2016 Presidential Horse Race

[woolybug25]

Classy per usual.

Deflect, insult, and repeat.

Coming from you, that's rich.

 

[GATTACA!]

Coming from you, that's rich.

Ah gotcha maybe it would be better if I call you a mouth breathing morally corrupt shitty human being, then turn around and ask for decorum.

 

[woolybug25]

Ah gotcha maybe it would be better if I call you a mouth breathing morally corrupt shitty human being, then turn around and ask for decorum.

I don't think you know what decorum means.

Think whatever you want, as your thoughts are pretty meaningless to me. I stand by both comments, and in context, both were correct.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't think you know what decorum means.

Think whatever you want, as your thoughts are pretty meaningless to me. I stand by both comments, and in context, both were correct.

Yeah I'm pretty sure you're the one that doesn't know what decorum is if you think name calling and insults are a a good example.

 

[dshans]

TIME OUT.

COME BACK IN 48 HOURS.

Think of what you've said.

Alone.

For an hour.

Then go outside to play catch.

 

[ACamp1900]

Pretty sure wooly cant catch... and throws like a girl.

 

[GATTACA!]

TIME OUT.

COME BACK IN 48 HOURS.

Think of what you've said.

Alone.

For an hour.

Then go outside to play catch.

Can I play Pokemon Go instead?

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Pretty sure wooly cant catch... and throws like a girl.

Hold Me

 

[BGIF]

Pretty sure wooly cant catch... and throws like a girl.

Ad herinems!

Have you no shame?

 

[pkt77242]

W. Va. lawmaker under fire for Clinton death tweet

 

[phgreek]

W. Va. lawmaker under fire for Clinton death tweet

No room for that...come on man...I hate her too, but damn. People don't even go there on message boards, much less from a position of public trust...idiot.

I will say...will those same folks be outraged, and take to social media when protesters in Cleveland punch people for donning Trump gear? Will they ignore it or dance around the edges of suggesting Trump brings it on...we'll see, but you can bet it will happen, and it will be caught on camera.

 

[GATTACA!]

W. Va. lawmaker under fire for Clinton death tweet

Gross. Way over the line.

 

[GATTACA!]

More Sanders voters say they will choose 'other,' or not vote, than back Clinton

A new Economist/YouGov poll showed that the email scandal, and FBI Director James Comey's charge that Clinton's behavior was "extremely careless," has led Sanders backers to abandon the former secretary of State. Since Comey's House testimony, support for Clinton has dropped 12 points, to 41 percent. For the first time, Sanders supporters now prefer either someone else or they won't vote.

 

[dshans]

Wilfred Owens –

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori."

 

[Emcee77]

The United States of Trump? - POLITICO Magazine

Some interesting stuff about Trump and his prospects in Florida. I thought this part was particularly interesting:

At first blush, Trump’s immigration policies might not seem disqualifying for a Florida audience. A majority of the state’s 4.8 million Hispanics are either Cubans, who get special legal status once they set foot in America, or Puerto Ricans, who are U.S. citizens, so walls and deportations aren’t necessarily relevant to their lives. But Hispanics in both parties describe Trump as an inadvertently unifying figure for a community traditionally fractured by national origin, income and immigration status. He has crossed lines of disrespect that always seemed uncrossable, openly describing “the Hispanics” as a “them” distinct from the American “us.”

At a Republican focus group last fall, a Cuban-American from conservative Seminole County was asked about Trump’s description of Mexicans who cross the border illegally as rapists. “He’s calling all of us Hispanics rapists,” the man replied. A GOP strategist who was there said he’d never seen that kind of solidarity before. Similarly, at a Democratic focus group this spring, an Orlando-area Puerto Rican was asked about Trump’s deportation policies. “He wants to go after Mexicans now, but we’ll be next,” the man said. A Democratic strategist who watched the session said he had never seen such hostility toward a national candidate.

One more story, this one from Carmen Dominguez, a Puerto Rican homebuilder from Winter Park who happens to be my mother-in-law. She’s lived in Central Florida for 38 years, and even though the region used to be overwhelmingly Anglo—my wife was the only “Spanish” kid in her class—she never faced any overt anti-Hispanic sentiment. But in May, some jerk at the grocery store told her to go back to her own country, an error (tactical as well as factual, if you know Carmen) that she blames on Trump emboldening racists to express their ugly feelings without shame. She’s a registered Republican, but she wouldn’t vote for Trump at gunpoint.

That last part corroborates some of what NDinLA has been saying about what he has been experiencing during this campaign.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

BuzzFeed's McKay Coppins just published an article about Trump titled "How the Haters and Losers Lost." Too long to recreate here, but it's full of incredible gems about Trump's campaign.

 

[pkt77242]

Fact check: Donald Trump's false and misleading claims

Most of us know that Trump is a blowhard, but it is rather shocking how many times/how often he just makes up random shit to fit his narrative. The man has no use for facts.


*This isn't to say that Clinton is always honest and there is definitely questions about lies and evasions for her as well (though mostly limited to a few topics, albeit important ones), but the shear breadth of Trump's exaggerations, wrong information, incorrect numbers and outright lies is somewhat shocking.

 

[wizards8507]

Matt Drudge is the man who could have stopped Donald Trump - Business Insider

Fact check: Donald Trump's false and misleading claims

Most of us know that Trump is a blowhard, but it is rather shocking how many times/how often he just makes up random shit to fit his narrative. The man has no use for facts.

*This isn't to say that Clinton is always honest and there is definitely questions about lies and evasions for her as well (though mostly limited to a few topics, albeit important ones), but the shear breadth of Trump's exaggerations, wrong information, incorrect numbers and outright lies is somewhat shocking.

That's what was so frustrating to those of us who were anti-Trump in the primaries. The dude legitimately makes things up out of thin air and somehow it never sticks.

 

[woolybug25]

I really believe that there is something to the conspiracy theories with Trump. I mean... How in the hell does plagiarism from, of all places, a Michelle Obama speech not get caught by the speech writers, etc? Did no one, not one single person, vett her content?

The speech she stole from was Michelle's speech at the DNC for crying out loud. There will obviously be comparisons between the current first lady's speech and the one given from a hopeful First Lady. What were they thinking?

Melania Trump’s speech plagiarised Michelle Obama: Video

 

[Ndaccountant]

Fact check: Donald Trump's false and misleading claims

Most of us know that Trump is a blowhard, but it is rather shocking how many times/how often he just makes up random shit to fit his narrative. The man has no use for facts.


*This isn't to say that Clinton is always honest and there is definitely questions about lies and evasions for her as well (though mostly limited to a few topics, albeit important ones), but the shear breadth of Trump's exaggerations, wrong information, incorrect numbers and outright lies is somewhat shocking.

If it weren't a presidential election, I would find it hilarious. The guy is making a mockery out of the system (Republicans at this point, maybe the country) and is apparently doing it just as a big FU (two letter summary of the article Whiskey posted above). Seriously....he is like Peter Gibbons after hypnosis, just dgaf and somehow has succeeded at doing it.

 

[kmoose]

I really believe that there is something to the conspiracy theories with Trump. I mean... How in the hell does plagiarism from, of all places, a Michelle Obama speech not get caught by the speech writers, etc? Did no one, not one single person, vett her content?

The speech she stole from was Michelle's speech at the DNC for crying out loud. There will obviously be comparisons between the current first lady's speech and the one given from a hopeful First Lady. What were they thinking?

Melania Trump’s speech plagiarised Michelle Obama: Video

*shrugs* She "plagiarized" a bunch of clichés. If they had checked to see if anyone ever said, "I believe in working hard, doing what I say I will, and treating people with respect.", I think they would have come up with 10s of thousands of potential issues.

 

[dublinirish]

I really believe that there is something to the conspiracy theories with Trump. I mean... How in the hell does plagiarism from, of all places, a Michelle Obama speech not get caught by the speech writers, etc? Did no one, not one single person, vett her content?

The speech she stole from was Michelle's speech at the DNC for crying out loud. There will obviously be comparisons between the current first lady's speech and the one given from a hopeful First Lady. What were they thinking?

Melania Trump’s speech plagiarised Michelle Obama: Video

lots of rumours of in-fighting in the trump camp, somebody did this to sabotage them. Did you see the RickRoll reference? It cant just be an oversight

 

[GowerND11]

*shrugs* She "plagiarized" a bunch of clichés. If they had checked to see if anyone ever said, "I believe in working hard, doing what I say I will, and treating people with respect.", I think they would have come up with 10s of thousands of potential issues.

She didn't didn't just use the same cliches. She said them in the exact same order. It wasn't just one or two, but they were ALL the same. That's bad.

 

[kmoose]

She didn't didn't just use the same cliches. She said them in the exact same order. It wasn't just one or two, but they were ALL the same. That's bad.

Ok then............. I won't vote for her.

 

[wizards8507]

She didn't didn't just use the same cliches. She said them in the exact same order. It wasn't just one or two, but they were ALL the same. That's bad.

Does anyone actually give a single flying fuck? Every single nominee's spouse could give the exact same speech from now until kingdom come and my panties would remain bunch-free.

 

[irishfan]

Could have been someone trying to sabotage. Could have been an oversight.

Maybe his camp is hoping she'll get attacked by media/Hillary and that will backfire on them? Who knows? Every time the Trump team seems to say or do something "stupid" it turns into more of a positive than anything. He'd probably love for any Dems out there to mock his wife since it would backfire horribly.

It was what, like 6-7 sentences of fluff? I'd love to see them trot her out there Wednesday or Thursday night again for a different speech for the attention. Something tells me they'll turn this into a positive going forward. Every speech she gives going forward will get about 10x the attention and her speeches are only there to "humanize" Trump.

 

[GowerND11]

Does anyone actually give a single flying fuck? Every single nominee's spouse could give the exact same speech from now until kingdom come and my panties would remain bunch-free.

I agree. It really shouldn't matter what she said. The point though is, why even allow that to happen? If the spouse's speech shouldn't be a big deal, don't put her/him in a position to be blasted for saying the same damn thing as the current First Lady.

 

[woolybug25]

*shrugs* She "plagiarized" a bunch of clichés. If they had checked to see if anyone ever said, "I believe in working hard, doing what I say I will, and treating people with respect.", I think they would have come up with 10s of thousands of potential issues.

Nobody is saying that the oversight makes her incpable of being a First Lady, etc. But I don't get why people could think it's not a big deal. It's not like she used "common cliches" like you said, she used her talking points verbatim, in order. She did so on a night that was supposed to be about uniting the party, instead, we are talking about a first lady's speech. It shows either direct sabotage or utter incompetence.

Every news outlet in the country is talking about this morning. Acting like it doesn't matter is ignoring the obvious. It does matter because people obviously see it as a bad story for Trump.

 

[wizards8507]

I agree. It really shouldn't matter what she said. The point though is, why even allow that to happen? If the spouse's speech shouldn't be a big deal, don't put her/him in a position to be blasted for saying the same damn thing as the current First Lady.

Nobody is saying that the oversight makes her incpable of being a First Lady, etc. But I don't get why people could think it's not a big deal. It's not like she used "common cliches" like you said, she used her talking points verbatim, in order. She did so on a night that was supposed to be about uniting the party, instead, we are talking about a first lady's speech. It shows either direct sabotage or utter incompetence.

If I had to guess, I honestly wouldn't be surprised to learn that they did this on purpose to troll us all. It's working.

Every news outlet in the country is talking about this morning. Acting like it doesn't matter is ignoring the obvious. It does matter because people obviously see it as a bad story for Trump.

You're right in a normal election year, but this ain't that. Every single solitary time that Trump has gotten "bad press," he's seen bumps in the polls.

 

[Emcee77]

This Melania Trump/Michelle Obama thing is just so weird.

I agree with those who are saying that it doesn't much matter substantively, but on the other hand it would sure seem like the Trumps wouldn't want to be noticed borrowing anything from the Obamas, so it opens the Trumps up to jokes. I just can't understand how that happened.