Brian Kelly Contract

[NDBoiler]

USA Today | Sports | Highest Paid Coaches in CFB

#70 on the list. Damn

Whoa. There has to be more to that story, right? I mean that's not even competitive. Butch Jones is making 4 times what Kelly is making, if we go by that data.

To be fair how do we know that there aren't other incentives and such?

I was thinking the same things, but if you click on the link for "Methodology" it provides more explanation on how they got these numbers. Specifically for private schools, it states that it gets the info from tax returns so I am assuming this would be BK's "old" contract from last season and not the one that was done this year at the beginning of the season.

From the "Methodology " link:

NOTES

PITTSBURGH, TEMPLE AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS: The pay information listed came from federal tax returns or the Pennsylvania Right-to-Know Law report. Documents provide compensation for 2011 calendar year based all income paid by the school or support organization, including benefits, perks and performance bonuses.

 

[PANDFAN]

USA Today | Sports | Highest Paid Coaches in CFB

#70 on the list. Damn

i honestly thought for a minute that since it was a private university they didn't have to disclose until i saw all the way down there...

 

[Emcee77]

I was thinking the same things, but if you click on the link for "Methodology" it provides more explanation on how they got these numbers. Specifically for private schools, it states that it gets the info from tax returns so I am assuming this would be BK's "old" contract from last season and not the one that was done this year at the beginning of the season.

From the "Methodology " link:

NOTES

PITTSBURGH, TEMPLE AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS: The pay information listed came from federal tax returns or the Pennsylvania Right-to-Know Law report. Documents provide compensation for 2011 calendar year based all income paid by the school or support organization, including benefits, perks and performance bonuses.

Ah, that explains it. $1M a year was fine for the 2011 calendar year before he'd proved that he could win at ND, but after he got us to the NCG in January, he's gotta be making more than that.

 

[#1rish]

If I had to guess I'd say BK is in the $3M+ range under his new contract.

I'm confused, if you click on Notre Dame it says he was paid $2.4M in 2012 but $1,088,179 in 2013. I'm assuming this figure is pro-rated or something?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

There were strong "rumors" that Brian Kelly was actually making less than his predecessor, (Charlie Weis with his continued payouts), his successor, (Butch you know who at Cincy), and Muffet McGraw for that matter.

That is why I railed to strongly at the vicious rumors that were being circulated about Kelly, including but not limited to the fact that he wanted a "low or zero buyout clause amount." I always thought it was uninformed that people thought Kelly was a job hopper.

There was a point in time where technically and in actuality, Nick Saban had 6 jobs in four years!

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

In the past the head coach has been paid from other sources such as Adidas money... probably due to the old rule that the HFC can't make more than the highest paid professor. The tax returns only reveal payments directly from ND.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If I had to guess I'd say BK is in the $3M+ range under his new contract.

I'm confused, if you click on Notre Dame it says he was paid $2.4M in 2012 but $1,088,179 in 2013. I'm assuming this figure is pro-rated or something?

2012 wins bonus; NCG bonus; TV contract; endorsements; etc.

2013 base salary under old contract.

 

[#1rish]

2012 wins bonus; NCG bonus; TV contract; endorsements; etc.

2013 base salary under old contract.

Ah Thanks!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I'm told Brian Kelly's last contract extension makes $1.08 M figure very understated.</p>— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS/statuses/398158056845869056">November 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Bogtrotter07]

Ah Thanks!

Remember there is a huge difference between estimates and actual taxes paid.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I'm told Brian Kelly's last contract extension makes $1.08 M figure very understated.</p>— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerCBS/statuses/398158056845869056">November 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Number 68 on the list, Christensen at Wyoming makes Kelly's figure look very understated; I will take 200k right now even if I have to pay taxes at the maximum bracket level! (As a one time payment, in addition to whatever else I can scrape up.)

 

[Old Man Mike]

Who the he!l cares what we're paying him as long as it's in the general elite football program ballpark and enough to keep him at ND?

Notre Dame can afford those dollars. I just wish they'd open their tight pocketbooks for some other things, like nationally-televised Sunday mass from the Cathedral.

 

[aubeirish]

I thought ND did not leak such information to the public. How do we know if this number is legit?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

No way Kelly doesn't make more. Besides, I thought ND did not leak such information to the public. How do we know if this number is legit?

It's not legit. He definitely makes more than this.

 

[ulukinatme]

No wonder Texas fans have been itchin' to boot Mack Brown:

$5,453,750

Butch Jones and Tuberville's paychecks are pretty crazy too for lower ranked programs. Well, maybe not Tennessee, but they've been a doormat for some time.

 

[ThePiombino]

Who the he!l cares what we're paying him as long as it's in the general elite football program ballpark and enough to keep him at ND?

Notre Dame can afford those dollars. I just wish they'd open their tight pocketbooks for some other things, like nationally-televised Sunday mass from the Cathedral.

Do you honestly not understand the significance of BK potentially being grossly underpaid at ND of all places? If he doesn't get paid, he doesn't stick around and we undo 4+ years of progress. That said, I'm sure he's getting his and that this list is somewhat bogus...

 

[irishog77]

No wonder Texas fans have been itchin' to boot Mack Brown:

$5,453,750

Butch Jones and Tuberville's paychecks are pretty crazy too for lower ranked programs. Well, maybe not Tennessee, but they've been a doormat for some time.

His contract runs through 2020 too. Ouch.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Piombino: Duh......... apparently missed the entire sense of my remark.

I'll try again: 1). ND has plenty of money;

2). IF Kelly is being paid in the range proper to elite program coaches, then we shouldn't fester over the exact Dollars; if he's not then the admin is screwing up as is usual in matters of funding projects;

3). ND consistently penny-pinches for no good understandable reasons, and the lack of funding a Sunday national TV mass, given our alleged mission, is proof positive that the Administration fails regularly on its priorities list.

 

[ThePiombino]

Piombino: Duh......... apparently missed the entire sense of my remark.

I'll try again: 1). ND has plenty of money;

2). IF Kelly is being paid in the range proper to elite program coaches, then we shouldn't fester over the exact Dollars; if he's not then the admin is screwing up as is usual in matters of funding projects;

3). ND consistently penny-pinches for no good understandable reasons, and the lack of funding a Sunday national TV mass, given our alleged mission, is proof positive that the Administration fails regularly on its priorities list.

1) Agreed

2) Agreed

3) I was under the impression the current regime has made progress here. Didn't ask the assistants get relatively significant raises recently?

 

[irishog77]

Honest question here-- why is televising a Sunday Mass at ND so important?

EWTN televises several Masses. Why would people be inclined to tune into ND's Mass, say, over a Mass from the Vatican?

And I know this wasn't your intent, Mike, but criticizing ND for lack of Mass broadcasts seems to imply that virtually all Catholic institutions fail in their missions by not broadcasting their Mass.

Help me out here, please.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Honest question here-- why is televising a Sunday Mass at ND so important?

EWTN televises several Masses. Why would people be inclined to tune into ND's Mass, say, over a Mass from the Vatican?

And I know this wasn't your intent, Mike, but criticizing ND for lack of Mass broadcasts seems to imply that virtually all Catholic institutions fail in their missions by not broadcasting their Mass.

Help me out here, please.

Let me try --

There is no help.

 

[Irish Insanity]

2012 wins bonus; NCG bonus; TV contract; endorsements; etc.

2013 base salary under old contract.

I would assume this is correct or close to it. No way his salary dropped by more than half the year following a NCG appearance.

 

[chubler]

I would assume this is correct or close to it. No way his salary dropped by more than half the year following a NCG appearance.

Yeah if you read the methodology closely, then look back at the chart, you realize its only his 2011 base salary off a federal tax return. No bonuses, money from outside sources, any of that is included, but they claim it's his "total salary" for 2013. Bogus.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Irish-hog: EWTN typically broadcasts their mass in a nearly pre-Vatican II type style which is too conservative even for many Catholics. It is certainly too conservative for many potential undecideds who might show interest in Catholicism. If you get Father Anthony, you can get an amicable affectionate winner, but many of the other priests there are liable to preach on their favorite "social issue" rather than on the gospel message.

Notre Dame's Cathedral masses have a very different aura about them. They are definitely post-Vatican II in style and the quality of the homilies is sky high and almost always "Gospel-of-Love" in foundation while also being intellectually impressive. This approach is not only more uplifting than brimstone, but more effective in attracting people to the Church. Pope Francis recognizes this precisely and has insisted that our Catholic "Open Door" approach to interested non-Catholics take on this exact character.

The side-effect of this is that it would place Notre Dame at the Center of national awareness as the Flagship Institution of American Catholicism. This could not help but do much good for the University... maybe even for football recruiting, if one insists on having a football connection.

 

[Rack Em]

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[T Town Tommy]

Notre Dame's Kelly received $607,200 bonus in 2012 | FOX Sports on MSN

Interesting that CW made more from ND than Kelly did in 2012.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Notre Dame's Kelly received $607,200 bonus in 2012 | FOX Sports on MSN

Interesting that CW made more from ND than Kelly did in 2012.

"Interesting" isn't the word I'd use. If Kelly leaves for more money elsewhere, I'm taking out a contract on Kevin White.

 

[T Town Tommy]

"Interesting" isn't the word I'd use. If Kelly leaves for more money elsewhere, I'm taking out a contract on Kevin White.

Yep. I don't know what Kelly received with his extension, but one has to think he got a pretty nice bump. If not, I can't see him staying around and passing on offers that would pay him much more.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Kelly is the only coach who has been able to make ND a consistent performer. Our down years have consisted of 8-5, 9-4 type seasons and that's how it should be.

Every year, we should be looking at double digit wins with a few plays dictating the special seasons from the disappointments.

The roster is stocked with maybe a few possible exceptions and Kelly has this program believing in itself.

Pay the damn man! He should be the highest paid coach in the country (at least top 5). He's restored ND, brought necessary changes with Swarbrick and helped the Irish sign lucrative deals with their more recent success on the field.

He's done more than Weis ever did and he's done it without playing to his strength: Offense.

Pay the man. Pay the man. Pay the man.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

What I find interesting is that in the same tax year Bob Diaco received 670K. Did I read that wrong? Because that was before assistants got the "increased salaries" announced this past fall, wasn't it?

 

[koonja]

What I find interesting is that in the same tax year Bob Diaco received 670K. Did I read that wrong? Because that was before assistants got the "increased salaries" announced this past fall, wasn't it?

Did assistants really get a raise? I have no idea what they pay and what's the market rate for DC/OC, and position coaches.

Personally, I think that BK is under paid for a few reasons, but he's still only had one 10-win season in four years here (although it was a hell of a season). I would hope if we win 10+ games this year, he gets a raise. I think he deserves one and I can't think of a coach I'd rather have right now at ND.