Biden Presidency

[Blazers46]

I listened to Donald's while I was at work and it was boring af.

At least we had Lady Gaga and JLO this time around.

 

[drayer54]

Except you literally posted this lie yesterday:

You're not entitled to alternative facts. Biden was literally the most centrist contender running for the Democratic nomination. Period. And he routinely campaigned on unity, which you can easily Google.

Left wing sources called him a "closet Republican" and criticized how much he works with Republicans:

After the Capitol riots he said this:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our way is plain: It is the way of democracy — of lawfulness, and of respect — respect for each other, and for our nation.</p>— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1346938341791387651?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
There is nothing "divisive" about that.

Trump had quotes calling for unity and togetherness and all that jazz- so that does mean he was seeking unity? These are not alternative facts. Biden looking moderate next to Bernie and Warren isn't saying anything. You don't need a poli-sci degree to recognize what even Biden has called the most progressive agenda in modern history.

I understand that the lunatics of the left think Joe isn't a full-on revolution liberal. This doesn't mean anything. His policy agenda is NOT MODERATE. That is a normal fact in real-life.

This is a good preview of the unity to come. Libs looking over after four years of neverending hysteria in confusion to see why we aren't unified yet.

 

[Blazers46]

Trump had quotes calling for unity and togetherness and all that jazz- so that does mean he was seeking unity? These are not alternative facts. Biden looking moderate next to Bernie and Warren isn't saying anything. You don't need a poli-sci degree to recognize what even Biden has called the most progressive agenda in modern history.

I understand that the lunatics of the left think Joe isn't a full-on revolution liberal. This doesn't mean anything. His policy agenda is NOT MODERATE. That is a normal fact in real-life.

This is a good preview of the unity to come. Libs looking over after four years of neverending hysteria in confusion to see why we aren't unified yet.

I think the unity message might get lost on the left entirely unless Biden totally caves and gives the left everythig they want.

 

[Irishize]

True, and he was also mean to Trump calling him the "worst president ever." I'm not saying he will perpetually be stuck in "aww shucks" mode where he's a soft blanket or won't ever go on offense when he thinks it is warranted, I'm saying he has a very long history of working across the aisle and I think the odds are strongly against him attacking conservatives (at-large) or elected officials on anything other than policy. I do not think you will see him call Ted Cruz's wife ugly or try to demonize people. I think you will see very measured rhetoric.

If he moves off that point an unfairly attacks/demeans people during his term I'll be the first to criticize him.

Yeah, that’s a fair assessment. I will hope for Joe to proceed in this manner. It’s only fair to give the new POTUS a chance regardless of how one feels about him or her.

 

[tussin]

I'm not sure what is complicated here. There are two people on this site who have made multiple posts which the expressed idea that Joe Biden isn't and hasn't been for uniting the country. So then when Biden was giving a speech dedicated almost entirely to the concept of unity and bringing America together, which completely undermines this premise, and I made a tongue-in-cheek post to that effect.

Joe Biden knows how to give a great “Aw shucks” Scranton-boy Joe speech. Props to him for that I suppose. But he routinely speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Joe routinely calls, or at the very least implies that, his political opponents are racist, which is literally the worst thing you can say about someone in modern America. He also fully accepts the theory that America’s foundational institutions are endemically racist. So he is not unifying nor is he particularly centrist at this point. He ran on the most progressive platform in history. A better word for him is inoffensive or something because he isn’t a total wild card like Trump.

 

[Rogue219]

I am sitting here worrying about the friends and family I know who were into this Qanon shit. Sincerely hope they do not harm themselves or others. Some real despair and anger, and while from some of them I totally expect that, there are some who were not into this shit less than a year ago.

Anyone who thinks today was a snap of the fingers to "everything is fine" has another thing coming.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I hope Biden is sincere and will actually follow through on genuinely trying to unify the country. I think it's an almost impossible task given the divisions, the rhetoric from both sides, and the pressure he'll be under from the radical branch of his own party, but let's hope. Every president says lots of feel good stuff and makes a lot of promises when they get sworn in. Maybe Joe actually means it and will follow through. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he succeeds. I hope he'll be given the same respect, treated as well, treated as fairly, and given the same opportunity to succeed as his predecessor.

 

[Blazers46]

I am sitting here worrying about the friends and family I know who were into this Qanon shit. Sincerely hope they do not harm themselves or others. Some real despair and anger, and while from some of them I totally expect that, there are some who were not into this shit less than a year ago.

Anyone who thinks today was a snap of the fingers to "everything is fine" has another thing coming.

I agree 100%. I have had so many conservative friends send me messges from Pasters even talking about preparing for "something massive" in the next 48-96 hours and sending people to the bomb shelter to take inventory. Its not even the far right, its even a lot on what I would think would be moderte right. So many people said so many things I almost found myself hoping something bad would happen just so the church or christians wouldn't lose a lot of credibility, a lot of idiots with egg on their face.

 

[dublinirish]

I agree 100%. I have had so many conservative friends send me messges from Pasters even talking about preparing for "something massive" in the next 48-96 hours and sending people to the bomb shelter to take inventory. Its not even the far right, its even a lot on what I would think would be moderte right. So many people said so many things I almost found myself hoping something bad would happen just so the church or christians wouldn't lose a lot of credibility, a lot of idiots with egg on their face.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Honestly we really are the cucks in the end," one despondent fan wrote about how Trumps presidency came to an end. <a href="https://t.co/KRNIvelOfA">https://t.co/KRNIvelOfA</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y6VAOCyFgD">pic.twitter.com/Y6VAOCyFgD</a></p>— Mack Lamoureux (@MackLamoureux) <a href="https://twitter.com/MackLamoureux/status/1351969407002685440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IrishLax]

Trump had quotes calling for unity and togetherness and all that jazz- so that does mean he was seeking unity?

Looking just at the most recent events, Trump started calling for "unity" after January 6th and before that spent the vast majority of his energy doing the literal opposite. All of his time from November until then was spent either attacking people or lying about a "stolen" election. The most shocking part was him attacking and threatening fellow Republicans who wouldn't break the law for him. His conduct towards Sterling, Raffensberger, Kemp, Ducey, and other officials cannot be called "unifying" by any stretch of the imagination. He even went after Pence calling him a "pussy" for wanting to follow the Constitution and not do something illegal. His comments towards led to people storming the Capitol chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" That's unity? That's bringing Americans together?

It's not about one statement, it's about a pattern of behavior. For Trump, I can find much more incendiary rhetoric over the past year than I can find legitimate efforts to bring people together. I can't say the same for Biden.

If a father is 95% of the time a caring, loving, and a good person... and a couple times yelled at his wife or kids... most would say he's kind person. If he spends 95% of his time yelling at his family you'd say he's abusive. And the inflection point is somewhere between those two extremes. Trump literally spent more time insulting his political opposition than any President in history.

 

[drayer54]

Looking just at the most recent events, Trump started calling for "unity" after January 6th and before that spent the vast majority of his energy doing the literal opposite. All of his time from November until then was spent either attacking people or lying about a "stolen" election. The most shocking part was him attacking and threatening fellow Republicans who wouldn't break the law for him. His conduct towards Sterling, Raffensberger, Kemp, Ducey, and other officials cannot be called "unifying" by any stretch of the imagination. He even went after Pence calling him a "pussy" for wanting to follow the Constitution and not do something illegal. His comments towards led to people storming the Capitol chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" That's unity? That's bringing Americans together?

It's not about one statement, it's about a pattern of behavior. For Trump, I can find much more incendiary rhetoric over the past year than I can find legitimate efforts to bring people together. I can't say the same for Biden.

If a father is 95% of the time a caring, loving, and a good person... and a couple times yelled at his wife or kids... most would say he's kind person. If he spends 95% of his time yelling at his family you'd say he's abusive. And the inflection point is somewhere between those two extremes. Trump literally spent more time insulting his political opposition than any President in history.

"At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us, how good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements, but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable. There should be no fear. We are protected, and we will always be protected. We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement. And most importantly, we will be protected by God."

That was four years ago. So he's good right?

 

[RDU Irish]

How pissed do you guys think RDU and Drayer are listening to this speech dedicated to unity, treating people with respect (even if they disagree with you), finding common ground, etc.

Unity is a naive fantasy. I can respect a difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I am united. Such a low T talking point for the kumbaya crowds who vote on their emotions instead of logic. Respect - not unity. Unity is an issue specific thing, not a general state. We can be united in our love of Notre Dame but that doesn't mean we have to be united on how we should handle Mike Brey or I should be forced to every give a shit about Lacrosse.

 

[RDU Irish]

Which actions are you referring to? Since becoming President he has:
1. Said a prayer for the 400k that have died to COVID.
2. Thanked Mike Pence.
3. Is on his way to Arlington National Cemetery for a memorial with past Presidents... except Trump, who refused to concede or attend the inauguration.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Biden's reputation in the Senate was for earnestly working across the aisle to pass bipartisan legislation, and he's been criticized by his own party for working too much with Republicans.

Not a single action he has taken has been to attack, disparage, or insult people on the "red team." Unlike his predecessor, who made a habit out of juvenile nicknames for opponents inside and outside his own party.

And btw, one side passing policy that Republicans don't like or Democrats isn't "anti-unity"... that's normal governmental function. What's anti-unity disparagement and vitriol towards the other side. Wake me up when Biden calls someone a "skank" or "crazy" or "dumbo" or a "monster."

You are a dog faced pony soldier, Jack. You should follow the Biden Insult Bot on Twitter - it is good stuff. Stop trying to deify politicians - that is exactly what they want and exactly why they look down on you.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Unity is a naive fantasy. I can respect a difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I am united. Such a low T talking point for the kumbaya crowds who vote on their emotions instead of logic. Respect - not unity. Unity is an issue specific thing, not a general state. We can be united in our love of Notre Dame but that doesn't mean we have to be united on how we should handle Mike Brey or I should be forced to every give a shit about Lacrosse.

Probably right about this. Forget about unity, we are too far apart to begin to talk about unity. If we could at least show each other some respect as we talk about difficult issues, we could at least begin to move forward. As it stands now Congress is totally dysfunctional. The politicians that actually do show respect to their counterparts across the aisle are targeted because they are not "true" Democrats or Republicans and are primaried out next cycle.

 

[Blazers46]

Unity is a naive fantasy. I can respect a difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I am united. Such a low T talking point for the kumbaya crowds who vote on their emotions instead of logic. Respect - not unity. Unity is an issue specific thing, not a general state. We can be united in our love of Notre Dame but that doesn't mean we have to be united on how we should handle Mike Brey or I should be forced to every give a shit about Lacrosse.

I think that is a good way to look at it. People could have 99% of things in common but if that 1% is politics people are wishing each other death.

 

[Blazers46]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Honestly we really are the cucks in the end," one despondent fan wrote about how Trumps presidency came to an end. <a href="https://t.co/KRNIvelOfA">https://t.co/KRNIvelOfA</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y6VAOCyFgD">pic.twitter.com/Y6VAOCyFgD</a></p>— Mack Lamoureux (@MackLamoureux) <a href="https://twitter.com/MackLamoureux/status/1351969407002685440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A lot of conservatives might still be waiting for China to topple us ascending from the Canadian border. Some might have taken their ball and went home. I just know a lot of my conservative friends are very confused right now.

 

[drayer54]

I agree 100%. I have had so many conservative friends send me messges from Pasters even talking about preparing for "something massive" in the next 48-96 hours and sending people to the bomb shelter to take inventory. Its not even the far right, its even a lot on what I would think would be moderte right. So many people said so many things I almost found myself hoping something bad would happen just so the church or christians wouldn't lose a lot of credibility, a lot of idiots with egg on their face.

I'm blown away by some of the stupidity that I've seen. All I can figure is that our country has lost any reference of credibility. We are so post persuasion in this country that nobody is willing to listen to anyone and on the right because the media is 100% trash- people have gone to other places for information, and in some cases, they are heavily flawed. The whiny bitch fest we saw for four years can't go on from the right. I'm not sure who will guide the party out but I just want to go shake some of these people who still share Lin Wood stuff.

 

[IrishLax]

"At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice. The Bible tells us, how good and pleasant it is when God's people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements, but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable. There should be no fear. We are protected, and we will always be protected. We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement. And most importantly, we will be protected by God."

That was four years ago. So he's good right?

I said "Looking just at the most recent events" and "It's not about one statement, it's about a pattern of behavior"... and you quote his inaugural where he then abandoned those positions and that temperament within a week.

For a refresher on his behavior and rhetoric, here is list of all of the times divisive Trump insulted someone on Twitter over his Presidency -- <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A list I am proud to be on.<a href="https://t.co/1uGgiMmQfd">https://t.co/1uGgiMmQfd</a></p>— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) <a href="https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1351719365943635969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I would love to contrast it to Biden's list but there isn't one.

 

[RDU Irish]

Except you literally posted this lie yesterday:

You're not entitled to alternative facts. Biden was literally the most centrist contender running for the Democratic nomination. Period. And he routinely campaigned on unity, which you can easily Google.

Left wing sources called him a "closet Republican" and criticized how much he works with Republicans:

After the Capitol riots he said this:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our way is plain: It is the way of democracy — of lawfulness, and of respect — respect for each other, and for our nation.</p>— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1346938341791387651?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
There is nothing "divisive" about that.

If all of those "likes" are from Americans then about 1 in 1000 liked this boring AF tweet. I am happy for you that a few platitudes from your ruling class does so much to calm your soul. Trump gets eyeballs b/c he is a slow motion train wreck that everyone can't help but slow down to rubber neck at. It is how he stood out from the crowd and surprised the establishment. It is his fatal flaw - had he just STFU for a year on Twitter he would be starting his second term today. People can be smart in some ways and dumb AF in others.

But you don't get to re-write history with Joe as some incredible statesman. He has been one of the dimmest bulbs in the room for as long as he has been in DC. Probably happy when Mazie Horono came to town take him out of the annual "Dumbest Senator" debate.

 

[Irish#1]

Looking just at the most recent events, Trump started calling for "unity" after January 6th and before that spent the vast majority of his energy doing the literal opposite. All of his time from November until then was spent either attacking people or lying about a "stolen" election. The most shocking part was him attacking and threatening fellow Republicans who wouldn't break the law for him. His conduct towards Sterling, Raffensberger, Kemp, Ducey, and other officials cannot be called "unifying" by any stretch of the imagination. He even went after Pence calling him a "pussy" for wanting to follow the Constitution and not do something illegal. His comments towards led to people storming the Capitol chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" That's unity? That's bringing Americans together?

It's not about one statement, it's about a pattern of behavior. For Trump, I can find much more incendiary rhetoric over the past year than I can find legitimate efforts to bring people together. I can't say the same for Biden.

If a father is 95% of the time a caring, loving, and a good person... and a couple times yelled at his wife or kids... most would say he's kind person. If he spends 95% of his time yelling at his family you'd say he's abusive. And the inflection point is somewhere between those two extremes. Trump literally spent more time insulting his political opposition than any President in history.

DJT tried to run things as a business and for many parts succeeded and did pretty well. Where he failed miserably was on the decorum side and trying to bully people with his comments, tweets and disregarding his subject matter experts when it came to COVID. He never allowed himself to acquiesce to the experts. I guess he must have thought that made him look stupid. And all this time all he had to do was act presidential.

 

[IrishLax]

Unity is a naive fantasy. I can respect a difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I am united. Such a low T talking point for the kumbaya crowds who vote on their emotions instead of logic. Respect - not unity. Unity is an issue specific thing, not a general state. We can be united in our love of Notre Dame but that doesn't mean we have to be united on how we should handle Mike Brey or I should be forced to every give a shit about Lacrosse.

Biden actually made exactly this point, and gave a list in his inaugural of what he is calling for unity on:

What are the common objects we love that define us as Americans?

Opportunity.

Security.

Liberty.

Dignity.

Respect.

Honor.

 

[NorthDakota]

A lot of conservatives might still be waiting for China to topple us ascending from the Canadian border. Some might have taken their ball and went home. I just know a lot of my conservative friends are very confused right now.

On the bright side, the hard part is probably over.

Joe Biden has been inaugurated. So those who were like "well it ain't over yet..." start facing that the clock hit 0:00.

Obviously some of them are going to be in denial but the court challenges are gone, the Don is no longer the President, and the sun will come up tomorrow without Chinese troops scaling the walls at Minot and Grand Forks AFB. If that continues on long enough, the anger of being cheated will hopefully dissipate.

I got some friends that are super into conspiracy stuff. Rather than call them idiots and tell them they are wrong I generally just wait until they find a new angle that disproves the old theory.

"So it turned out, I was completely wrong that we faked the moon landing. We actually landed on the moon, but they recorded it in a Hollywood studio because obviously cameras in the 60's couldn't transmit through Russian satellite jamming signals."

^ not a theory I've ever heard btw.

 

[NorthDakota]

If all of those "likes" are from Americans then about 1 in 1000 liked this boring AF tweet.

Twitter is a bubble and Trump made many enemies. So every lib with a Twitter account (Twitter is wayyyy further left than even the Dem platform) in the US, Europe, etc is gonna hit the like button on that.

Off topic but we had a Twitter moment today in class. A student was asked how much more he'd be willing to pay for a car if the car emitted a noise that would alert nearby blind people not to walk into the street. The professor had to stop raising the price because the kid either A.) Has zero concept of money or B.) Didn't want to appear to others as though there was some price he was unwilling to pay to ensure the safety of a protected class.

Twitter and Facebook turn into largely the same thing for people I think. They end up associating with like minded people and start to conform their views to the most "pure" form of their group's core beliefs. Law school seems to be fairly similar.

Random observation that is very unrelated but it made me chuckle all the same.

 

[RDU Irish]

I said "Looking just at the most recent events" and "It's not about one statement, it's about a pattern of behavior"... and you quote his inaugural where he then abandoned those positions and that temperament within a week.

For a refresher on his behavior and rhetoric, here is list of all of the times divisive Trump insulted someone on Twitter over his Presidency -- <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A list I am proud to be on.<a href="https://t.co/1uGgiMmQfd">https://t.co/1uGgiMmQfd</a></p>— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) <a href="https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1351719365943635969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I would love to contrast it to Biden's list but there isn't one.

If Trump could forget his phone passcode like Biden it would be a shorter list too.

 

[RDU Irish]

Biden actually made exactly this point, and gave a list in his inaugural of what he is calling for unity on:

Nice platitudes - but you have to be able to respect the multitude of ways each of these concepts can be pursued.

Opportunity. Everyone should have the opportunity to loot and riot.

Security. Rioters should feel secure while breaking windows and throwing bricks at police.

Liberty. Bail them out and don't press charges.

Dignity. Rioters should not be subjected to arrest by dirty pig cops

Respect. Respect the right to burn and loot and trample on big corporations (or ma and pa car dealerships) who have insurance anyway.

Honor. - Celebrate these brave things that used to be called men and women.

If you can't agree to the above then you are a racist, unless the riot was in DC then it is all wrong. Capuche?

 

[Blazers46]

On the bright side, the hard part is probably over.

Joe Biden has been inaugurated. So those who were like "well it ain't over yet..." start facing that the clock hit 0:00.

Obviously some of them are going to be in denial but the court challenges are gone, the Don is no longer the President, and the sun will come up tomorrow without Chinese troops scaling the walls at Minot and Grand Forks AFB. If that continues on long enough, the anger of being cheated will hopefully dissipate.

I got some friends that are super into conspiracy stuff. Rather than call them idiots and tell them they are wrong I generally just wait until they find a new angle that disproves the old theory.

"So it turned out, I was completely wrong that we faked the moon landing. We actually landed on the moon, but they recorded it in a Hollywood studio because obviously cameras in the 60's couldn't transmit through Russian satellite jamming signals."

^ not a theory I've ever heard btw.

Its like 4th of July and you light the fuse of the $500 grande finale and poof, dud.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

How pissed do you guys think RDU and Drayer are listening to this speech dedicated to unity, treating people with respect (even if they disagree with you), finding common ground, etc.

Lax I respect the hell out of you, and moreso than plenty of guys on here but let me offer this perspective:

Calling for unity is all well and good, but let's see what happens in the next two years with legislation considering Dems can do whatever the hell they want and no one in their way.

I don't have a crystal ball but I fully expect the Dems to roll out a bunch of social justice/ redistribution programs. And if they use the same playbook they did with Obama in office, anyone who disagrees with any of their ideas will be branded a racist/ nationalist/ white supremacist/ Nazi.

 

[TorontoGold]

What are the far left policies many are speculating that Biden will roll out?

 

[goldandblue]

Lax I respect the hell out of you, and moreso than plenty of guys on here but let me offer this perspective:

Calling for unity is all well and good, but let's see what happens in the next two years with legislation considering Dems can do whatever the hell they want and no one in their way.

I don't have a crystal ball but I fully expect the Dems to roll out a bunch of social justice/ redistribution programs. And if they use the same playbook they did with Obama in office, anyone who disagrees with any of their ideas will be branded a racist/ nationalist/ white supremacist/ Nazi.

Your misunderstood. That is the right playbook for all Americans. We just dont understand that yet. Shame on those of us who don't see it.

 

[GoIrish41]

Lax I respect the hell out of you, and moreso than plenty of guys on here but let me offer this perspective:

Calling for unity is all well and good, but let's see what happens in the next two years with legislation considering Dems can do whatever the hell they want and no one in their way.

I don't have a crystal ball but I fully expect the Dems to roll out a bunch of social justice/ redistribution programs. And if they use the same playbook they did with Obama in office, anyone who disagrees with any of their ideas will be branded a racist/ nationalist/ white supremacist/ Nazi.

Nah just the ones who are racist, nationalist/ white supremacists/Nazis. The rest of you are just wrong. Elections have consequences. Did I say that right?