Biden Presidency

[drayer54]

I said equivalent. But if you think treating people with respect its an inconvenience to you then that's something you have to figure out for yourself.

Again- there's a difference between treating people with respect and forcing gender theories and dumb ideas on people. My problem is that the progressives are demanding conformity everywhere and it's beyond annoying. To each their own.

- He/Him

 

[GowerND11]

Again- there's a difference between treating people with respect and forcing gender theories and dumb ideas on people. My problem is that the progressives are demanding conformity everywhere and it's beyond annoying. To each their own.

- He/Him

Hey look, you did it! Bet you didn't even lose more than 5 seconds of time either.

 

[TorontoGold]

It's not possible for anyone to see these numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and say Obama and Trump had basically the same unemployment.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm

Stock market hit 30,000 under one president, and his name wasn't Obama.

You really wanna credit the vaccine rollout to two of the largest US states (CA, NY) just now reopening everything with Trump gone? Sorry, not buying it. Those governors made their citizens suffer for a year because it helped them get Trump out.

Nothing was dodged. I said CA and NY governors implemented the toughest restrictions and saw the most people leave their states in 2020.

In a separate post, I said Dem governors (not just CA and NY) made life miserable with restrictions on their citizens to help Dem candidates in elections. I'm talking about states like PA, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.

You specifically said CA/NY, you singled them out, not me. Those governors, so, were you wrong in saying that? Or do you believe that the election would have gone differently in CA/NY?

 

[NorthDakota]

Thats the equivalent of some racist person back god knows when saying oh god i can't even say the N word anymore, what has the world come to??

No, it really isn't. At least the racist dude can readily apply that knowledge that using a racial slur is inappropriate and unacceptable in public society.

The trans/gender fluid stuff is confusing for everyone who doesn't "study" that field. For example, here is a website our Canadian friends have made.

https://teentalk.ca/learn-about/gender-identity/

Bright lines people...bright lines.

 

[TorontoGold]

Again- there's a difference between treating people with respect and forcing gender theories and dumb ideas on people. My problem is that the progressives are demanding conformity everywhere and it's beyond annoying. To each their own.

- He/Him

These people literally are advocating for three main pronouns he/she/they, that's all. I can guarantee you've never had anyone ask to be called any other pronoun than those. If you didn't discriminate based on gender, you'd have a much more enjoyable life. Bigot gunna bigot I guess.

It's fabricated outrage.

 

[TorontoGold]

No, it really isn't. At least the racist dude can readily apply that knowledge that using a racial slur is inappropriate and unacceptable in public society.

The trans/gender fluid stuff is confusing for everyone who doesn't "study" that field. For example, here is a website our Canadian friends have made.

https://teentalk.ca/learn-about/gender-identity/

Bright lines people...bright lines.

If someone struggles to understand anything on that website I suggest they not operate any machinery, and purchase velcro shoes immediately.

 

[ab2cmiller]

No, it really isn't. At least the racist dude can readily apply that knowledge that using a racial slur is inappropriate and unacceptable in public society.

The trans/gender fluid stuff is confusing for everyone who doesn't "study" that field. For example, here is a website our Canadian friends have made.

https://teentalk.ca/learn-about/gender-identity/

Bright lines people...bright lines.

I think you are on to something....... I think the goal is to get everyone educated sufficiently so that there will be a reason to be justifiably offended at some point in the future.

 

[Irish#1]

These are all fair points. I don't have any kids of my own, but I can see the logic behind your thinking.

I think the ostracizing of transexual people to make them feel unwelcome in the bathroom is way overblown. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I am willing bet a ton that the number of people charged with rape in a girls bathroom who are transexual is almost negligible. Kind of the same argument in saying that women shouldn't dress how they want because it opens them up to being raped.

All would be solved if more parenting/education was done for boys to not rape women.

But you're not saying "Open season lads go get em" it's for transwomen, not men. Biologically they may still have male parts, but they're likely on some sort of T blockers so chemically they're more woman than man.

Let's be real, if you or I waltzed into the girls change room in school we'd be endlessely chirped and wouldn't risk that kind of backlash. It's kind of tough to pull the whole "I'm trans" card on a whim. Plus if a trans person rapes someone, that's still rape.

You're right. The number of trans that might attempt something perverted is extremely low. One of the problems is when a little girl accidentally sees "the package" and wonders what is going on? We have no idea how that will effect a child. May not at all or may raise some serious questions. I'd rather my daughter learn about these things from her mother.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don’t fully understand all the ins and outs of the chemical biology versus the phenotypical issues like gonads but I have a person in my daily orbit who switches genders periodically. Sometimes she is a woman for a few days. Sometimes he is male for weeks. Seen them switch during the day before. Doesn’t affect me one bit in how I treat them during our interactions. This person does a good job telegraphing where they are at and it’s fairly easy to interact. I don’t understand it but I don’t really have to to be decent to them.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don’t fully understand all the ins and outs of the chemical biology versus the phenotypical issues like gonads but I have a person in my daily orbit who switches genders periodically. Sometimes she is a woman for a few days. Sometimes he is male for weeks. Seen them switch during the day before. Doesn’t affect me one bit in how I treat them during our interactions. This person does a good job telegraphing where they are at and it’s fairly easy to interact. I don’t understand it but I don’t really have to to be decent to them.

Now say we are in high school and this is the deal. Is it fair to ask the school to let this person switch locker rooms every few days? And what do we do about sports?

I cant imagine the conversations with parents explaining that your kid has gym class with a member of the opposite sex who..sometimes within the same week...decides they are now the same as your kid.

 

[TorontoGold]

You're right. The number of trans that might attempt something perverted is extremely low. One of the problems is when a little girl accidentally sees "the package" and wonders what is going on? We have no idea how that will effect a child. May not at all or may raise some serious questions. I'd rather my daughter learn about these things from her mother.

Oh 100% I'd want the child to learn from their parents. I also think we're all over estimating the confidence that a trans person has, like think of the shy kid who changes in the stall instead of the locker room now multiply that by 1000.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Now say we are in high school and this is the deal. Is it fair to ask the school to let this person switch locker rooms every few days? And what do we do about sports?

I cant imagine the conversations with parents explaining that your kid has gym class with a member of the opposite sex who..sometimes within the same week...decides they are now the same as your kid.

You could do what they do at my sons high school and le them use the unisex single person bathroom. Each locker room has stalls and urinals for boys and a single serve bathroom largenough to serve handicapped children fo rboth girls and boys. It also has family bathrooms so that families can take care of their children in peace in multiple places around the school.

MY airport has these, my grocery store has these....its literally no big deal. I dont know how it is elsewhere though so IDK .

As a follow up my son is aware of this persons situation and has been very kind to them. We have talked about it and he might not understand everything he understands enough to know that regardless he should be kind to them as we would anyone else. He has caught on quickly and really only had a couple of times where it was awkward but the other person understood as well.

 

[Blazers46]

These people literally are advocating for three main pronouns he/she/they, that's all. I can guarantee you've never had anyone ask to be called any other pronoun than those. If you didn't discriminate based on gender, you'd have a much more enjoyable life. Bigot gunna bigot I guess.

It's fabricated outrage.

It really isnt farbricated. In evreyday life its easy to just call people whatever they want but I was a social worker at a juvenile prison and we had male inmates we had to identify as female. Think about that for a second. It was an all MALE facility in which the State mandated we call them female but for documentation purposes had to write male. We later were told that some were challenging and suiing because they wanted their state paperwork to state they were female. Long story short is they were released. They still do not know how to handle this.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You specifically said CA/NY, you singled them out, not me. Those governors, so, were you wrong in saying that? Or do you believe that the election would have gone differently in CA/NY?

No, election results would have been the same by far in CA and NY. What I left out in my original post and should have added was the battle ground states with Dem governors who were all too happy to keep businesses closed and people locked up for several months.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

AKA "don't use context just gobble up the talking points"

Nah, just accept reality as it is without trying to complicate it for the sole purpose of disagreeing.

 

[GoIrish41]

My bad, I did mistake you with someone else.

The bigger issue is that you are not good about using facts in general, yet you are so cocksure you are right that you come off as ridiculous. And that is at the heart of my reactions to most of your posts.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You could do what they do at my sons high school and le them use the unisex single person bathroom. Each locker room has stalls and urinals for boys and a single serve bathroom largenough to serve handicapped children fo rboth girls and boys. It also has family bathrooms so that families can take care of their children in peace in multiple places around the school.

MY airport has these, my grocery store has these....its literally no big deal. I dont know how it is elsewhere though so IDK .

As a follow up my son is aware of this persons situation and has been very kind to them. We have talked about it and he might not understand everything he understands enough to know that regardless he should be kind to them as we would anyone else. He has caught on quickly and really only had a couple of times where it was awkward but the other person understood as well.

I find this past page a fascinating insight into the psychology of people's political affiliation. On one hand, you have concern on the lack of order and the fear that something could potentially go wrong. On the other, you have the tendency to project victim mentality against the antiquated social constructs.

Both have merits, both have flaws.

I think in the end, hopefully we all can agree that compassion and empathy are very important. Life is short, life is difficult. We should all strive to make people as comfortable as they possibly can be during our brief time on this rock. But there are limits. After all, as my old ethics professor used to say, "we all have angels on one should and a devil on the other. If everyone listened to the angel there would be no need for criminal laws". He was right (that fat asshole has proven more right over the years and I hate it).

I am with you Cack. I don't understand why single stalls are not used more universally. I do know that many of the newer construction places I frequent utilize this very approach. I like it, honestly. Who wants to be bothered by rando's during that 10 minutes of peace whilst building a dookie castle? If It's good enough for me during that time, I would think it's good enough for everyone else.

 

[TorontoGold]

It really isnt farbricated. In evreyday life its easy to just call people whatever they want but I was a social worker at a juvenile prison and we had male inmates we had to identify as female. Think about that for a second. It was an all MALE facility in which the State mandated we call them female but for documentation purposes had to write male. We later were told that some were challenging and suiing because they wanted their state paperwork to state they were female. Long story short is they were released. They still do not know how to handle this.

It's a millions times fabricated. Because instead of finding issue with the system that doesn't know how to handle transgender inmates, you believe that it's actually the fault of transgender people. Somehow them wanting people to give them common decency is actually bad, and therefore it's too much to ask of people to address them how they want to be addressed.

I had a kid in my grade 10 science class who an asshole who happened to be gay, does that mean I should now discriminate against gay people? I mean comeeeee on.

Bad people will be bad people no matter their gender/race/nationality/sexuality whatever.

 

[NorthDakota]

I find this past page a fascinating insight into the psychology of people's political affiliation. On one hand, you have concern on the lack of order and the fear that something could potentially go wrong. On the other, you have the tendency to project victim mentality against the antiquated social constructs.

Both have merits, both have flaws.

I think in the end, hopefully we all can agree that compassion and empathy are very important. Life is short, life is difficult. We should all strive to make people as comfortable as they possibly can be during our brief time on this rock. But there are limits. After all, as my old ethics professor used to say, "we all have angels on one should and a devil on the other. If everyone listened to the angel there would be no need for criminal laws". He was right (that fat asshole has proven more right over the years and I hate it).

I am with you Cack. I don't understand why single stalls are not used more universally. I do know that many of the newer construction places I frequent utilize this very approach. I like it, honestly. Who wants to be bothered by rando's during that 10 minutes of peace whilst building a dookie castle? If It's good enough for me during that time, I would think it's good enough for everyone else.

I suspect the reason single stall bathrooms aren't more common is cost. I hate taking dumps while some dude next stall over is also going through some sort of ordeal.

It's a millions times fabricated. Because instead of finding issue with the system that doesn't know how to handle transgender inmates, you believe that it's actually the fault of transgender people. Somehow them wanting people to give them common decency is actually bad, and therefore it's too much to ask of people to address them how they want to be addressed.

I had a kid in my grade 10 science class who an asshole who happened to be gay, does that mean I should now discriminate against gay people? I mean comeeeee on.

Bad people will be bad people no matter their gender/race/nationality/sexuality whatever.

Eh....idk how the prison system is supposed to treat that crowd. At that point you've forfeited your right to calling many shots. If you let incarcerated people pick which prisons they go to....that is 1000% ripe for and pretty much begging for abuse.

 

[ab2cmiller]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/IsicaLynn/status/1354894529208348673[/TWEET]

 

[drayer54]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Janet Yellen accepted $810,000 in speaking fees from Citadel, owner of Robinhood. <br><br>Reporter: Are there any plans to recuse herself from advising the President on GameStop and Robinhood situation?<br><br>Psaki: ‘No and she’s an expert and deserves that money.’<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/fvn1Chu30P">pic.twitter.com/fvn1Chu30P</a></p>— Jessica Grace �� (@IsicaLynn) <a href="https://twitter.com/IsicaLynn/status/1354894529208348673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

She’s the a woman Secretary of the Treasury. Nothing else matters. Follow along.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Nah, just accept reality as it is without trying to complicate it for the sole purpose of disagreeing.

The reality is you've retreated and are now resorting to picking one year of a President's term as the proof of some sort of economic genius by Trump and then requesting that one not add complex or overthink it. Lolol are you a producer for Mark Levin or some crap?

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Janet Yellen accepted $810,000 in speaking fees from Citadel, owner of Robinhood. <br><br>Reporter: Are there any plans to recuse herself from advising the President on GameStop and Robinhood situation?<br><br>Psaki: ‘No and she’s an expert and deserves that money.’<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/fvn1Chu30P">pic.twitter.com/fvn1Chu30P</a></p>— Jessica Grace �� (@IsicaLynn) <a href="https://twitter.com/IsicaLynn/status/1354894529208348673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Magnificent job. That tap dancing would put Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers to shame.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I suspect the reason single stall bathrooms aren't more common is cost. I hate taking dumps while some dude next stall over is also going through some sort of ordeal.



Eh....idk how the prison system is supposed to treat that crowd. At that point you've forfeited your right to calling many shots. If you let incarcerated people pick which prisons they go to....that is 1000% ripe for and pretty much begging for abuse.

Cost is an issue for sure like most things. Also from an architectural POV space for restrooms/locker rooms is limited in most buildings (especially older buildings needing renovations) and so the idea is to provide the most service in the smallest space possible while also maintaining required clearances for fixtures, partitions, ceilings etc. Newer construction typically takes all this into account and there are numerous ways architects take into account LGTBQ citizens needs similarly to handicapped persons and families. For newer construction its really not a big deal and most people accept the need to provide multipurpose spaces.

At my airport I was recently involved in renovating an existing terminal to accept new international flights. The terminal was originally constructed in 1984 and had no updates since and was not constructed with much thought except functionality . In order to meet international security, and debarkation requirements, DHS, Border Patrol and FAA requirements we had to incorporate multiple spaces designed to be used by people of all situations. It was tough making the space work, but we did it and it works.

 

[Legacy]

There have been co-ed dorms and floors for a while. Parents are assured of stalls with doors and showers with curtains.

 

[IrishLax]

She’s the a woman Secretary of the Treasury. Nothing else matters. Follow along.

 

[Blazers46]

It's a millions times fabricated. Because instead of finding issue with the system that doesn't know how to handle transgender inmates, you believe that it's actually the fault of transgender people. Somehow them wanting people to give them common decency is actually bad, and therefore it's too much to ask of people to address them how they want to be addressed.

I had a kid in my grade 10 science class who an asshole who happened to be gay, does that mean I should now discriminate against gay people? I mean comeeeee on.

Bad people will be bad people no matter their gender/race/nationality/sexuality whatever.

Thats unfair accusation there, bud. You obviously misread what I said to just simply argue whats not there for the sake of a "gotcha" moment. The very last sentence was my point. "They (the system) still does not know how to handle this." Hence, there might be a little outrage. Its a juvenile prison. We had parents not happy about their son being housed with a female... we had parents upset and show outrage their "daughter" was housed in an all male pod. I never injected myself in this at all. I am not saying there should be "outrage" in every situation but to say I understand some "outrage" in certain situations.

 

[TorontoGold]

Thats unfair accusation there, bud. You obviously misread what I said to just simply argue whats not there for the sake of a "gotcha" moment. The very last sentence was my point. "They (the system) still does not know how to handle this." Hence, there might be a little outrage. Its a juvenile prison. We had parents not happy about their son being housed with a female... we had parents upset and show outrage their "daughter" was housed in an all male pod. I never injected myself in this at all. I am not saying there should be "outrage" in every situation but to say I understand some "outrage" in certain situations.

When your contribution consists of a straw man to say "Well, actually..." a post where I responded to someone saying it's too much work to use someone's preferred pronouns, you dig your own grave then, pal.

 

[Blazers46]

When your contribution consists of a straw man to say "Well, actually..." a post where I responded to someone saying it's too much work to use someone's preferred pronouns, you dig your own grave then, pal.

Well actually there is real outrage and I can understand that outrage on the states side, the inmates side and the parents on both sides side. You just sound like a person that cannot take an argument contrary to your own. When you inroduce a person into a pod it changes the whole dynamic... when you introduce someone and you HAVE TO call them and label them a different sex than everyone else in the pod it creates a whole host of other different dynamic which could include the safety and security of people on that unit/pod... so yeah I would argue there would be some sort of consternation in this scenario.

I am just simply saying time and place. If someone born with a penis wants to be called ma'am at my job, sure no problem. But just because its easy at one place does not make it universally easy in all scenarios... is the point I am trying to make.

 

[NorthDakota]

When your contribution consists of a straw man to say "Well, actually..." a post where I responded to someone saying it's too much work to use someone's preferred pronouns, you dig your own grave then, pal.

Should we house biological males who identify as women in men's or women's prisons?