BK stays at ND

[phork]

This feels like that animated gif of the 3 stick figure guys. One kneels behind another and the 3rd pushes him over the kneeling guy.

 

[BobD]

I could never be an athletic director. No matter who the coach was, if they tried pulling this sh!t with me I would have already hired a new coach and sent him to fire the existing one.

 

[wizards8507]

Sorry if this has already been posted but the Eagles have apparently set a meeting with Jay Gruden for Monday so there might not be any news this weekend.

 

[Rhode Irish]

We've gotten plenty of information, you just have to read between the lines a little bit.

At this point, it's crystal clear that Kelly is prepared to accept an offer to be a head coach with an NFL team. This is way beyond aggressive negotiation tactics. Who knows whether he gets that offer or not, but as time goes on, I think there's a point/line of no return and that line is getting close.

The only source we have saying anything to the contrary are biased sources (ex players, current players, fans, etc.) close to the team.

Wrong. Chance he ends up in Philly < 1%. It's not a real option. It's a prop in a negotiation.

 

[stlnd01]

We've gotten plenty of information, you just have to read between the lines a little bit.

At this point, it's crystal clear that Kelly is prepared to accept an offer to be a head coach with an NFL team. This is way beyond aggressive negotiation tactics. Who knows whether he gets that offer or not, but as time goes on, I think there's a point/line of no return and that line is getting close.

The only source we have saying anything to the contrary are biased sources (ex players, current players, fans, etc.) close to the team.

I think it's pretty clear that this is well beyond negotiating for a raise or better assistant salaries and that Kelly's seriously considering taking the job, as he should. But I like to think that he still may choose staying at ND over going to Philly, should he get an offer. He'd be smarter to stay, IMO. And of course there's no guarantee he gets offered the job. They're interviewing a whole bunch of people.
Either way, the longer this drags on the messier it gets. And you're right, it feels like we're getting to a breaking point. At least to us on the outside.
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if Swarbrick has known of Kelly's reputed NFL hopes all along and is letting Philly's process play out before sealing an extension. Something to the effect of "make me your last phone call."
Hopefully we know soon and can move on with our lives (and recruiting class).

 

[dre1919]

Here's the thing to me: If he's not taking the job, or at the very least strongly considering staying, why wouldn't he make a statement immediately saying so? He KNOWS this puts his recruiting class in jeopardy...he's dropped from #1 to #2 in classes with the linebacker Anzalone swapping to Florida. That's a BIG deal with how important recruiting is in CFB. If he wasn't working hard at leaving he wouldn't risk screwing his class up. Kelly has always been a climber, on to bigger and better, each sto he's been at. They have to be hammering out details right now. Out of the country? No contact? He's gone.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

We've gotten plenty of information, you just have to read between the lines a little bit.

At this point, it's crystal clear that Kelly is prepared to accept an offer to be a head coach with an NFL team. This is way beyond aggressive negotiation tactics. Who knows whether he gets that offer or not, but as time goes on, I think there's a point/line of no return and that line is getting close.

The only source we have saying anything to the contrary are biased sources (ex players, current players, fans, etc.) close to the team.

1000000000000% percent correct. He was already getting a raise/extension. I really don't think Swarbrick was going to play hardball if he just wanted some more $ for assistants and this was his way of getting it. The prolonged silence tells me this is very serious and if he gets an offer, I bet he takes it. Now that is no guarantee, but it just shows what his intentions really are.

Its speculation, of course. But with no one saying anything, all there is to do is SPECULATE. And guess who else does it? Recruits....

 

[CarrollVermin]

What I want to know is why ND is allowing this to happen. At least BC stood their ground a few years ago and fired their coach when he talked to the NFL. As an alum I wish that ND had the intestinal fortitude to do the same thing.

I am tired of this situation, and as an alum I find it embarrassing to the University. If was were JS, I would fire him today and move on.

 

[Grahambo]

The best part is it has to come to a conclusion sooner then later.

 

[KPENN]

What I want to know is why ND is allowing this to happen. At least BC stood their ground a few years ago and fired their coach when he talked to the NFL. As an alum I wish that ND had the intestinal fortitude to do the same thing.

I am tired of this situation, and as an alum I find it embarrassing to the University. If was were JS, I would fire him today and move on.

So fire the best coach ND has had in what 2 decades because of this? Also look where that got BC. Good thing you aren't the AD.

 

[NDinMich]

Wrong. Chance he ends up in Philly < 1%. It's not a real option. It's a prop in a negotiation.

A couple of days ago I would have said I agree with you but as each day goes on, I believe it less and less (add to that, BK is meeting w/the Eagles again this weekend).

I know it's been said before but it seems like this is what BK does...12 yrs at GVSU, 3 yrs at CMU, 3 years at Cinci, 3 yrs at ND(?). I fully expect 3 years from now he'll be moving up to the next best job in football (the Patriots HC?) then three years after that he'll be moving on to the next best job in football (manager at Manchester United FC?).

Obviously I'm being kind of sarcastic but I don't know of a font for 'kind of sarcastic.'

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Wrong. Chance he ends up in Philly < 1%. It's not a real option. It's a prop in a negotiation.

I just don't agree with this at all. We are all entitled to our opinions, so not knocking you. But negotiating for what?? He was already getting a raise. Is putting the recruiting class in jeopardy worth more money for assistants? Or field turf? Swarbrick probably would give him that anyway. He lost a huge recruit and others are probably asking questions, not to mention the Meyers and Kiffens and Stoops of the world are circling like hawks. Its not worth it. The silence can only mean he is seriously contemplating making the jump, if offered.

Like your statement, this is just my opinion. I hope you are right.

But, if you are right, it has been handled pretty poorly.

 

[Grahambo]

What I want to know is why ND is allowing this to happen.​

At least BC stood their ground a few years ago and fired their coach when he talked to the NFL. As an alum I wish that ND had the intestinal fortitude to do the same thing.

I am tired of this situation, and as an alum I find it embarrassing to the University. If was were JS, I would fire him today and move on.

Because they are negotiating a deal with him. Why do you think there's been no comments by Swarbricks office? If he was seriously considering leaving ND, you really think Jack Swarbrick is sitting idle? No. He'd be putting public pressure on BK and basically force BK's hand. He's not because they are negotiating more then just an extension. This takes time.

Oregon thought Chip was gone so they already announced the HC to succeed him. Not saying its not impossible for BK to jump but realistically, I don't see it happening.

He's the leader and I'll trust him to lead until he proves otherwise.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Is it Monday yet? Can we get past this already! As an Eagles fan I will be severely pissed if he takes that job, I want him to stay at ND.

From the rumblings here it sounds like the Eagles are interested but they are not going to make a decision until they interview other candidates, I suspect BK will yank his name in the coming days, he can't afford to wait much longer. The recruiting class, current players and alumni are only going to wait so long and and if he drags this out..........returning is going to be difficult.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Here's the thing to me: If he's not taking the job, or at the very least strongly considering staying, why wouldn't he make a statement immediately saying so? He KNOWS this puts his recruiting class in jeopardy...he's dropped from #1 to #2 in classes with the linebacker Anzalone swapping to Florida. That's a BIG deal with how important recruiting is in CFB. If he wasn't working hard at leaving he wouldn't risk screwing his class up. Kelly has always been a climber, on to bigger and better, each sto he's been at. They have to be hammering out details right now. Out of the country? No contact? He's gone.

Seriously I'm getting frustrated by the simple mindedness here. He isn't going to Philly. They would never offer him the job because he's not qualified, and he'd never take it because its not as good as the job he has.

He CAN'T say he wouldn't take it, though, because that would defeat the whole point pretending he was interested in the first place. Nothing has happened that would demand a statement, either. The only place in the world where this is a crisis is in the minds of ND message board posters.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I really don't know where I fall on this given what limited info we all have, but I'd say 50/50 just for $hit's sake.

If BK stays, he gets what he wants and more and stability is back with the program.

If he goes, James Franklin and Pat Fitzgerald are on my list.

 

[Rocky2820]

Seriously I'm getting frustrated by the simple mindedness here. He isn't going to Philly. They would never offer him the job because he's not qualified, and he'd never take it because its not as good as the job he has.

He CAN'T say he wouldn't take it, though, because that would defeat the whole point pretending he was interested in the first place. Nothing has happened thAr would demand a statement, either. The only place in the world where this is a crisis is in the minds of ND message board posters.

If Philly would never offer him the job because he isn't qualified, why are they wasting their time by (reportedly) interviewing him for a second time?

 

[Sweetness34]

This whole situation is BS. I will never respect Kelly again after this. The fact that he is being quiet is BS. If he leaves it's BS and if this is for a money grab it's BS. Usually when coaches do the whole interview for money, it's resolved within a couple of days. I lost all respect for him. Period!

 

[irishff1014]

I could never be an athletic director. No matter who the coach was, if they tried pulling this sh!t with me I would have already hired a new coach and sent him to fire the existing one.

BobD i agree with 100%!

 

[yankeeND]

At the end of the day I really hope Kelly stays and is committed to the excellence of the program. I hope if their are demands, that he gets the money and room to wiggle in admittance that gets us to the level of the Bama's and LSU's of the world. I love us because we are different but I get disappointed because we can't compete with a conference that can recruit and admit whoever they want. Hopefully there is a middle ground on all this where all parties can agree. If not, brothers and sister we will keep fighting until the right guy is here! I know all of this is discouraging but keep your faith and take a step back and get some joy from this past season! Aside from this past week it was just magical! We beat Michigan, Stanford, Oklahoma, and USC all in the same year! It's been awhile since that happened and it feels great even amidst this crappy last 3 days.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Eagles job not a good one? Keep kidding yourself.......
Top 5 team in terms of facilities, they just kept their last coach for over a decade, the owner will spend when needed and he doesn't meddle. I think your severely underselling the Eagles, they are a mess at the moment b/c they don't have a QB or a defense but they are still a Top franchise in the NFL and they will PAY.....$$$$ is never an issue.

 

[zbikowski88]

Maybe we could hear something tonight?

Brian Hamilton @ChiTribHamilton 23s
As ESPN notes, #NotreDame HC Brian Kelly originally set to be at Walter Camp dinner in Conn. tonight. Awaiting confirmation BK still going.

 

[irishff1014]

If they work out another contract they better put in there he isn't allowed to talk to another team for the first 3 years of the deal.

 

[woolybug25]

This whole situation is BS. I will never respect Kelly again after this. The fact that he is being quiet is BS. If he leaves this is BS and if this is for a money grab it's BS. I lost all respect for him. Period!

Relax homie, there is a lot if info in this thread explaining the situation. Chillax, because you don't want to have to go back on your comments when you are loving him next season. No reason to overreact.

 

[BurningRiver]

This thread is like a black hole of emotions.

 

[Patulski]

Seriously I'm getting frustrated by the simple mindedness here. He isn't going to Philly. They would never offer him the job because he's not qualified, and he'd never take it because its not as good as the job he has.

He CAN'T say he wouldn't take it, though, because that would defeat the whole point pretending he was interested in the first place. Nothing has happened thAr would demand a statement, either. The only place in the world where this is a crisis is in the minds of ND message board posters.

What's worse is the "fire him" crowd. ND already is paying $2 million to Weis through 2015. Firing Kelly would mean ND would be paying $4.4 million to ex coaches through 2015 - and with the $2+ million to a new coach- that's $6 million for the Head(s) football coaches at ND.

 

[CarrollVermin]

So fire the best coach ND has had in what 2 decades because of this? Also look where that got BC. Good thing you aren't the AD.

Or stick with a guy with little loyalty and integrity, who will always be looking to bolt for the NFL. Yeah, I will take my chance in the free market and find a man who looks at Notre Dame as the best job in the world and is 100% committed to it 100% of the time.

 

[Rhode Irish]

That he isn't a viable candidate for the Eagles job is my opinion. I suppose I could be wrong. It happens. There are a number of reasons they would talk to Kelly and allow the perception that he's an option to exist. One is that they stand to gain the same thing as BK: leverage to get what they really want at more favorable terms. Two, maybe they owe Trace Armstrong a favor or are considering hiring another of his clients. They could also just be being thorough and covering all their bases, or establishing a relationship on case he does become a viable option in the future.

However, my explanation of why he hasn't said anything isn't just opinion. It's a textbook approach to this situation. Numerous posters have said some variation of "the longer this goes on...." I know it seems like its been a long time because you're anxiously awaiting news, but its only been a few days. The recruiting effort seems uneffected. I wouldn't worry so much.

 

[Patulski]

Yeah, I will take my chance in the free market and find a man who looks at Notre Dame as the best job in the world and is 100% committed to it 100% of the time.

Sadly, if you are a coach that wants to win a BCS Championship, Notre Dame is not the best job in the world. In fact, it has a difficult combination of (a) perhaps the highest expectations of any fanbase with (b) heavy restrictions on a coaches ability to build the best roster possible.

And of course, the "free market" isn't free, as we'd now be paying 3 coaches salaries, and that new coach could (a) fail like Gerry Faust -who was "100% ND"- which would cost ND more money, or (b) win and change his mind about how great the ND job is, putting us squarely back to where we are today.

Brian Kelly is putting a mirror in ND's face and saying "how badly do you want to win"? I think we'll find out our answer soon.

 

[RubberSoul]

So the Eagles have set up another meeting with Kelly and are meeting with seattles DC today? This doesnt sound good.