Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[ND NYC]

I'll bet you anything you want that doesn't happen.

how about all your vbucks vs all my vbucks?

 

[kmoose]

Wait so you think players are going to publicly throw their coach under the bus?

And what part of the Onwualu quote do you view as positive?

What part of McGlinchey's and Kizer's do you view as supporting that BK has lost the team? He sure as hell doesn't seem to have lost those two.

 

[gkIrish]

how about all your vbucks vs all my vbucks?

Seems fair, Sure.

What part of McGlinchey's and Kizer's do you view as supporting that BK has lost the team? He sure as hell doesn't seem to have lost those two.

Again, do you think a player answering a question about his coach is likely to throw said coach under the bus?

The fact that we even have 1 player who publicly essentially said "Well I don't like what coach did but uh well uh I guess it might be necessary" is EXTREMELY disturbing. That tells me BK has lost some of the players.

 

[koonja]

Can we put the "Brian Kelly has lost the team" banter to bed, now?

What part of McGlinchey's and Kizer's do you view as supporting that BK has lost the team? He sure as hell doesn't seem to have lost those two.

If you take everything said on camera/in interview at face value without applying context or reading between the lines, the Presidential Debate must be a roller coaster for you.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Onwualu on Brian Kelly’s accountability, ”He’s a 2-4 coach as well."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/786243892098244608">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Rocket89]

Kelly's Top Wins According to F/+ Nat'l Rankings

MSU, 2013- 6
Stanford, 2012- 8
Oklahoma, 2012- 9
USC, 2013- 11
ASU, 2013- 13
MSU, 2011- 14
USC, 2015- 17
Stanford, 2014- 18
BYU, 2012- 18
Pitt, 2010- 19
MSU, 2012- 20
Navy, 2015- 21
LSU, 2014- 22
Miami, 2010- 24
USC, 2010- 25
Michigan, 2012- 25
USC, 2012- 26
BYU, 2013- 30
Utah, 2010- 32

That should give some context to the "big wins" discussions.

Just imagine what could've been achieved if our hardened student athletes didn't have their poor feelings hurt by their meanie head coach.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Kelly's Top Wins According to F/+ Nat'l Rankings

MSU, 2013- 6
Stanford, 2012- 8
Oklahoma, 2012- 9
USC, 2013- 11
ASU, 2013- 13
MSU, 2011- 14
USC, 2015- 17
Stanford, 2014- 18
BYU, 2012- 18
Pitt, 2010- 19
MSU, 2012- 20
Navy, 2015- 21
LSU, 2014- 22
Miami, 2010- 24
USC, 2010- 25
Michigan, 2012- 25
USC, 2012- 26
BYU, 2013- 30
Utah, 2010- 32

That should give some context to the "big wins" discussions.

Just imagine what could've been achieved if our hardened student athletes didn't have their poor feelings hurt by their meanie head coach.

Good list. I got distracted earlier and forgot to post mine. It was similar.

 

[kmoose]

The fact that we even have 1 player who publicly essentially said "Well I don't like what coach did but uh well uh I guess it might be necessary" is EXTREMELY disturbing. That tells me BK has lost some of the players.

Boy, nothing screams "He's lost me!" like saying, "I don't like what he did." Did you play any team sports past grade school? Ever been a part of a team (sports or otherwise) that was trying to accomplish something meaningful?

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Onwualu on Brian Kelly’s accountability, ”He’s a 2-4 coach as well."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/786243892098244608">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I interpret this in two different ways, and I'm not sure which is right. I think I have a pretty good idea, but not 100%

1. James is clapping back at BK on behalf of the players, some of whom I'm sure are frustrated with the coaching.

2. James is repeating the "I'm a 2-4 coach" line that BK used in his past two pressers, as I'm sure BK also said it when addressing the team. So he's recycling BK's own self-criticism, in pseudo-support of BK in a roundabout way.

 

[gkIrish]

Wait so you think players are going to publicly throw their coach under the bus?

Again, do you think a player answering a question about his coach is likely to throw said coach under the bus?

Boy, nothing screams "He's lost me!" like saying, "I don't like what he did." Did you play any team sports past grade school? Ever been a part of a team (sports or otherwise) that was trying to accomplish something meaningful?

kmoose after being asked a question he can't simply answer honestly because it undermines his flawed, over-the-top point.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I interpret this in two different ways, and I'm not sure which is right. I think I have a pretty good idea, but not 100%

1. James is clapping back at BK on behalf of the players, some of whom I'm sure are frustrated with the coaching.

2. James is repeating the "I'm a 2-4 coach" line that BK used in his past two pressers, as I'm sure BK also said it when addressing the team. So he's recycling BK's own self-criticism, in pseudo-support of BK in a roundabout way.

I read it in the tone of item #1. It was said around the same time he was discussing BK blaming players.

 

[arahop]

Can we put the "Brian Kelly has lost the team" banter to bed, now?

No. He has lost the team and its his fault. You do realize they are taught how to deal with media questions. They aren't going to call a coach out in an interview.

 

[irishff1014]

I interpret this in two different ways, and I'm not sure which is right. I think I have a pretty good idea, but not 100%

1. James is clapping back at BK on behalf of the players, some of whom I'm sure are frustrated with the coaching.

2. James is repeating the "I'm a 2-4 coach" line that BK used in his past two pressers, as I'm sure BK also said it when addressing the team. So he's recycling BK's own self-criticism, in pseudo-support of BK in a roundabout way.

He is also a 2-4 coach because players aren't doing what they are supposed to as well. You can coach them til you are blue in the face if the players don't go Execute the coaching doesn't matter unless he replaces his that player.

 

[gkIrish]

He is also a 2-4 coach because players aren't doing what they are supposed to as well. You can coach them til you are blue in the face if the players don't go Execute the coaching doesn't matter unless he replaces his that player.

If your players aren't listening to you then one of two things are true:

1) You aren't teaching/communicating well with them (aka not getting the message across) OR
2) The players are incapable of being coached up and therefore a mistake was made at the recruiting level.

Either way it's the fault of the coach if there is a widespread problem with player performance.

 

[arahop]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Onwualu on Brian Kelly’s accountability, ”He’s a 2-4 coach as well."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/786243892098244608">October 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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This above and its about to be 3-5 or 2-6. Yet 50 percent of our fan base think Kelly should be the coach after this year. Good Lord

 

[pkt77242]

No. He has lost the team and its his fault. You do realize they are taught how to deal with media questions. They aren't going to call a coach out in an interview.

We all know that you are down on Kelly, but I don't know how you can definitely say that, I agree that it is a possibility but you aren't saying it like that.

I think we will find out if he has lost the team against Stanford, so just a couple more days till we get that answer.

 

[Blaise]

This above and its about to be 3-5 or 2-6. Yet 50 percent of our fan base think Kelly should be the coach after this year. Good Lord

He's going to be the coach next year... Nothing is changing that.. He hasn't lost the locker room, Kelly would be the first one to say he is a 2-4 coach.. These players are playing their hearts out which doesn't happen when the coach loses the team... When we start getting blown out we can have that discussion

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wait so you think players are going to publicly throw their coach under the bus?

And what part of the Onwualu quote do you view as positive?

That's just it, I didn't expect them to stoop to the level he had. And they didn't.

 

[Irish#1]

I interpret this in two different ways, and I'm not sure which is right. I think I have a pretty good idea, but not 100%

1. James is clapping back at BK on behalf of the players, some of whom I'm sure are frustrated with the coaching.

2. James is repeating the "I'm a 2-4 coach" line that BK used in his past two pressers, as I'm sure BK also said it when addressing the team. So he's recycling BK's own self-criticism, in pseudo-support of BK in a roundabout way.

It's #1 for me. I read #2 and can't see how it could be construed as such.

We have two players who publicly supported BK and one who is sort of calling him out. There's a lot of other players that haven't told us how they feel, so we don't know if BK has lost the team or not. I will say when things are going bad, emotions tend to get in the way of level heads and then you can't plug the holes faster then they pop open.

 

[IrishLax]

Can someone please link me exactly when Brian Kelly threw players under the bus?

 

[kmoose]

kmoose after being asked a question he can't simply answer honestly because it undermines his flawed, over-the-top point.

I don't think a player is going to come right out and say, "We think Coach sucks, and we really wish that someone would do something about it."

But why don't we hear from someone who actually KNOWS a little bit about the atmosphere in the locker room?

"James walks in and he gives an answer and it's perceived as if he's saying that it's a horrible thing that coach puts blame on guys," Kizer said. "But I'm sitting here having a conversation with him and all he's trying to say is: 'Yeah, it's tough when a coach calls you out, but we take it as a challenge here. We accept everything as a team.'

Notre Dame players defend Brian Kelly's approach to team

There is MUCH more evidence that the team is behind him, than there is that it is not. I mean, other than your informed, unbiased, rational evaluation of all things surrounding Brian Kelly.

 

[arahop]

Can someone please link me exactly when Brian Kelly threw players under the bus?

Notre Dame's Brian Kelly calls snapping atrocious, Michigan recruit trolls him

 

[gkIrish]

I don't think a player is going to come right out and say, "We think Coach sucks, and we really wish that someone would do something about it."

But why don't we hear from someone who actually KNOWS a little bit about the atmosphere in the locker room?

Notre Dame players defend Brian Kelly's approach to team

There is MUCH more evidence that the team is behind him, than there is that it is not. I mean, other than your informed, unbiased, rational evaluation of all things surrounding Brian Kelly.

Again, I'm sure a player who is asked about perceived negative comment another player says about the coach is going to throw said coach under the bus. Especially if the player answering the question could be demoted at any time for the backup that he was in a battle with up until week 3 of the season. Completely logical.

The bottom line is the players would not have to answer questions like this if Brian Kelly didn't get up to the podium after every game and make comments that make people think he is blaming the players. Even if that is not his intention, he is incredibly loose with this words and it comes off as blaming others.

 

[kmoose]

Again, I'm sure a player who is asked about perceived negative comment another player says about the coach is going to throw said coach under the bus. Especially if the player answering the question could be demoted at any time for the backup that he was in a battle with up until week 3 of the season. Completely logical.

The bottom line is the players would not have to answer questions like this if Brian Kelly didn't get up to the podium after every game and make comments that make people think he is blaming the players. Even if that is not his intention, he is incredibly loose with this words and it comes off as blaming others.

So the players are ALL lying? NOTHING positive, or even neutral, is true because the players are just worried that they will lose their starting position?

Just because a bunch of morons get around and decide that a coach said something that they didn't, doesn't mean that the coach is to blame for it. People don't have to look any further than this thread to see how far some will go to try to bring Kelly down.

 

[NDShark]

Notre Dame's Brian Kelly calls snapping atrocious, Michigan recruit trolls him

Didn't specifically call out Sam. Also, low class tweet by CMH. Hope he gets buried in the depth chart and/or is asked to gray shirt.

 

[gkIrish]

So the players are ALL lying? NOTHING positive, or even neutral, is true because the players are just worried that they will lose their starting position?

Just because a bunch of morons get around and decide that a coach said something that they didn't, doesn't mean that the coach is to blame for it. People don't have to look any further than this thread to see how far some will go to try to bring Kelly down.

You came out and said "Can we put the Brian Kelly has lost the team banter to bed, now?" because two out of three players interviewed had positive things to say about Kelly.

Was a stupid statement, so you got called out by myself and others. Let's not make this about anything else. No one said players were lying. I just said you can't take comments from two of three players and assume that they (a) speak for the whole team and (b) are telling us how they really feel. Players are taught how to speak to the media. Players aren't going to throw their coach under the bus even if it playing time is not a factor because it's just not a good look. You just don't get it.

 

[IrishLax]

Notre Dame's Brian Kelly calls snapping atrocious, Michigan recruit trolls him

Ummm... yeah... soooooo.... can anyone link me where Brian Kelly threw players under the bus? Because:

"Although I was very pleased with our physicality, toughness and tackling, I'm just extremely disappointed in the offensive execution and lack of ability to manage the snapping of the football," Kelly said.

Is not it.

 

[fightingirish26]

Didn't specifically call out Sam. Also, low class tweet by CMH. Hope he gets buried in the depth chart and/or is asked to gray shirt.

I mean, if the roles were reversed I would love that, an ND recruit trolling michigan/harbaugh. I hope CMH sucks for a different reason, the reason being that he plays for michigan.

 

[gkIrish]

Ummm... yeah... soooooo.... can anyone link me where Brian Kelly threw players under the bus? Because: Is not it.

What exactly are you looking for? He called Kizer's play after Duke "not acceptable" off the top of my head.

 

[kmoose]

You came out and said "Can we put the Brian Kelly has lost the team banter to bed, now?" because two out of three players interviewed had positive things to say about Kelly.

Was a stupid statement, so you got called out by myself and others. Let's not make this about anything else. No one said players were lying. I just said you can't take comments from two of three players and assume that they (a) speak for the whole team and (b) are telling us how they really feel. Players are taught how to speak to the media. Players aren't going to throw their coach under the bus even if it playing time is not a factor because it's just not a good look. You just don't get it.

One is your starting quarterback, and the other is a team captain. And the third guy supported his coach. You can try to play semantics and say that his words weren't positive, but the entire quote CLEARLY supports his coach:

On Wednesday, Fighting Irish players took turns defending their coach's demeanor, from the tough public love to the more intimate dealings behind closed doors.
"That's tough. You never really -- obviously some guys don't perform in every game and it's tough at this level," senior linebacker and captain James Onwualu said of Kelly's comments to reporters. "Obviously we don't love seeing that from a head coach, but sometimes it's necessary, I guess."

So now TWO team captains AND the starting QB have come out and supported the coach. It's not stupid to say that any talk of Kelly having lost this team is premature at best, moronic at worst.

I get it. You're just wrong.