BK stays at ND

[Bluto]

is that an earthquake joke...or something deeper?

Yeah... but I need to work on the delivery. I do hate hippies though. So there might be something deeper. Maybe I should retake the Myers Briggs...

 

[phgreek]

Yeah... but I need to work on the delivery. I do hate hippies though. So there might be something deeper. Maybe I should retake the Myers Briggs...

...Thats funny!

 

[Itchynut]

Positive Vibes?????? What is that?????

Regards,

75% of this thread

 

[Rhode Irish]

Yea nobody knows anything. One thing to have an opinion...but I never like the belittlement that goes on for a perfectly valid, and seemingly possible outcome. My belief is its a play...and Kelly will be at ND more enriched...

but in all plays, theres the counter...there are three scenarios here...not two. Kelly gets his Pay day from ND. Kelly get his pay day from Phily. Kelly gets his walking papers, and gets No payday from Phily or ND.

Ask the Boston College guy if its possible...

He isn't going to get fired. First of all, Jack is not a mini tyrant and a buffoon like Gene DeFilipo. And second, that act of petulance has really worked out great for BC....they've won like 4 games since then.

I think the worst case here (aside from him shockingly getting and taking the Eagles job which would be unbelievable on both ends) is that the leverage play backfires and he doesn't get the kind of raise he was looking for, or maybe any raise at all. He's still under contract for many years. Then you have an upset coach who may or may not let that effect his performance and all but guarantees his tenure here won't end with him being carried off the field and into the sunset.

 

[ulukinatme]

If some of you were playing Poker, BK would have you bluffed out of your chips and shirt. Me, I'm waiting for him to show his hand.

 

[Itchynut]

If some of you were playing Poker, BK would have you bluffed out of your chips and shirt. Me, I'm waiting for him to show his hand.

THIS = Positive Vibes

 

[gkIrish]

Positive Vibes?????? What is that?????

Regards,

75% of this thread

Strong 13th post.

The point is that if Kelly just wanted a raise from Notre Dame he would have just went to Swarbrick. This is ND....I truly think the man would have gotten paid if he just approached the situation in a more reasonable way.

Because he didn't do that and instead interviewed with the Eagles, IMO he really wants the NFL and is checking to see if the Eagles are the right fit for him. And this is going to happen again next year and the year after that


P.S. change your avatar???

 

[Bluto]

...Thats funny!

Thank you...I'll be here all week. Lol

 

[Itchynut]

Strong 13th post.

The point is that if Kelly just wanted a raise from Notre Dame he would have just went to Swarbrick. This is ND....I truly think the man would have gotten paid if he just approached the situation in a more reasonable way.

Because he didn't do that and instead interviewed with the Eagles, IMO he really wants the NFL and is checking to see if the Eagles are the right fit for him. And this is going to happen again next year and the year after that


P.S. change your avatar???

I promise I've been looking for a new avi... Any ideas?

I've read every post on this thread and the majority has spoken. I very well may be one of the few on this thread that ends up looking like a complete jack@$$ for having so much faith in BK. I just do not see it happening and the collateral damage it has supposedly caused will all be blown over by the time NSD arrives. BK and company are not done with IrishMob'13 and I'm looking forward to seeing how we close this class.

I do agree about the strong 13th post comment though...took a some balls right???

 

[Brown]

After reading a couple eagle's boards (link: NFL Forum :: - HC Speculation Thread (Volume III) [Eagles meet B. Kelly])

it seems like they are pretty confident that the eagle's are after Kelly and that he has legitimate interest. About half of their fan base is excited about a possible Kelly hire, the other half thinks it's a terrible idea.

the first thing that came to mind when reading the eagle's board is that the type of dialogue between eagle's fans was the same type of dialogue between ND fans during the Kelly hire.

either way, I'm beginning to think that there's a real possibility Kelly may be gone. They linked to one source that speculates Kelly's contract offer with the eagle's could be something in the range of 4/$28M *jaw drop*

 

[Brown]

UPDATE: Some have suggested that Kelly's interview with the Eagles is only a leverage ploy to get a raise from Notre Dame. During an appearance on ESPN's "NFL Live" on Thursday, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter refuted that speculation:

"I know there are people who believe ... that this is nothing more than a leverage play. But the fact of the matter is he has a 12-1 record. He got Notre Dame back to where it wanted to go. And the people who are familiar with that situation believe he has all the leverage he needs anyway, with or without the Eagles. He's interested. He's gonna continue to talk to the Eagles ... and then he'll have to make a decision about whether or not he's ready to jump to the NFL."

NFL Rumors - NFL Trade Rumors, Free Agency Rumors and More - Rumor Central - ESPN

 

[BGIF]

UPDATE: Some have suggested that Kelly's interview with the Eagles is only a leverage ploy to get a raise from Notre Dame. During an appearance on ESPN's "NFL Live" on Thursday, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter refuted that speculation:

"I know there are people who believe ... that this is nothing more than a leverage play. But the fact of the matter is he has a 12-1 record. He got Notre Dame back to where it wanted to go. And the people who are familiar with that situation believe he has all the leverage he needs anyway, with or without the Eagles. He's interested. He's gonna continue to talk to the Eagles ... and then he'll have to make a decision about whether or not he's ready to jump to the NFL."

NFL Rumors - NFL Trade Rumors, Free Agency Rumors and More - Rumor Central - ESPN

If leverage was the ploy all that was necessary was for Kelly to mention to Swarbrick or Jenkins that XYZ has approached him about an interview. Or his agent could have done instead. Neither Swarbrick nor Jenkins are obtuse. I would expect both of them to be anticipating "feelers".

Rockne flirted with annual offers and used the leverage adroitly. I recall Weis getting a big contract adjustment after a big season (which used to be an average season) but I don't recall him getting on a plane to make it happen.

There have been several changes at ND in the past few years which have benefited football AND other sports, such as EEs, Training Table, HC and assistant's salaries, etc. Since Monk has left office several draconian policies have eased for the entire student body including athletes. ND as an administration is much more "coach friendly then they were during the Holtz years and so far ND's graduation hasn't suffered.

Sorry but I don't understand Kelly interviewing a few days after the climb to the mountain top. You savor the moments and readjust your battle plan for the next assault.

People are still whining about a missed calls in the NCG causing a "loss of momentum". What the hell is an interview for a new job, 3 weeks from NSD?

People are chiding Anzalone for "taking a new job" in essence. They're incensed that he would say that ND is his dream school, that he was happy here, and then "poof" be gone. Sounds familiar to me expect one is 18 years old and one should know better how to handle things appropriately at his level.

 

[tadman95]

Mayok will be on Mike & Mike at 8:00. Greeny said he initially thought Kelly was positioning but now believes that there is legitimate interest on Kelly's part based on what he is hearing (from ESPN sources I'm sure).

 

[ohara831]

Either way, this needs to be resolved quickly. Either keep BK with a raise, or get a new HC. But we have some very important recruits coming on the 25th and this needs to have been resolved.

 

[Grahambo]

I still believe he stays regardless of his interest level and gets a new contract but if he leaves, I don't think I'll be shocked. Speaking matter of factly, I don't think I care anymore; just want a resolution.

Bob Stoops would be my first call FWIW.

 

[tko]

Man, get this resolved soon. I have a pit in my stomach over this situation. I realize there is a business side to things, but it all feels so dirty in this case. He could go from Notre Dame legend to Lane Kiffin/Todd Graham status. I am just a guy failing to comprehend this potential mega turd dumping.

 

[tko]

I still believe he stays regardless of his interest level and gets a new contract but if he leaves, I don't think I'll be shocked. Speaking matter of factly, I don't think I care anymore; just want a resolution.

Bob Stoops would be my first call FWIW.

I guess as long as he keeps that red-headed stepchild brother of his in Norman. We saw what kind of defense he fields. Also, Kelly at least recruited high character, high quality kids and i'm worried about the type of kid Little Game Bob would attempt to bring in here. I know Sherm, he has taken teams to a ton of BCS games, but it's about culture for me. I love the culture in this program right now.

 

[tadman95]

I still believe he stays regardless of his interest level and gets a new contract but if he leaves, I don't think I'll be shocked. Speaking matter of factly, I don't think I care anymore; just want a resolution.

Bob Stoops would be my first call FWIW.

My feeling too.

 

[Pachuco]

If BK leaves, then so be it. He will be missing out on an opportunity greater than any money the Eagles can offer. And of course, I say this as a loyalist and longtime fan of Notre Dame. However, if Kelly does leave, it will be his assistant coaches that I will miss the most. And I honestly say this without any hostility towards Kelly, I just really love the staff that we have right now. Unless they promote up from within, it's difficult to assume that it will stay in tact. And that would be the biggest loss, because recruits ARE drawn to coaches and for the most part the assistant coaches are the ones making the long term moves behind the scenes to bring them into the fold.

Let's hope this gets settled today.

 

[tko]

If BK leaves, then so be it. He will be missing out on an opportunity greater than any money the Eagles can offer. And of course, I say this as a loyalist and longtime fan of Notre Dame. However, if Kelly does leave, it will be his assistant coaches that I will miss the most. And I honestly say this without any hostility towards Kelly, I just really love the staff that we have right now. Unless they promote up from within, it's difficult to assume that it will stay in tact. And that would be the biggest loss, because recruits ARE drawn to coaches and for the most part the assistant coaches are the ones making the long term moves behind the scenes to bring them into the fold.

Let's hope this gets settled today.

If Kelly leaves, I feel like this staff should stay. Is is crazy to think about Diaco/Martin/Alford co-existing without Kelly? Who w/b head coach? Again, thoroughly confused and scared and cold, HOLD ME.

 

[tadman95]

If Kelly leaves, I feel like this staff should stay. Is is crazy to think about Diaco/Martin/Alford co-existing without Kelly? Who w/b head coach? Again, thoroughly confused and scared and cold, HOLD ME.

I wonder if they would? I would think at least one, or some, will want a piece of the NFL pie also.

That's where this could get bad. If Kelly were to leave and some of the staff goes with him, now ND is in the position of having to hire a HC and the HC has to get his staff in place. All of that during the critical and most important month of the recruiting period. There's no way to spin that as a good situation.

At some point Swarbrick has to protect the future of the program. If this isn't settled in the next 2-3 days, this will get interesting. The "quiet period" ends Saturday night then it's all hands on deck. 12:01 am the calls will start.

 

[Pachuco]

If Kelly leaves, I feel like this staff should stay. Is is crazy to think about Diaco/Martin/Alford co-existing without Kelly? Who w/b head coach? Again, thoroughly confused and scared and cold, HOLD ME.

I definitely think that group could hold their own without Kelly, but Kelly does allow them more flexibility to focus solely on their strengths and any recruiting duties. I've always sort of viewed Kelly as a successful PR guy, a figurehead so-to-speak. I know he made some changes this season that helped with his coaching, but his strengths seem to be in politicking and making necessary program adjustments (well, until this fiasco). This isn't to say he is a bad coach. Weis was a terrible PR guy, but his assistants were much further behind than this group (IMO).

However, in the history of NCAA football, has an incoming coach ever kept the vast majority of the previous staff? I'm familiar with a coach keeping one or two here and there, but the entire staff...? I don't know my history too well, but I think a new coach would bring his boys in. It seems like common practice.

 

[Pachuco]

I wonder if they would? I would think at least one, or some, will want a piece of the NFL pie also.

That's where this could get bad. If Kelly were to leave and some of the staff goes with him, now ND is in the position of having to hire a HC and the HC has to get his staff in place. All of that during the critical and most important month of the recruiting period. There's no way to spin that as a good situation.

At some point Swarbrick has to has to protect the future of the program. If this isn't settled in the next 2-3 days, this will get interesting. The "quiet period" ends Saturday night then it's all hands on deck. 12:01 am the calls will start.

Yep, something to consider also regarding the staff.

You're right though. There's no way to spin that scenario into an immediate positive for recruiting purposes.

 

[Grahambo]

I guess as long as he keeps that red-headed stepchild brother of his in Norman. We saw what kind of defense he fields. Also, Kelly at least recruited high character, high quality kids and i'm worried about the type of kid Little Game Bob would attempt to bring in here. I know Sherm, he has taken teams to a ton of BCS games, but it's about culture for me. I love the culture in this program right now.

I'll take my chances on his .809 winning percentage and home field dominance. Makes $4.3 million.

 

[irishff1014]

If leverage was the ploy all that was necessary was for Kelly to mention to Swarbrick or Jenkins that XYZ has approached him about an interview. Or his agent could have done instead. Neither Swarbrick nor Jenkins are obtuse. I would expect both of them to be anticipating "feelers".

Rockne flirted with annual offers and used the leverage adroitly. I recall Weis getting a big contract adjustment after a big season (which used to be an average season) but I don't recall him getting on a plane to make it happen.

There have been several changes at ND in the past few years which have benefited football AND other sports, such as EEs, Training Table, HC and assistant's salaries, etc. Since Monk has left office several draconian policies have eased for the entire student body including athletes. ND as an administration is much more "coach friendly then they were during the Holtz years and so far ND's graduation hasn't suffered.

Sorry but I don't understand Kelly interviewing a few days after the climb to the mountain top. You savor the moments and readjust your battle plan for the next assault.

People are still whining about a missed calls in the NCG causing a "loss of momentum". What the hell is an interview for a new job, 3 weeks from NSD?

People are chiding Anzalone for "taking a new job" in essence. They're incensed that he would say that ND is his dream school, that he was happy here, and then "poof" be gone. Sounds familiar to me expect one is 18 years old and one should know better how to handle things appropriately at his level.

One of the best post so far!

 

[BobD]

The possibility of a head coaching vacancy and John Gruden hasn't been mentioned yet? This has to be in record of some sort?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I wonder if they would? I would think at least one, or some, will want a piece of the NFL pie also.

That's where this could get bad. If Kelly were to leave and some of the staff goes with him, now ND is in the position of having to hire a HC and the HC has to get his staff in place. All of that during the critical and most important month of the recruiting period. There's no way to spin that as a good situation.

At some point Swarbrick has to protect the future of the program. If this isn't settled in the next 2-3 days, this will get interesting. The "quiet period" ends Saturday night then it's all hands on deck. 12:01 am the calls will start.

Exactly. Imo, a statement needs to be made today or tomorrow. Whether it's for the good or bad, something needs to come out. Every coach in the country will be trying to get in these kids' ears when the dead period is over. Some already have, I'm sure. It's no secret that a big component to a program's sustained success is constant recruiting. This class, imo, is paramount in keeping ND on top for the next few years. If it crumbles.....ugh.

 

[BGIF]

Kelly's interview with Eagles indicates high standards for Irish - CBSSports.com

1/11/13

Every year when we're done we talk about whatever the program needs to position itself,” AD Jack Swarbrick said this week. “It's been reflected in staff hires and equipment and all kinds of things. We go through a laundry list.”

So don't interpret Kelly's interview with Philadelphia as a “money grab.” At all. He is/was going to get paid.

This is why a national coach of the year struck quickly: The bar has been set for him and his program. There is no going back. Win 12, at least, each season. Ten wins won't be acceptable, probably not after this season. Not for Kelly, not for long.

...

And at the moment, there is more certainty that Kelly can get himself to the next level (NFL) than he can keep Notre Dame at its current level. Is this past season a spike on a flat line or the beginning of another glorious ND run?

By interviewing with the Eagles, Kelly already has answered that question

.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelly_(coach) 3 year runs at his past 2 jobs. kinda in his blood to move on. Next man in?

 

[BGIF]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelly_(coach) 3 year runs at his past 2 jobs. kinda in his blood to move on. Next man in?

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