BCS Rankings: 2012

[woolybug25]

i dont like the growing notion that we are simply going to be 11-0. pitt and bc hate us and would love to ruin our parade and wake gave us trouble last year.

some guys say its ok for us fans to look ahead but I still feel wrong doing it sometimes.

BTW, by major conference, I meant no fcs teams. sorry

I know.. one game at a time, right? I bet this kind of talk drives you crazy when you strap up your pads on Saturday and get re... wait... you play on the team, right?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

No idea where else to post this, but thought it was funny. Alabama thread that talks about ND a bit. Not a ton of good discussion, but interesting.

Notre Dame Reminds Me Of Bama In 92

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Another one ... Bama doesn't like us very much.

Bob Stoops , Brian Kelly and Notre Dame

 

[mick2]

I know.. one game at a time, right? I bet this kind of talk drives you crazy when you strap up your pads on Saturday and get re... wait... you play on the team, right?

maybe i do bro! maybe i do!




I don't.....I'm always looking ahead, just stating that some guys here don't like it. and that in a weird way I don't like to overlook this weeks opponent, maybe its because all of my coaches preached it when I played.

furthermore, I can think any way I want so don't be a d**k. thx!

 

[woolybug25]

maybe i do bro! maybe i do!




I don't.....I'm always looking ahead, just stating that some guys here don't like it. and that in a weird way I don't like to overlook this weeks opponent, maybe its because all of my coaches preached it when I played.

furthermore, I can think any way I want so don't be a d**k. thx!

haha.. just messin'.

I've been waiting to pull that one out.

 

[mick2]

haha.. just messin'.

I've been waiting to pull that one out.

i know you're kidding




















you're still a d**k

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I feel like we have this discussion every single year after 8, 9, 10 weeks of the season, and things have pretty much always worked themselves out.

I don't like the growing notion around here that we are simply going to walk into the Coliseum 11-0 and steamroll USC.

This is why I said things like "unlikely" and "far-fetched." It's just something I think has at least an outside chance of happening. I thought it may be interesting to discuss. And it really doesn't address my original question either.

 

[irishfan]

Chances Bama, Oregon, Kansas State, and Notre Dame Finish Undefeated: Tiny : Outkick The Coverage

Only a 1% chance according to this guy that all four teams finish undefeated. ND is the 2nd most likely team to finish 12-0.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Chances Bama, Oregon, Kansas State, and Notre Dame Finish Undefeated: Tiny : Outkick The Coverage

Only a 1% chance according to this guy that all four teams finish undefeated. ND is the 2nd most likely team to finish 12-0.

I'm gonna guess Bama is the most likely...

 

[WaveDomer]

ND just needs to take care of business and it will sort out.

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[mick2]

ND just needs to take care of business and it will sort out.

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pretty cool! i'm ready to do some scouting, as one of these teams could be our opponent in the NC game!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I hate Les Miles.

 

[irishtrain]

Note: This thread may not be for the "one game at a time" guys. If you are one of them, you may want to hit your back button now.

A lot of us will be glued to the TV tomorrow watching ESPN's BCS show at 8:30pm. Hate the whole BCS system, and can't wait till 2014. Until then, it's all we have. Let the speculation begin.

1. Looking like ND will be #4 with SC and WV losses
2. Are we worthy?
3. Is our D at the level of Bama and LSU?
4. If we are fortunate enough to win out, are we still out of the picture if Oregon and Bama go undefeated?

BCS simulator. Gosh I love those computers.
BCS Guru -- BCS Standings (Current)

My answer to all these questions is yes. D-is as good if all stay healthy. Ala/LSU has more depth. Worthy just ask OU. Win out and my gut tells me they get voted out. BUT for me the most important thing is this team has done its job. They are now playing win house money with absolutely nothing to lose. I would let it rip the next three games and play somewhat afraid. Meaning respect the opponent and know you will lose if you dont bring it. Lastly this my most important factor--find a way to get to the Coliseum 11-0 and play that game as if it was the bowl game. After that let the chips fall where they may-after that nothing matters because the voting is all conjecture. My eyes tell me enough--this is a damn fine team. And of course I pick Pittsburgh. 0-8 baby on my way to 0-11. Get to the Coliseum 11-0.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

My answer to all these questions is yes. D-is as good if all stay healthy. Ala/LSU has more depth. Worthy just ask OU. Win out and my gut tells me they get voted out. BUT for me the most important thing is this team has done its job. They are now playing win house money with absolutely nothing to lose. I would let it rip the next three games and play somewhat afraid. Meaning respect the opponent and know you will lose if you dont bring it. Lastly this my most important factor--find a way to get to the Coliseum 11-0 and play that game as if it was the bowl game. After that let the chips fall where they may-after that nothing matters because the voting is all conjecture. My eyes tell me enough--this is a damn fine team. And of course I pick Pittsburgh. 0-8 baby on my way to 0-11. Get to the Coliseum 11-0.

I think BK, while not straying from the gameplan, let it rip for a few different reasons. I think he knows that he needs to rack up some style points. If ND demolishes pitt/bc/wake 40-3 then we may get enough push from the pollsters to make us jump in the human polls. Also, the players know that they cant coast into the NC game by winning marginally. They watch ESPN, they know whats at stake. I think they are going to avoid the trap with that mentallity because they have to outperform what theyve done this season (outside of Oklahoma).

Also, I'm betting that over the next few weeks Kelly will be calling coaching friends asking for a some help in the coaches polls. I know Kelly has a relationship with Cinci's coach, and I am sure hes got a few more friends that he can petition. 5/6 1st-2nd place votes could really help us out. We aren't out of it yet, we need some help, but we also need to help ourselves by flexing some muscle.

Plus, who wouldnt want to see an Alabama vs. Notre Dame National Championship? Itd be the most profitable and highest rated NC game in years if not ever

 

[ulukinatme]

I would love it if K State went undefeated, while Alabama and Oregon lost in the regular season. We'd be guaranteed a non-SEC champion, and I think it would be a good game that would favor us. I think we'd match up well against Alabama too, but it would be a much tougher game. Oregon...dunno. I think we'd be more battle hardened, but I'd have to wonder how our defense would hold up in the 4th with all that no huddle.

 

[domerfreak]

Neither BYU nor Navy are "major conference" teams.

no they are not, but they are upper FBS programs. Not even the gamecocks can claim that on their so called brutal schedule. Cannot wait til SOS comes into play.

 

[jimmymac]

no they are not, but they are upper FBS programs. Not even the gamecocks can claim that on their so called brutal schedule. Cannot wait til SOS comes into play.

haha nice avatar

 

[Fbolt]

BMOC salutes Kansas State coach Bill Snyder, Heisman race and more - ESPN


Developing algorithms is what ESPN's "College GameDay" research guru Chris Fallica does for fun this time of year. Fallica really needs to get a life.

Anyway, his latest formula calculates the chances of Bama, K-State, Oregon and Notre Dame entering the bowl season with undefeated records:

Notre Dame: 62.2 percent (remaining schedule: Pittsburgh, at Boston College, Wake Forest, at USC)

Alabama: 57.1 (at LSU, Texas A&M, FCS-member Western Carolina, playing-like-an-FCS-member Auburn)

K-State: 43.0 (Oklahoma State, at TCU, at Baylor, Texas)

Oregon: 18.9 (at USC, at Cal, Stanford, at Oregon State)

And the chances that all four of those teams go unbeaten: less than 2.9 percent

 

[In Lou I Trust]

BMOC salutes Kansas State coach Bill Snyder, Heisman race and more - ESPN


Developing algorithms is what ESPN's "College GameDay" research guru Chris Fallica does for fun this time of year. Fallica really needs to get a life.

Anyway, his latest formula calculates the chances of Bama, K-State, Oregon and Notre Dame entering the bowl season with undefeated records:

Notre Dame: 62.2 percent (remaining schedule: Pittsburgh, at Boston College, Wake Forest, at USC)

Alabama: 57.1 (at LSU, Texas A&M, FCS-member Western Carolina, playing-like-an-FCS-member Auburn)

K-State: 43.0 (Oklahoma State, at TCU, at Baylor, Texas)

Oregon: 18.9 (at USC, at Cal, Stanford, at Oregon State)

And the chances that all four of those teams go unbeaten: less than 2.9 percent

That's cool to see but it's really telling of how weak the rest of our schedule is.

 

[Irish YJ]

Here are the facts:

We beat Purdue (3-5, 0-4) on a last-second field goal. We beat Michigan (5-3, zero quality wins) 13-6 despite them turning the ball over 6 times; Bama beat them by 27. We trailed BYU (5-4, zero quality wins) for a large portion of the game and ended up with a 3-point victory; this was a week after Oregon State's backup quarterback roasted BYU in an 18-point victory in Provo.

We know how good this team is and can be. We know that we can play with anyone in the country. But if you look at our schedule, it's very easy to ask questions. It's very easy to look at our resume and say, "This isn't the #2 team in the country." It's very easy for the haters to hate.

So we're gonna need help. Obviously it would be a godsend for Bama, Oregon or K-State to lose. But we need help from our opponents.

Navy plays FAU, Troy, Texas State and Army. They could conceivably run the table and finish 9-3. BYU finishes with Idaho, SJSU and NMSU. We need them to get to 8-4. We need MSU to beat Nebraska next weekend in East Lansing. We need Michigan to to go 3-0 (Minny, NW, Iowa) heading into the Ohio State game. We need Oklahoma to win out. We need USC and Stanford to keep winning (preferably against Oregon).

EDIT: By the way, Michigan is not winning the B1G, Oklahoma is not winning the Big 12, and neither USC nor Stanford are winning the Pac-12.

First of all I agree with everything you said. I've puposely kept myself away from this thread as I still can't get my head wrapped around several things. I can argue either way. All I know is this team keeps improving, and keeps surpising me. If EG and CB get clicking, whole new dimension.... Adding to what you listed, you could also say.....

-Compared to KSU, we did better against Miami and OK. Clear enough IMO
-Compared to Bama, we held UM to fewer points, and have a tougher schedule thus far
-Compared to Oregon.... we have a tougher schedule thus far, and we will be able to compare like oponents in USC and Stanford before the year is out.....

So, IMO, there's no reason we shouldn't feel that we are better than KSU right now. Oregon, well we'll be able to compare over the next 4 weeks. Bama, we'll never really know unless we play them for the NC!

 

[BGIF]

That's cool to see but it's really telling of how weak the rest of our schedule is.

Wow, shame on ND for playing real Div 1 teams throughout their schedule and not front loading the schedule with Arkansas STATE, Tennessee STATE, Missouri STATE, any school from Kentucky.

ND didn't beat OU cause their QB dropped the ball an took a fortuitous bounce into the end zone where a KSU defender fell on it for the margin of victory. ND took it to OU in the trenches and whipped them on both sides of the ball.

Alabama still has Western Carolina, Sagarin's #202 ranked team after already banking wins over mighty Florida Atlantic, and Western Kentucky. And then there's Auburn, Sagarin's 85th ranked team that was hoping Hurricane Sandy would mercifully hit their stadium canceling the 2012 Season.

FYI, National Champion Auburn is ranked a FG WORSE than PITT and all of a FG better than BC. AU's rated (by Sagarin) 9 points better than Wake Forest. WF is rated 15 points superiors to Alabama future opponent Western Carolina.

Oregon just beat up on Colorado, Sagarin's 156 ranked team and a 3 point dog to Wake Forest if they played.


The primary reason for ND being the favorite over it's remaining opponents is the emergence fo a rookie QB that has started to demonstrate a understanding of Kelly's offense and the ability to hit a speedy receiver downfield taking the safeties out of the box.

In the past two weeks, ND had added 10 points to their power rating in Sagarin's Predictor Model.

 

[philipm31]

That's cool to see but it's really telling of how weak the rest of our schedule is.

And how absurd the overrating of the SEC is. AUBURN is 1-7 and they are considered the 83rd team in the country, better than BC? Riiight.

 

[shalom]

I doubt all 3 go undefeated, there's always this type of speculation 3/4 through the season. If Oregon puts up 45 on Stanford, USC and OSU there might be some discussion but right now I think it's between Kstate and ND.

As long as the offense shows progress against the next few scrub teams ND should get its shot.

 

[ickythump1225]

That's cool to see but it's really telling of how weak the rest of our schedule is.

Doesn't matter anymore. All we need to do now is win out and have at least 2 of the other teams lose and we're in. If we're undefeated the fact that we're playing our Oregon/Alabama portion of the schedule (AKA cupcakes) won't matter if the other teams drop.

 

[drayer54]

Everett Golson accounted for more Total Yards passing and rushing against Oklahoma than Colin Klein did.

Collin Klein is a badass. I wouldn't challenge that. I still say he is the one in the drivers seat with the QB friendly award.

 

[Rocky2820]

Herbie was just on Mike & Mike talking about each team's schedule - prior and upcoming. Said he could make a case for any of the 4 teams, but believes Oregon will eventually leapfrog ND and KSTATE if all 4 win out. Emphasized margin of victory over common opponents.

 

[FLDomer]

Herbie was just on Mike & Mike talking about each team's schedule - prior and upcoming. Said he could make a case for any of the 4 teams, but believes Oregon will eventually leapfrog ND and KSTATE if all 4 win out. Emphasized margin of victory over common opponents.

Than we should be ranked ahead of KSU.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Herbie was just on Mike & Mike talking about each team's schedule - prior and upcoming. Said he could make a case for any of the 4 teams, but believes Oregon will eventually leapfrog ND and KSTATE if all 4 win out. Emphasized margin of victory over common opponents.

Yep I believe this is true. We must hope USC and Stanford keep it close.

Than we should be ranked ahead of KSU.

I am very confident we will finish ahead of K State if we both win out. It is Oregon that I am worried about.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I'm one of the few in the world who thinks UTexas will give KSU a game. I think Tex will want to prove something, and at the end of the day still has better athletes than KSU.

 

[Rocky2820]

Yeah, from a BCS standpoint we just don't stack up well with Oregon. We're only .001 ahead of them. Aside from our common opponent USC, two of their three remaining opponents are ranked and none of ours are ranked. Given that they're already #2 in the polls, the computers are going to tilt in their favor over the rest of the season. Bottom line is that we need AT LEAST Alabama or Oregon to lose to have a shot at the NC game. And it would certainly help if we won convincingly these next three weeks to improve chances of passing KSTATE.

All that said, the chances of all four teams running the table are slim.