Don't get me wrong. The SEC has had some dominance in recent and not so recent memory. This year, in my opinion, they are not peerless. On another note. The Irish could have trouble with La Tech like I read somewhere earlier. I know A&M was glad to hear the final horn two points up.
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Let me first say that I hate all the SEC crap, and it sucks being in the middle of SEC country hearing it every day.... Being a fact and data kinda guy, though....
Best BCS bowl record by far....
A perfect 6-0 in the BCS NC...
That's why I want to play Bama so bad. I hope both Oregon and K St lose so we can put a hurtin' on Saban.
Although I can't stomach listening to some of the Go Dawg rednecks around here, I can say.... I've been to a lot of SEC games with friends, and teams are faster, bigger, and just at another level (at least the last 7-10 years). It hurts to say it, but they are better than most. And the Irish need to put a whoopin' on them.
Best BCS bowl record by far....
A perfect 6-0 in the BCS NC...
That's why I want to play Bama so bad. I hope both Oregon and K St lose so we can put a hurtin' on Saban.
Although I can't stomach listening to some of the Go Dawg rednecks around here, I can say.... I've been to a lot of SEC games with friends, and teams are faster, bigger, and just at another level (at least the last 7-10 years). It hurts to say it, but they are better than most. And the Irish need to put a whoopin' on them.
The bad...If ND played Bama in the NCG and won, the media (ESPN) and other SEC teams and fanbases would say that ND only won because it was a down and rebuilding year for Bama.
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Yep, but I'd rather hear that than "Vegas odds favor Bama by 3 over OR, 9 over K St, and 12 over ND".... which I'm already hearing. At least they couldn't say a tough SEC team didn't make it becase of a tough SEC schedule. PUKE.. LOL. People would have to admit that either the SEC is going down, or others are catching up.
To get rid of the SEC bias, the SEC will need to get beat in the BCS and NC games.
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Beating Alabama would make all of the "yeah, but" remarks a lot more hollow. Not that I really care what the haters say, I don't care if we beat Colorado in the NCG, I just really want a championship.
I do not remember where I heard this ( I believe on ESPN) but the scenario...if each of the top three teams lost one game and Bama won the SEC championship game, the odds are a ND v Bama NCG. This is one game I truly feel ND would win and in a convincing fashion.
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I think it would depend on the losses. If Oregon and ND both lost to SC, they'd look at points. If Oregon lost to Stanford, then yes. If Oregon St., IDK. If K St lost, they'd drop big time. Knowing BK's style, I think it would be a ground a pound, with less than 10 point differential. It would come down to turnovers in my opinion. But I love the way you think! I'd love to smash them by 20 or more. Could you imagine the headlines. ND Rolls Bama by 28..... LOL.
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Funny. But we all know the headlines would be:
The Mighty Alabama Crimson Tide Have an Off-Night, Let the Irrelevant and Overrated Irish squeak by them.
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Main theme of article: Did the refs blow that touchdown call in the first quarter. If the Tide got that TD they would have only been down 14-7 and clearly would have won the game.
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"Also, there was a 50/50 pass interference call midway through the second quarter. We all know that had that penalty not be called Alabama would have come back and won by 6 touchdowns. Unfortunately Notre Dame's title is tainted, their whole season should have an asterisk, and I'm going to say that Notre Dame really went 10-3 this season.
"In other news out of Tuscaloosa Alabama has claimed their 15th National Championship..."
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Good for him for calling them out. It's a BS schedule this week for these teams. No good for the sport.
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To be fair, some of the FCS teams might be able to beat Wake...
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I love how the "best team in the country" is only giving 12.5 points to 4-5 Baylor LMAO. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, EXPERTS!!!
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Anyone else think that maybe this is NOT a down year for the Big Ten?
I think Ohio St. being ineligible creates an illusion here. Is the Big 12 having a down year?
Ohio St. = Kansas St.
Nebraska = Oklahoma
Michigan = Texas
Northwestern/Wisconsin = Oklahoma St./Texas Tech
The Big 12 MIGHT be a little deeper, with WVU, TCU, Iowa St, Baylor, and Kansas maybe edging out Mich. St., Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, and Indiana.
But you might be kidding yourself to think that the Big 12 is the vastly superior conference or that the Big Ten is having a really terrible year just because they are beating up on each other and it's a defensively minded conference rather than an offensively minded one.
EDIT: And I put that in this thread because I think it's crap that we don't get credit for beating a good Michigan team when Kansas St. is still getting credit for beating Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech.
I think Ohio St. being ineligible creates an illusion here. Is the Big 12 having a down year?
Ohio St. = Kansas St.
Nebraska = Oklahoma
Michigan = Texas
Northwestern/Wisconsin = Oklahoma St./Texas Tech
The Big 12 MIGHT be a little deeper, with WVU, TCU, Iowa St, Baylor, and Kansas maybe edging out Mich. St., Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, and Indiana.
But you might be kidding yourself to think that the Big 12 is the vastly superior conference or that the Big Ten is having a really terrible year just because they are beating up on each other and it's a defensively minded conference rather than an offensively minded one.
EDIT: And I put that in this thread because I think it's crap that we don't get credit for beating a good Michigan team when Kansas St. is still getting credit for beating Oklahoma St. and Texas Tech.
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I'd have no problem with Oregon being ranked #1 but I'm just not impressed with KSU. While I'm a "traditionalist" when it comes to football and I prefer "big boy football" (to borrow a phrase from SEC-land) to me Oregon has been more impressive than KSU. I don't believe KSU deserves a title shot over us but I don't mind conceding that if Oregon runs the table they should go to the NCG.
The more I think about it, the more I want Oregon in the NCG. Sure it'd be sweet to knock the king off his throne (Alabama) but everyone thinks that Oregon is unstoppable and man they'd probably be favored by 3 touchdowns.
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I never really thought about that. But no you're right, the Big 12 is certainly no better than the Big 10. In fact I'm not really impressed with any of the conferences this year.
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Agreed. But, I think his premise is still correct that the Big 10 has been unjustly buried by the press, while the Big 12 has been touted as the best conference this year by *experts*. KSU played absolutely no one out of conference, and have dominated games against teams they know everything about. In my opinion, these are the type of teams that make it to the title game and get blown out. But I think Baylor does a solid for us this weekend. Chris Fowler put up a tweet this week about undefeated top 3 teams in the last few weeks being 10+ favorites on the road having a high losing percentage.....one can dream.
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You don't think Oklahoma would struggle with Nebraska's running game? I think Oklahoma would win, but it might be a closer game than you give it credit for.
Again, I agree that Kansas St. is better than Ohio St. but by how much? You don't think Ohio St. would at least give them a heck of a game? I don't care what conference you're in, if you are undefeated this late in the season your team is at least pretty good if not really good.
The Big 12 might have the slight edge, but they aren't as vastly different as they've been made out to be.
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I would agree. But that's why we play the game rather than awarding a winner without earning it.
"Eyeball test," I concur.
On the field product may dictate otherwise.
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Cue College Gameday with the "Who is more deserving: Notre Dame or a 1 loss SEC team?"
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Let me be clear, I think Nebraska sucks. I'm not even sure if they're really a top 25 caliber team. I'm pretty sure they'd be an underdog to almost every single team currently in the top 25 on a neutral field.
I also think Ohio State doesn't suck but they're like a poor man's Notre Dame... defense isn't nearly as good and they also have an inconsistent/turnover prone offense. Ohio State would likely get taken to the woodshed by either KSU or Oklahoma (and I say that thinking there is a good chance KSU might lose to Baylor this week... I have no high respect for them compared to their #1 ranking). Their defense is just too vulnerable to really expect them to hang with any team that plays both offense and defense.
Nebraska? They lost to UCLA before UCLA was any good... and then got MURDERED by Ohio State... there other wins are all largely squeakers against average Big Ten teams... 3 points over Wisconsin before Wisc hit their stride, 1 point over Northwestern, single digits over Penn State, 4 points over Michigan State... the only reason they beat Michigan is because Hoke had to go with this guy against them. Michigan had 1st and goal early in the 2nd quarter when Denard got hurt... Bellomy comes in and rushes for 1 yard then throws 2 incompletions and they kick a field goal to make the score 7-6. After that? This loser goes 3 for 16 with 3 interceptions, finishes the game with 38 yards passing, and Nebraska wins 23-9... all off of field goals from great field position off Bellomy turnovers save one final TD in the 4th.
In summary, I'm not sure Nebraska is any better than Pittsburgh to choose another run-heavy team with questionable defense... and they sure as hell aren't on par with Stanford much less Oklahoma. Oklahoma would probably lite up their #50 defense 40+ and I doubt Nebraska would get anywhere north of 20. This is why I'd love to play them in the Rose Bowl if we get left out of the BCS title game.
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Cue College Gameday with the "Who is more deserving: Notre Dame or a 1 loss SEC team?"
I expect this...but has it really been said yet?
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Cue College Gameday with the "Who is more deserving: Notre Dame or a 1 loss SEC team?"
Seriously? What did they have to say to that?
About to discuss it in a few minutes.