Biden Presidency

[ulukinatme]

She’s African American, went to a HBCU, was a tough on crime DA and Attorney General during a period when California and San Francisco saw some of their lowest crime rates ever (JD Vance was loving it!) and can speak in complete sentences.

That reads like a wet dream candidate for a GOP ticket honestly.

This is all pretty true, and while she can speak in complete sentences, they don't always make sense or they're wildly off. I will say she was spot on about the 18-24 population being stupid, hit the nail on the head there.



Then there's the constant word salad.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Probably, but I saw someone put it this way, paraphrasing: "Kamala is the DEI hire. She was brought on board for the minority vote. If we kick her to the curb now we lose all credibility." It wouldn't be a good look.

That someone was Bishop. I doubt he cares about Democrats credibility.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't think they will spend a ton of time trying to paint her as crazy. The same policy failures that would've hit Biden will be linked to her. She will get hit extra hard over immigration since she was the Immigration Czar who only visited the border once.

Here's the thing though -- Biden also had a lot of policy wins, and a lot of the negative talking points fall apart once you have someone who can actually complete a sentence and articulate their position.

For example, you mention the border. It was a debacle for almost all of Biden's presidency and he polled horribly on it. But if you want to snapshot in time June 2019 (Trump) vs June 2024 (last month) border crossing are down about 15%. They're at their lowest levels since 2021. So someone who can actually speak can get on a debate stage and say rather easily "I did a great job getting the border under control, encounters at the border are lower now than when you were in office" and while that might be spin that ignores a lot of post-COVID failures prior to this year it isn't even a lie.

Here are some other things Harris could easily hit on:
-The US economy is doing unbelievably well over the past four years relative to the rest of the western world
-Massive investment in infrastructure relative to Trump who talked a lot and did nothing
-Reduced drug costs, including capping insulin costs well below what they were previously
-Less uninsured Americans than ever before
-Major investments in American manufacturing led to 800,000 new manufacturing jobs and even if you adjust for COVID he still added more manufacturing jobs from post-COVID than Trump did pre-COVID *and* manufacturing is at it's highest levels in the US in 15+ years.

Where Harris loses is potentially on social issues like men playing women's sports, DEI, pro-Hamas crap, etc. that are all widespread unpopular in suburbs and areas where she needs to win. She's not going to outright lose a policy battle with Trump. They will both score points in different areas.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Here's the thing though -- Biden also had a lot of policy wins, and a lot of the negative talking points fall apart once you have someone who can actually complete a sentence and articulate their position.

For example, you mention the border. It was a debacle for almost all of Biden's presidency and he polled horribly on it. But if you want to snapshot in time June 2019 (Trump) vs June 2024 (last month) border crossing are down about 15%. They're at their lowest levels since 2021. So someone who can actually speak can get on a debate stage and say rather easily "I did a great job getting the border under control, encounters at the border are lower now than when you were in office" and while that might be spin that ignores a lot of post-COVID failures prior to this year it isn't even a lie.

Here are some other things Harris could easily hit on:
-The US economy is doing unbelievably well over the past four years relative to the rest of the western world
-Massive investment in infrastructure relative to Trump who talked a lot and did nothing
-Reduced drug costs, including capping insulin costs well below what they were previously
-Less uninsured Americans than ever before
-Major investments in American manufacturing led to 800,000 new manufacturing jobs and even if you adjust for COVID he still added more manufacturing jobs from post-COVID than Trump did pre-COVID *and* manufacturing is at it's highest levels in the US in 15+ years.

Where Harris loses is potentially on social issues like men playing women's sports, DEI, pro-Hamas crap, etc. that are all widespread unpopular in suburbs and areas where she needs to win. She's not going to outright lose a policy battle with Trump. They will both score points in different areas.

There is NO WAY they can legitimately tout the border as a win. We spent the last 3 years screaming for the administration to do something. They refused. Only when they finally saw that immigration was going to be an important issue this election do they magically decide they can finally do something after all. As far as Kamala specifically goes, she went to the border ONCE. This administration made an intentional choice. They got what they wanted for 3 years. Now it's going to bite them in the ass this election.

If Kamala wants to spin that as a win, she's got some big balls.

 

[ulukinatme]

This wasn't mine:

"Imagine unironically saying “democracy is on the ballot” while shilling for the DNC that got caught manipulating their 2016 primary, clearly protected Biden from a 2024 primary, & are putting someone on the ballot that wasn’t voted for."

They left out the primary in 2020 too. When it looked like Bernie was gaining control, the rest magically dropped out and put their support under Biden and the establishment. DNC would have never let Trump become a candidate if he was still a liberal. They choose their candidates for you.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Here's the thing though -- Biden also had a lot of policy wins, and a lot of the negative talking points fall apart once you have someone who can actually complete a sentence and articulate their position.

For example, you mention the border. It was a debacle for almost all of Biden's presidency and he polled horribly on it. But if you want to snapshot in time June 2019 (Trump) vs June 2024 (last month) border crossing are down about 15%. They're at their lowest levels since 2021. So someone who can actually speak can get on a debate stage and say rather easily "I did a great job getting the border under control, encounters at the border are lower now than when you were in office" and while that might be spin that ignores a lot of post-COVID failures prior to this year it isn't even a lie.

Here are some other things Harris could easily hit on:
-The US economy is doing unbelievably well over the past four years relative to the rest of the western world
-Massive investment in infrastructure relative to Trump who talked a lot and did nothing
-Reduced drug costs, including capping insulin costs well below what they were previously
-Less uninsured Americans than ever before
-Major investments in American manufacturing led to 800,000 new manufacturing jobs and even if you adjust for COVID he still added more manufacturing jobs from post-COVID than Trump did pre-COVID *and* manufacturing is at it's highest levels in the US in 15+ years.

Where Harris loses is potentially on social issues like men playing women's sports, DEI, pro-Hamas crap, etc. that are all widespread unpopular in suburbs and areas where she needs to win. She's not going to outright lose a policy battle with Trump. They will both score points in different areas.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[Bishop2b5]

Out of respect for our sharp and strong leader as he effectively ends his political career and prepares to ride off into the sunset, let's remember him in his prime at the peak of his success when he mesmerized us all with his brilliance and entered American cultural history.

 

[ulukinatme]

The internet is a wonderful place.

 

[ulukinatme]

This isn't really a gotcha or anything. Straight up, I didn't know Kamala had a catch phrase. Never noticed she uses it frequently.

 

[rikkitikki08]

What does that even mean lol

 

[Irish#1]

What does that even mean lol

I have no clue. lol

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[IrishLax]

There is NO WAY they can legitimately tout the border as a win. We spent the last 3 years screaming for the administration to do something. They refused. Only when they finally saw that immigration was going to be an important issue this election do they magically decide they can finally do something after all. As far as Kamala specifically goes, she went to the border ONCE. This administration made an intentional choice. They got what they wanted for 3 years. Now it's going to bite them in the ass this election.

If Kamala wants to spin that as a win, she's got some big balls.

You say that because you’re a logical, well informed person.

What I’m saying is that as a politician it’s very easy to spin and obfuscate. They can hit on Trump telling Republicans to sink the border bill, they can hit on border encounters being lower now then they were under Trump, there are a ton of angles to play.

I think people under appreciate how much of Biden’s issues were rooted in him being senile and incapable of talking rather than “policy losses.” This was not a campaign of ideas, it was a referendum on Biden hiding from the public for years while his inner circle of too-online Ivy League fuckwads continued to push increasingly unpopular social takes while inflation simultaneously ran rampant and interest rates ballooned.

 

[Blazers46]

You say that because you’re a logical, well informed person.

What I’m saying is that as a politician it’s very easy to spin and obfuscate. They can hit on Trump telling Republicans to sink the border bill, they can hit on border encounters being lower now then they were under Trump, there are a ton of angles to play.

I think people under appreciate how much of Biden’s issues were rooted in him being senile and incapable of talking rather than “policy losses.” This was not a campaign of ideas, it was a referendum on Biden hiding from the public for years while his inner circle of too-online Ivy League fuckwads continued to push increasingly unpopular social takes while inflation simultaneously ran rampant and interest rates ballooned.

A lot of people have no clue a border bill existed. When it comes to policy they can get away with spin because they just have to make their lie sound good.

Just guessing but I would guess maybe 10-20 percent of voters actually care about policy and record when voting. Thats why people argue about other shit. Biden flopped not because policy but because the world finally saw his brain has turned to chicken noodle soup.

 

[NorthDakota]

You say that because you’re a logical, well informed person.

What I’m saying is that as a politician it’s very easy to spin and obfuscate. They can hit on Trump telling Republicans to sink the border bill, they can hit on border encounters being lower now then they were under Trump, there are a ton of angles to play.

I think people under appreciate how much of Biden’s issues were rooted in him being senile and incapable of talking rather than “policy losses.” This was not a campaign of ideas, it was a referendum on Biden hiding from the public for years while his inner circle of too-online Ivy League fuckwads continued to push increasingly unpopular social takes while inflation simultaneously ran rampant and interest rates ballooned.

I am curious how she will answer questions about Joe being cooked.

 

[Blazers46]

I am curious how she will answer questions about Joe being cooked.

She made the mistake of being interviewed by multiple outlets immediately after the debate. It would be hard to turn from what she said then. I

 

[IrishLax]

I am curious how she will answer questions about Joe being cooked.

Me too, and where we get into uncharted territory is that if Trump doesn't want to debate her then we're not going to see a bunch of "tough questions" from the press. She has a unique opportunity between now and the convention to curate whatever version of herself her advisors think will have the broadest appeal.

I still think Trump wins, but she's on pace to raise $100M in 24 hours when Biden only had like ~$90M cash on hand and some of the lowest approval ratings we've ever seen. This is certainly stiffer competition with a lower probability of Trump landslide.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

No.

One party got rid of their unfit candidate.

The other didn’t.

I’m just stating pretty basic facts.

If he’s unfit then why insist he step down immediately. Or did Dems finally realize he‘s so far behind in the polls that there’s no way he can win so let’s quit and start over?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Kamala the Cop can win.

Kamala the Woke cannot.

The Republican playbook is likely going to be paint her as “California” crazy and out of touch with normal people. It probably works, but maybe not. Really depends on who she chooses to listen to because Biden had advisors who were trash.

 

[NDPhilly]

Is the president of the United States alive? Does anyone care? It’s incredibly weird he hasnt shown his face in 24 hours.

 

[Irish#1]

Me too, and where we get into uncharted territory is that if Trump doesn't want to debate her then we're not going to see a bunch of "tough questions" from the press. She has a unique opportunity between now and the convention to curate whatever version of herself her advisors think will have the broadest appeal.

I still think Trump wins, but she's on pace to raise $100M in 24 hours when Biden only had like ~$90M cash on hand and some of the lowest approval ratings we've ever seen. This is certainly stiffer competition with a lower probability of Trump landslide.

I believe Trump has already said he wanted debate Harris.

Lax, Can you or someone merge the Trump and Biden threads into the Politics thread? We've got conversations going on about the same stuff in all three. Might as well have just one catch all. Thanks

 

[Irish#1]

Is the president of the United States alive? Does anyone care? It’s incredibly weird he hasnt shown his face in 24 hours.

He was taking a few days off at his vacation home. I don't know if he's back, but he's probably being kept out of the public's eye for a few days to avoid all the questions.

 

[Blazers46]

Is the president of the United States alive? Does anyone care? It’s incredibly weird he hasnt shown his face in 24 hours.

When he does come out of hiding I am curious if anyone has told him he’s not running for president anymore but that he can still pretend to be president for a little while longer…

 

[Bluto]

If he’s unfit then why insist he step down immediately. Or did Dems finally realize he‘s so far behind in the polls that there’s no way he can win so let’s quit and start over?

I’m not really concerned as to the “why”.

The can “can he win” and “is he unfit” question are two sides of the same coin.

 

[IrishLax]

I believe Trump has already said he wanted debate Harris.

Lax, Can you or someone merge the Trump and Biden threads into the Politics thread? We've got conversations going on about the same stuff in all three. Might as well have just one catch all. Thanks

I'm just gonna start an "Election 2024" thread.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I was reading an article yesterday that said that this was the third time in a row that the Dem race was manipulated by their elites to get the nominee they wanted. Not the voters.

Democracy indeed.

 

[NDVirginia19]

He was taking a few days off at his vacation home. I don't know if he's back, but he's probably being kept out of the public's eye for a few days to avoid all the questions.

Hell, even a public address posted online without the press would answer some questions. Dude posted a letter not on official presidential letterhead with a digitized signature while being cloistered away for COVID. The American people deserve to see a damn sign of life.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I was reading an article yesterday that said that this was the third time in a row that the Dem race was manipulated by their elites to get the nominee they wanted. Not the voters.

Democracy indeed.

That is exactly right. Don't you understand, we have to be willing to do undemocratic things to save the Democracy.

I would think the progressives on this board would recognize full well how the Democratic party has manipulated the primaries.

 

[Blazers46]

Hell, even a public address posted online without the press would answer some questions. Dude posted a letter not on official presidential letterhead with a digitized signature while being cloistered away for COVID. The American people deserve to see a damn sign of life.

At least some confidence Biden knows he dropped out.