BCS rankings 2013

[koonja]

We are Stanford's biggest fans until the last game of the season.

I hope they lose every game they have left.

At 10-2 we'll go to a BCS game, no matter what IMO.

 

[palinurus]

I get the calculus, and three wins over garbage teams don't help, but Nebraska and AZ St. ahead of us is ridiculous. Nebby has beaten trash, and lost by 20 to the only good team (UCLA) they played. We beat AZ St and have the same record. Our ranking in itself is not offensive, but relative to those two teams, it is ludicrous.

 

[koonja]

You guys have to realize that conference games are just picking up now, and there will be a lot of top 25 teams beating one another.

It happens every year.

A 10-2 ND team will not be left out of a BCS game.

 

[NDfan12]

Irish won't be ranked until they're 6-2 maybe even 7-2. Shouldn't have lost that Michigan game.

 

[NDfan12]

You guys have to realize that conference games are just picking up now, and there will be a lot of top 25 teams beating one another.

It happens every year.

A 10-2 ND team will not be left out of a BCS game.

Heck..an 9-3 Irish team might get some BCS love..folks know ND fans will travel..ND also = ratings.

 

[wizards8507]

Heck..an 9-3 Irish team might get some BCS love..folks know ND fans will travel..ND also = ratings.

A 9-3 ND team would likely be outside of the top 14 and therefore ineligible, regardless of our "draw."

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[IrishLax]

The only thing I take exception to are all the highly ranked non-AQ by voters for seemingly no reason. What has Fresno State done? Northern Illinois? UCF and Louisville are technically AQ in the American I think... but jesus... have you seen those schedules?

We have a major perception issue with front loading our schedule. Everyone else backloads and gets way more bang for their buck with the voters. The only way we get left out is if you 4x crappy non-AQ schools slotted ahead of us at 10-2/9-3. That'd be lame.

 

[GATTACA!]

How the **** does ASU have more votes than us in the AP??

 

[IrishLax]

How the **** does ASU have more votes than us in the AP??

1. People think we suck because perception is reality. Why is LSU who has one "meh" quality win over Auburn and two losses to unranked teams ranked 13th while we're unranked with losses to 1-loss Oklahoma/Michigan and wins over MSU/ASU? How can anyone explain Miami... who barely beat horrible Florida on sheer dumb luck and should've lost to UNC this week... being ranked ahead of Baylor who is just roasting their competition? Polls are the worst thing ever. And football -- the most important college sport -- is the only one where they matter at all. And not only do they matter, they are the end-all be-all. Ridiculous.

2. ASU is good. Really good. They just spanked the living hell out of Washington and their only losses are to Stanford and us. Their offense is incredibly explosive. If they were in the SEC, they'd be ranked something ridiculous like 15th at worst.

Right now there are a clear top 3 teams and then #4 to #30 have very little separation at all. So polls will continue to be silly until people stop circle jerking the SEC and there is some separation in the other power conferences.

 

[drayer54]

If ND can take care of business and not win sloppily, the next few weeks will take care of themself. In case you haven't seen them, Baylor is good...really good.

 

[blueNDgold44]

If ND can take care of business and not win sloppily, the next few weeks will take care of themself. In case you haven't seen them, Baylor is good...really good.

I take it you missed their game against K State

 

[NDWorld247]

If ND can take care of business and not win sloppily, the next few weeks will take care of themself. In case you haven't seen them, Baylor is good...really good.

I take it you missed their game against K State

I think Baylor is the real deal, but it will be interesting to see how they perform on the road this season. So far, the only game they 'struggled' in came on the road to KSU. They have been absolutely dominant at home though. Fortunately for them they play Oklahoma and Texas Tech at home before going on the road @ OK State and TCU.

 

[NDWorld247]

1. People think we suck because perception is reality. Why is LSU who has one "meh" quality win over Auburn and two losses to unranked teams ranked 13th while we're unranked with losses to 1-loss Oklahoma/Michigan and wins over MSU/ASU? How can anyone explain Miami... who barely beat horrible Florida on sheer dumb luck and should've lost to UNC this week... being ranked ahead of Baylor who is just roasting their competition? Polls are the worst thing ever. And football -- the most important college sport -- is the only one where they matter at all. And not only do they matter, they are the end-all be-all. Ridiculous.

2. ASU is good. Really good. They just spanked the living hell out of Washington and their only losses are to Stanford and us. Their offense is incredibly explosive. If they were in the SEC, they'd be ranked something ridiculous like 15th at worst.

Right now there are a clear top 3 teams and then #4 to #30 have very little separation at all. So polls will continue to be silly until people stop circle jerking the SEC and there is some separation in the other power conferences.

It's no coincidence 3 of the 4 two-loss teams in the top 25 are SEC (LSU, A&M, SCar). The other is Wisconsin who lost to ASU. I think we belong in the top 25 and could make a case our losses are better than LSU and SCar, but I'm not outraged right now. As you said, the polls are silly right now.

 

[blueNDgold44]

I think Baylor is the real deal, but it will be interesting to see how they perform on the road this season. So far, the only game they 'struggled' in came on the road to KSU. They have been absolutely dominant at home though. Fortunately for them they play Oklahoma and Texas Tech at home before going on the road @ OK State and TCU.

5 straight tough games for them in a row w/o a bye. I think they lose 2 of 5 out of OU, TTU, OSU, TCU, and Texas.

 

[IrishLax]

ASU is 15th, 26th, 18th, 14th, 28th, 18th... or 19.8... so that's pretty darn good and pollsters aren't giving them enough credit.

Notre Dame is 29th, 12th, 20th, 33rd, 26th, 21st... average of 23.5... so taking out human pollsters, we're just inside the top 25.

Also, discovered this very random but interesting historical view on program success as aggregated and evaluated by a numerical method. Alabama just passed up Michigan for #2... Notre Dame still holds #1 with Alabama closing the gap more every year: Breaking

EDIT: those are the BCS computer rankings.

 

[drayer54]

I think Baylor is the real deal, but it will be interesting to see how they perform on the road this season. So far, the only game they 'struggled' in came on the road to KSU. They have been absolutely dominant at home though. Fortunately for them they play Oklahoma and Texas Tech at home before going on the road @ OK State and TCU.

I did see KSU and still think they are an exceptional football team that could compete with any of them. Baylor is good. If they run the table, then they deserve to be in the discussion.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Updated F/+ rankings were released today.

Of note are Stanford at 3, ASU at 6, BYU at 19, and USC at 21.

 

[IrishLax]

Still have no idea how we beat ASU. I mean, we really shut down one of the most prolific offenses in college football... and more than that, an offense that is designed to play to our weaknesses. Insane performance that people don't realize how good it was because ASU is underrated by pollsters. The only explanation I have is Shamrock Series magic.

 

[arrowryan]

Still have no idea how we beat ASU. I mean, we really shut down one of the most prolific offenses in college football... and more than that, an offense that is designed to play to our weaknesses. Insane performance that people don't realize how good it was because ASU is underrated by pollsters. The only explanation I have is Shamrock Series magic.

It seems like our defense is finally starting to come into form. Young guys are getting real game experience and our best d-lineman is getting healthy

 

[ickythump1225]

I have no doubt that in 1-3 weeks we'll be ranked and by the time we roll into Stanford we could be a top 15 team.

 

[condoms SUCk]

We have to have blow out wins over Air Force and Navy in order to have a chance at getting a BCS game IMO. I mean total domination,running up the score. I know margin of victory doesn't count in computer rankings but we have to impress the human voters to get a chance.
We can't barley beat two teams that and solid top 20 team would thrash. I know running up the score is not something we usually do out of respect, but we may want to rethink that. Human voter will see a close victory's as validation that ND is not a top 20-25 team.
My thought process is ND needs to be somewhere between 25-20 before Navy. A high teen-20 ranked team before BYU and a solid mid teen 13-16 ranked team heading into the off week. I think we could drop a slot or two due to ND not playing and someone leapfrogging us.
And then it all comes down to a win over Stanford, if we do that we would be a solid 8-13 ranked team and would be able to withstand anyone jumping us due to Conference Championship games and the off chance a non-AQ gets into the BCS mix. But again JMO

 

[Whiskeyjack]

We have to have blow out wins over Air Force and Navy in order to have a chance at getting a BCS game IMO. I mean total domination,running up the score.

This is simply not true. Take a look at the final BCS poll from last season. 9 of the top 14 finished the regular season with at least 2 losses, and two of them (Clemson & FSU) had a significantly weaker SoS than we'll have this season.

There's no need for hand-wringing over MoV or our opponents' W/L record. No 10-2 ND team will finish ranked outside of the top 14. Full stop. If we win out, we're going to a BCS bowl.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This is simply not true. Take a look at the final BCS poll from last season. 9 of the top 14 finished the regular season with at least 2 losses, and two of them (Clemson & FSU) had a significantly weaker SoS than we'll have this season.

There's no need for hand-wringing over MoV or our opponents' W/L record. No 10-2 ND team will finish ranked outside of the top 14. Full stop. If we win out, we're going to a BCS bowl.

Agree. But some of the Irish posters don't need to look past BYU. I am sure ole BM will have his team prepared. He usually does.

 

[condoms SUCk]

This is simply not true. Take a look at the final BCS poll from last season. 9 of the top 14 finished the regular season with at least 2 losses, and two of them (Clemson & FSU) had a significantly weaker SoS than we'll have this season.

There's no need for hand-wringing over MoV or our opponents' W/L record. No 10-2 ND team will finish ranked outside of the top 14. Full stop. If we win out, we're going to a BCS bowl.

In all due respect Whisky, I currently see an unranked ND team in week 9 with 5 games left, 4 of which are against rather weak opponents. So some of those "win by the skin of our teeth" victories would not be all that helpful moving up spots, but a win is a win.
Michigan is going lose 1 maybe even 2 or 3 more games, Oklahoma could, lose to Texas Tech, Baylor, and Oklahoma St. So the 2 teams we lost too could have a combined loss total of 4-7 losses!!!! That's not going to get us any love from the computers on our SOS.
A win over Stanford could/ would put us into the top 14, but I would counter that we need to be within striking distance before that game, I think we need to win convincingly to make moves up the rankings, high teens-20 range. I don't see a scenario where a win over 1 loss Stanford could move us up 6+ spots.
Keep in mind that Stanford plays Oregon St this week and Oregon. So if they lose 1 of those 2 games will a win over a 2 loss Stanford team hold that much weight?

All I'm saying is we need to make moves up the rankings incase our strength of schedule suffers a hit due to Michigan and OU stumbles, or even God forbid Stanford. So blowing out some of our weaker opponents will do just that.

Could you be right that a 10-2 ND team will be NOT be left out of a BCS game? Sure, I will concede that point, if you are also willing to concede to my point that providing high quality wins (blow outs) over inferior opponents would be advantageous for ND as a hedge against a potential sinking SOS.

And to be honest, I just want to see some good o'l a$$ kicking by ND for once.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Agree. But some of the Irish posters don't need to look past BYU. I am sure ole BM will have his team prepared. He usually does.

You're right TT, that game is a little scary for me. Could be a defensive knockout drag out. 7-10 score type game where the punters legs fall off after the 3rd quarter.

 

[NDWorld247]

In all due respect Whisky, I currently see an unranked ND team in week 9 with 5 games left, 4 of which are against rather weak opponents.

Honestly, I wouldn't call BYU or Pitt weak opponents. They aren't top 25 teams, but they are respectable.

Could you be right that a 10-2 ND team will be NOT be left out of a BCS game? Sure, I will concede that point, if you are also willing to concede to my point that providing high quality wins (blow outs) over inferior opponents would be advantageous for ND as a hedge against a potential sinking SOS.

A 3-loss Stanford, Oklahoma and/or Michigan looks bad to us, but compare it to some of the other teams in the country and we'll still be sitting with a top 20 SOS when all is said and done. I'm not worried about the computers, however, I agree style points over our remaining schedule would be advantageous with the pollsters.

And to be honest, I just want to see some good o'l a$$ kicking by ND for once.

Amen to that.

 

[phork]

I am in the boat headed to the non-BCS game. Just don't think its happening this year fellas.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Honestly, I wouldn't call BYU or Pitt weak opponents. They aren't top 25 teams, but they are respectable.

OK, I'll concede to you that BYU and Pitt are respectable more than weak. As past experience has shown us those two games will be dog fights more than likely and style points would be hard to come by.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Agree. But some of the Irish posters don't need to look past BYU. I am sure ole BM will have his team prepared. He usually does.

The advanced stats indicate that BYU is going to be a really tough matchup-- they've got an average offense, but Mendenhall's defense is elite (as usual). Fortunately, they've got a couple tough games against Boise State and Wisconsin before we face them, so we'll have a much better idea of their quality in a couple weeks.

Could you be right that a 10-2 ND team will be NOT be left out of a BCS game? Sure, I will concede that point, if you are also willing to concede to my point that providing high quality wins (blow outs) over inferior opponents would be advantageous for ND as a hedge against a potential sinking SOS.

Of course I concede that blowing out inferior opponents is helpful with pollsters, but I still think you're exaggerating the risk that our SoS will tank. Sagarin ranks our SoS to date at 19th. AF and Navy are bad, but Pitt is average, BYU will probably be ranked, and Stanford is elite. As usual, our SoS will take care of itself; when one of our opponents is down, another is exceeding expectations. I see no reason to worry that our SoS won't be top-25 this year as well.

 

[irishog77]

As sort of an aside to Whiskey mentioning BYU, I appreciate the schedule they compiled this year. Only a couple of dog-sh!t teams, all over the country, a couple/few powers, and mainly fairly solid weekly competition. I'd buy them a beer if they could drink it.

Sat, Aug 31
@
Virginia
L 16 - 19
Final
Sat, Sep 7
vs.
Texas
W 21 - 40
Final
Sat, Sep 21
vs.
Utah
L 20 - 13
Final
Fri, Sep 27
vs.
Middle Tennessee
W 10 - 37
Final
Fri, Oct 4
@
Utah State
W 31 - 14
Final
Sat, Oct 12
vs.
Georgia Tech
W 20 - 38
Final
Sat, Oct 19
@
Houston
W 47 - 46
Final
Fri, Oct 25
vs.
Boise State
7:00 PM (CT)
Sat, Nov 9
@
Wisconsin
TBD
Sat, Nov 16
vs.
Idaho State
TBD
Sat, Nov 23
@
Notre Dame
2:30 PM (CT)
Sat, Nov 30
@
Nevada
2:00 PM (CT)