good wins' over a decade of a struggling USC, an overrated Oklahoma, and an overrated Utah (that finished unranked IIRC?).

Relatively speaking, BK does not win big games. He hasn't, he's just had a lot of chances and never wins the big one.

If in 7 years your hanging our hat on beating USC while they're in the dumps, or an overrated Oklahoma and Utah team, you're either a bad coach or a non-P5 team.

Utah finished 9-3, and their final showing was a non-competitive beat down by Boise St. in the bowl game, Lost 26-3.

Oklahoma finished 9-3, with a whooping of AM in their bowl game. Lost 41-13.

These were not 'big wins', they're just the best he's got...

Wow, that is dumb. Oklahoma was ranked 9th in the country in F/+... if you think going on the road and beating an eventual Power Five conference champ in a prime time game while undefeated issn't a "big win" then big wins don't exist.

Texas A&M finished second to Bama in advanced stats, btw. We were 6th. Kansas State 5, Stanford 8. So Oklahoma's three losses were to teams ranked 2nd, 5th, and 6th in advanced stats. They beat everyone else.

 

[Circa]

I thought playoffs were likely, largely due to having an elite QB and a winnable schedule. MSU and Stanford - our two biggest worries - are turning out to not be that good... This was the season.

What If the Qb isn't as "elite" as the status quo? What If they did give him the Cam Newton, Johnny Football package and he's just not there yet.. Maybe after averaging 40 a game and then losing 2 of the first 3 was a defensive young guy situation?
I mean, could we look any further into losing high-quality personnel?


In my mind, Brian Kelly should do this to the morons of fandom...

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[IrishLax]

Exhibit A:

2016 ND Record Prediction Poll

38% of fans on this site believed we would/should win 11 or 12 games.

78% believed we would win at least 10.

Got me thinking, so I went and pulled my prediction posts:

Team is going to be so bad this year.

I'm legitimately worried about the OL. I have full faith in Bars, Nelson, and McGlinchey being effective players but the next two in are unknown quantities. You're replacing two elite players in Stanley and Martin, one of whom called the protections. If the OL takes a step back, it will sabotage the whole offense.

The QB competition also has potential to sabotage the offense in a completely different way.

I think the defense is going to be an abomination unless BVG completely changes what he does on standard down & distance and we stay perfectly healthy... the odds of either of those happening seem slim to none.

The schedule, on paper, seems super easy so I guess 9 wins is still possible.

9-3, maybe worse. Offense possible takes a step back due to new faces on the OL and losing playmakers like Fuller and Prosise. Also, QB competitions always scare me. Defense looks horrendous on paper.

There's a scenario where the offense is so good on account of Kizer's ascendance and the improvement of Adams/Williams that it doesn't matter if the defense struggles... but it's hard for me to see that happening. I agree that the schedule looks juicy.

Pretty close... you know, minus the fact that we're about to go 4-8 instead of 9-3... it's so sad that my version of "bad" was still 8 to 9 wins against a soft schedule... SMH.

 

[Irish#1]

We were preseason top ten with a favorable schedule. But anyone who thought we were a legit playoff team this year - with so much youth at so many positions - might have been overserved on the Kool Aid.

BVG was a mistake for sure. It has become apparent how important CJ, Jaylon, Will, and Stanley were to this team. That is a lot of talent to replace. Also, DK finished his first season and it wasn't a full season. I think some expected him to come out and play like Andrew Luck. The fact of the matter is, DK is still learning the position. He's going to continue to make some mistakes.

 

[phgreek]

My caveat going in was the Oline allowing for a run game so DK and new receivers could survive inconsistencies, and a serviceable defense.

So far I 0 ferd on my wish list...

 

[gkIrish]

Got me thinking, so I went and pulled my prediction posts:





Pretty close... you know, minus the fact that we're about to go 4-8 instead of 9-3... it's so sad that my version of "bad" was still 8 to 9 wins against a soft schedule... SMH.

I think we go 6-0 before losing to Stanford in a close one. We have a chance at the playoffs before losing to USC.

So basically a similar season to 2015. I do think we win a bowl game though.

lolololololololol at me

 

[ThePiombino]

That's a trickledown effect of BK's business approach to everything including game days. I completely disagree with it on the collegiate level, but it's what he does. He's not going to change who he is.

When he shows emotion, he gets lambasted. When he's all business, he gets lambasted. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't is what BK is.

 

[Irish Insanity]

When he shows emotion, he gets lambasted. When he's all business, he gets lambasted. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't is what BK is.

Considering the only emotion he shows is negative, I get it. When's the last time he's had an outburst of positive emotion towards the team that we've seen? Not 2 Saturdays ago either. It was scripted. It looked fake. He mentioned it earlier in the week and the damn broadcast didn't stop talking about it. Panning the sidelines trying to point it out every other play. It was pathetic.

 

[IrishLion]

lolololololololol at me

I'm gonna start a Notre Dame fan-fiction club.

11-1, and we sweat out the final Playoff Ranking show hoping we don't get screwed, until we all realize that we're a bunch of silly gooses, and that the committee isn't gonna pass up on a viable ND in the playoffs if there's a reasonable argument.

We then beat scUM in the semis by three scores, and edge [SEC Champ] in the final for our long-awaited natty. BK gets his statue.

IT'S KOOL-AID TIME, BITCHES.

Kool-aid time was fun for a quick minute, bitches.

 

[kmoose]

Considering the only emotion he shows is negative, I get it. When's the last time he's had an outburst of positive emotion towards the team that we've seen? Not 2 Saturdays ago either. It was scripted. It looked fake. He mentioned it earlier in the week and the damn broadcast didn't stop talking about it. Panning the sidelines trying to point it out every other play. It was pathetic.

Watch the first 2 minutes or so of this..........

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Actually, you should watch the whole thing, but I think the first couple of minutes speaks to your issue with Kelly.

 

[PANDFAN]

Considering the only emotion he shows is negative, I get it. When's the last time he's had an outburst of positive emotion towards the team that we've seen? Not 2 Saturdays ago either. It was scripted. It looked fake. He mentioned it earlier in the week and the damn broadcast didn't stop talking about it. Panning the sidelines trying to point it out every other play. It was pathetic.

the last time i can remember him smiling and being happy was the win over stanford in 2012

 

[irishff1014]

When he shows emotion, he gets lambasted. When he's all business, he gets lambasted. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't is what BK is.

I would agree with this.

 

[tko]

I miss the days of the Michigan State halftime talk in 2012.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Onwualu on Brian Kelly blaming players: “Obviously we don’t love seeing that from a head coach but sometimes it’s necessary I guess."</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/786244388989050880">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McGlinchey: "I don’t think it’s necessary for Coach Kelly to start apologizing to anyone on this football team."</p>— Matt Jones (@BGI_MattJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_MattJones/status/786248772162650112">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[PANDFAN]

THANK YOU!!!!

THANK YOU!!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McGlinchey said Brian Kelly didn’t need to apologize to the team last week. Also said he doesn’t believe Kelly blames players for losses.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/786249408883064832">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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"We know he isn't blaming us. He would do that to our face, as he's done in the past when we screw up. We don't look at him as blaming us. We runs the program unbelievably well. He takes care of us better than I could imagine anyone doing. We're 2-4. Everyone is emotional."

 

[Irish Insanity]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Onwualu on Brian Kelly blaming players: &#147;Obviously we don&#146;t love seeing that from a head coach but sometimes it&#146;s necessary I guess."</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/786244388989050880">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McGlinchey said Brian Kelly didn’t need to apologize to the team last week. Also said he doesn’t believe Kelly blames players for losses.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/786249408883064832">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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"We know he isn't blaming us. He would do that to our face, as he's done in the past when we screw up. We don't look at him as blaming us. We runs the program unbelievably well. He takes care of us better than I could imagine anyone doing. We're 2-4. Everyone is emotional."

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kizer asked about Kelly blaming players: "Blame is definitely not the word.” Said it’s tough when BK calls you out, but it’s a challenge.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/786257395299287044">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[ND NYC]

anyone willing to give me odds on a vbucks bet that we run he table from here on out?

 

[kmoose]

Can we put the "Brian Kelly has lost the team" banter to bed, now?

 

[gkIrish]

anyone willing to give me odds on a vbucks bet that we run he table from here on out?

I'll bet you anything you want that doesn't happen.

 

[gkIrish]

Can we put the "Brian Kelly has lost the team" banter to bed, now?

Wait so you think players are going to publicly throw their coach under the bus?

And what part of the Onwualu quote do you view as positive?