BCS Rankings: 2012

[stlnd01]

I agree with this. ND just needs to keep winning. The odds are someone is going to lose and there won't be 4 undefeated at the end anyway.

This is true.
For all the griping about the BCS, the system has had an uncanny ability to put the two best/most deserving teams in the title game at the end of the year. (Yes, I realize Okie State fans might disagree. But, no, I don't care.)

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

As I said before. The hype machine will start rolling over the next four weeks. Remember when Urban campaigned his 1-loss team in the title game? Well, we have a politician in Kelly and Notre Dame will start swinging their muscle as these weeks carry on. We will campaign for our spot and get it. The numbers don't lie and that message will only get stronger over the next few weeks.
All of these hypothetical "If ____ beats ____ , then we will go to the title game" mallarky is silly to debate. None of you know how this will play out with "who beats who". Just enjoy the ride. If we take care of business, we will find a seat at the table.

What we need to do as fans is do the same. Talk to people about our SoS. Talk to people about having the most wins over top 25 teams. Talk about having two road wins against top 10 teams. Talk about having two like opponents with KSU (Miami & OU) and how we crushed them. Start spreading the word, because this is indeed a campaign.

But how? We just completed the most difficult part of our season and are coming off the biggest win in over 10 years with the whole nation watching and we are .001 ahead of Oregon. How is the "hype machine" going to get going with wins over Pitt, BC, and Wake? Everyone already expects us to win those games easily. I am not disagreeing that we are more deserving, I just don't see how we are going to overtake both KSU and Oregon if they all are undefeated given the way the rankings are today.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

If we win out and miss the NC game, and win our BCS bowl game, I would not have a problem with ND claiming a title for this year. I don't think they would do it but I would agree if they did.

 

[Irishman77]

I still think bama loses a game.

 

[Jerry]

But how? We just completed the most difficult part of our season and are coming off the biggest win in over 10 years with the whole nation watching and we are .001 ahead of Oregon. How is the "hype machine" going to get going with wins over Pitt, BC, and Wake? Everyone already expects us to win those games easily. I am not disagreeing that we are more deserving, I just don't see how we are going to overtake both KSU and Oregon if they all are undefeated given the way the rankings are today.

Oregon or KSU needs to really struggle in one of their upcoming games and ND needs to move to 3rd in the coaches poll IMO to have a shot. Otherwise I think we get left out if we stay in 4th place in the voter polls.

 

[philipm31]

Bama reminds me of OU in 2003 when they ran over everyone that year until they lost to KSU by 28 pts and they still were able to play in the BCS title game. However, if they lose to LSU on Saturday, I think they stay in the Top 3/4 and LSU jumps ND.

We need USC to win more than anything just to put distance between us and the Ducks.

 

[ickythump1225]

As I said before. The hype machine will start rolling over the next four weeks. Remember when Urban campaigned his 1-loss team in the title game? Well, we have a politician in Kelly and Notre Dame will start swinging their muscle as these weeks carry on. We will campaign for our spot and get it. The numbers don't lie and that message will only get stronger over the next few weeks.

All of these hypothetical "If ____ beats ____ , then we will go to the title game" mallarky is silly to debate. None of you know how this will play out with "who beats who". Just enjoy the ride. If we take care of business, we will find a seat at the table.

What we need to do as fans is do the same. Talk to people about our SoS. Talk to people about having the most wins over top 25 teams. Talk about having two road wins against top 10 teams. Talk about having two like opponents with KSU (Miami & OU) and how we crushed them. Start spreading the word, because this is indeed a campaign.

It's hard but what I'm really trying to do is enjoy this ride. I joined Notre Dame fanhood a decade ago. Times have been tough. We had a few smoke and mirror seasons under Cheeseburger Charlie and Ty but I watched as we lost to Navy twice...we lost to Tulsa. A game against Penn St. a few years ago, can't remember which year but I believe Jimmy Clausen may have been a freshman, really sticks out to me. We got manhandled. It was like watching an NFL team beat up a D-II school.

I've seen the lows. I'm now experiencing some highs. I don't want to taint this magical season by fretting about where we are. I just want us to keep winning because if we don't it's all a moot point. How often do 4 teams finish undefeated? Not often, so I'm just going to enjoy our winning and hope it all works out. Like you said with a little politicking from BK maybe it helps us who knows?

 

[ickythump1225]

Bama reminds me of OU in 2003 when they ran over everyone that year until they lost to KSU by 28 pts and they still were able to play in the BCS title game. However, if they lose to LSU on Saturday, I think they stay in the Top 3/4 and LSU jumps ND.

We need USC to win more than anything just to put distance between us and the Ducks.

I think KSU and Oregon are who we should really be cheering against whereas Alabama is less important.

 

[BobD]

My hope and vbucks will be betting on an Oregon and Alabama loss this weekend.

 

[gkIrish]

Do you guys realize that if Alabama loses this weekend, their best win will be our 4th best win (assuming we go undefeated)

 

[Whiskeyjack]

However, if they lose to LSU on Saturday, I think they stay in the Top 3/4 and LSU jumps ND.

Don't reinforce this illogical bullsh!t. A 1-loss team with an OOC slate of North Texas, Idaho, and Towson isn't jumping an undefeated ND.

 

[greyhammer90]

Don't reinforce this illogical bullsh!t. A 1-loss team with an OOC slate of North Texas, Idaho, and Towson isn't jumping an undefeated ND.

You're assuming BCS is logical.

 

[irishpat183]

Don't reinforce this illogical bullsh!t. A 1-loss team with an OOC slate of North Texas, Idaho, and Towson isn't jumping an undefeated ND.

True that!

 

[ndfi78]

Don't reinforce this illogical bullsh!t. A 1-loss team with an OOC slate of North Texas, Idaho, and Towson isn't jumping an undefeated ND.

A post so good I had to buy the option of unlimited reps just so I could rep it.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Bama reminds me of OU in 2003 when they ran over everyone that year until they lost to KSU by 28 pts and they still were able to play in the BCS title game. However, if they lose to LSU on Saturday, I think they stay in the Top 3/4 and LSU jumps ND.

We need USC to win more than anything just to put distance between us and the Ducks.

No chance that happens. All hell would break loose.

 

[WaveDomer]

There's a lot of football left. 'Bama still has LSU and the SEC championship (maybe). K State still has OSU and TCU. Oregon has USC, Stanford and Oregon State. ND still has to take care of its business too. Just win and let the Chips fall.

 

[mick2]

we should be ahead of everybody right now, if the bcs was logical. 8 wins against major conference teams, two top ten wins(blowouts) on the road.

bama, oregon, and kstate have all played a mid major, and a fcs team.

Our road to 8-0 has been tougher than any other teams, regardless of how our opponents have fared after they played us

 

[irishpat183]

There's a lot of football left. 'Bama still has LSU and the SEC championship (maybe). K State still has OSU and TCU. Oregon has USC, Stanford and Oregon State. ND still has to take care of its business too. Just win and let the Chips fall.

Exactly...there is a good chance that one of them slips up. But we have to win out, or we don't have a say at all.

 

[philipm31]

Whiskey, you miss my point.

I think the idea that pollsters and the BCS follows logic is the thing most ppl are not thinking about.

I mean, honestly, I do not believe that Bama and LSU should both be in the Top 5, but there is already RECENT history (i.e., LAST YEAR) to suggest that everyone believes that Bama and the SEC are the best. So, even though LSU is clearly worse than ND, Bama has played NOBODY of significance and the SEC East is filled with overrated teams, they all get a bump for being in the SEC and credit for beating "superior teams" when the conference is NOT that good this year.

But that does not matter to the BCS or ESPN.

How else do you explain that the SEC has 5 teams in the Top Eight of the BCS?

To be honest, Alabama should be sitting at #3 in the BCS with their total crap schedule, if not #4. And LSU should be down even further.

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

I think KSU loses one of their last games too. They play 3 not terrible teams to finish off the year. I figure anyone of OSU, TCU, or Texas has a good chance of knocking them off, I would put my money on TCU out of the three but I don't understand why everyone is assuming they will go undefeated without question.

 

[koonja]

Alabama remaining schedule:

@LSU. I'd give them 66% chance of winning.
Vs. #16 Texas A&M. 75% chance of winning.
Vs. Western Kentucky. 99% chance of winning.
Vs. Auburn. 95% chance of winning.
SEC championship 65% chance of winning.
That's ~ 30% chance of remaining undefeated.

Oregon remaining schedule:

@USC (7 pt favs) 65% chance of winning.
@ California 95% chance of winning.
Vs. Stanford 70% chance of winning.
@Oregon State 75% chance of winning.
That's ~32% chance of staying undefeated.

KSU remaining schedule:

Vs. Oklahoma State 60% chance of winning.
@ TCU 75% chance of winning.
@ Baylor 65 % chance of winning.
@ Texas 75% chance of winning.
That's ~ 22% chance of staying undefeated.

These are obviously made up, but I like our chances if we remain undefeated. Almost guaranteed a spot at the top. We have the easiest remaining schedule from here on out, and while we should coast through the next 3 games, these teams will be in serious battles. Someone is bound to slip up.

 

[woolybug25]

But how? We just completed the most difficult part of our season and are coming off the biggest win in over 10 years with the whole nation watching and we are .001 ahead of Oregon. How is the "hype machine" going to get going with wins over Pitt, BC, and Wake? Everyone already expects us to win those games easily. I am not disagreeing that we are more deserving, I just don't see how we are going to overtake both KSU and Oregon if they all are undefeated given the way the rankings are today.

Hype has nothing to do with who we are playing. We already have a head start in the computer rankings, what we need is for PEOPLE to start believing. We should blow out our next three teams. People have hyped Bama, KSU and Oregon for smashing chumps, why does everyone think that they wont for us?

As I said previously, BK is going to be doing exactly what Urban did with Florida. Campaign.

I cant believe how much of a chicken-little complex is going on here when the battle we face is public support. Every year I have been alive Notre Dame haters have bitched about our "special treatment", now our own fans think we will get unfairly placed out of the Title game? People will want to see us play in the game, people will start believing in us, Brian Kelly will campaign this team into the title game.

I'm serious about us doing are part though. As fans, we should be doing the same.

 

[philipm31]

Just look at Bama's opponents records:

OOC: 15-19
SEC: 13-24 (Tennessee, Missouri and Auburn are 0-15 in Conference play!)
Last month of the season: Cumulative record for their opponents as of this weekend: 16-17, with 1-8 W. Carolina and 1-7 Auburn to end the season.

There is NO way that Bama should be #1 in the BCS IF the system were not already so flawed as to reward a team for winning the title the previous year and not take into account their OOC scheduling and the overall performance of the teams they have played so far, FAIRLY.

But the BCS never does that.

 

[ulukinatme]

Given their body of work, it's not crazy to think that Alabama, KSU, and maybe even Oregon will run the table. I'm sure at least one of them will lose a game, but outside of an upset I think at least 2 of the 3 have a good shot of going undefeated. I still think we'll find a way into the title game, by hook or crook.

 

[gkIrish]

Just look at Bama's opponents records:

OOC: 15-19
SEC: 13-24 (Tennessee, Missouri and Auburn are 0-15 in Conference play!)
Last month of the season: Cumulative record for their opponents as of this weekend: 16-17, with 1-8 W. Carolina and 1-7 Auburn to end the season.

There is NO way that Bama should be #1 in the BCS IF the system were not already so flawed as to reward a team for winning the title the previous year and not take into account their OOC scheduling and the overall performance of the teams they have played so far, FAIRLY.

But the BCS never does that.

I believe Alabama has every number one vote in both human polls which account for 2/3 of the BCS. That is why they are number one. And voters should and will continue to vote for them until they lose because they are the National Champions and have not been threatened yet.

 

[irishpat183]

Given their body of work, it's not crazy to think that Alabama, KSU, and maybe even Oregon will run the table. I'm sure at least one of them will lose a game, but outside of an upset I think at least 2 of the 3 have a good shot of going undefeated. I still think we'll find a way into the title game, by hook or crook.

I think KSU loses.....Which is great, because not only do we jump up..but Manti will bring home the Heisman if they do.

I'm waiting for Klein to slip up...I actually love the way he plays, but I think he's due for a slip up. It's just a matter of can KSU deal with it and still win.

 

[Black Irish]

It would help if the Irish can put up some cartoonishly high offensive numbers against our next 3 opponents. That'll help counter all the hype Oregon gets with their Tecmo Bowl stats. If we don't totally dominate Pitt, BC, & Wake and beat USC straight up, our chances diminish.

Funny how things change. So many fans started the season doubting we would do better than 8 wins. Now we are looking at a better than average chance of running the table. And potentially getting shut out of of the BCS title game. Talk about luck of the Irish.

 

[philipm31]

You know why they have not been threatened, right?

Because they play NOBODY this year. NOBODY.

ND OPPONENTS RECORDS THROUGH OCTOBER 27
Navy (5-3), Independent
Purdue (3-5), Big Ten
Michigan State (5-4), Big Ten
Michigan (5-3), Big Ten
Miami (4-4), ACC
Stanford (6-2), PAC 12
BYU (5-4), Independent
Oklahoma (6-2), BIG 12
Pittsburgh (4-4), BIG EAST
Boston College (2-6), BIG EAST
Wake Forest (4-4), ACC
USC (6-2), PAC 12
Opponents Record: 55-43 (.561)

ALABAMA OPPONENTS RECORD THROUGH OCTOBER 27
Michigan (5-3, 3-1), Big Ten
Western Kentucky (6-2, 3-1), SUN BELT
Arkansas, (3-5, 2-3) SEC
Florida Atlantic, (2-6), SUN BELT
Ole Miss (5-3, 2-2), SEC
Missouri (4-4, 0-4), SEC
Tennessee (3-5, 0-5), SEC
Mississippi State (7-1, 3-1), SEC
LSU (7-1, 3-1), SEC
Texas A&M (6-2, 3-2), SEC
Western Carolina (1-8), SOUTHERN
Auburn (1-7, 0-6), SEC
Opponents Record: 50-47 (.515), OOC OPPONENTS ARE 14-19, SEC OPPONENTS ARE (13-24) IN SEC PLAY


OREGON OPPONENTS’ RECORDS THROUGH OCTOBER 27
Arkansas State (5-3, 3-1), SUN BELT
Fresno State (6-3, 4-1), MWC
Tennessee Tech (2-6, 0-5), OHIO VALLEY
Arizona (5-3, 2-3), PAC12
Washington State (2-6, 0-5), PAC12
Washington (4-4, 2-3), PAC 12
Arizona State (5-3, 3-2), PAC12
Colorado (1-7, 1-4), PAC12
USC (6-2, 4-2), PAC12
California (3-6, 2-4), PAC12
Stanford (6-2, 4-2), PAC12
Oregon State (6-1, 4-1), PAC12
Opponents Record: 51-46 (.526), OOC OPPONENTS ARE (13-12), PAC12 OPPONENTS ARE (22-26)

KANSAS STATE OPPONENTS’ RECORDS THROUGH OCTOBER 27
Missouri State (3-6, 3-3) MISSOURI VALLEY
Miami (4-4, 3-2), ACC
North Texas (3-5, 2-2), SUN BELT
Oklahoma (6-2, 4-2), BIG12
Kansas (1-7, 0-5), BIG12
Iowa State (5-3, 2-3), BIG12
West Virginia (5-2, 2-2), BIG 12
Texas Tech (6-2, 3-2), BIG12
Oklahoma State (5-2, 3-1), BIG12
TCU (5-3, 2-3), BIG12
Baylor (3-4, 0-4), BIG12
Texas (6-2, 3-2), BIG12
Opponents’ Record: 52-42 (.553), OOC OPPONENTS ARE (10-15), PAC12 OPPONENTS ARE (19-24) IN BIG12 PLAY

Of those four teams, ND obviously has the toughest overall schedule but with the built bias towards the power conferences, ESPECIALLY the SEC, ND needs to win out and have KSU or Oregon slip up.

I think ND can run the table but having their game against USC at the end of the season does not seem to be working in the Irish's favor at this point...unless USC holds serve at home this upcoming weekend.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I'm more worried about Oregon than KSU. I think when push came to shove, ND would edge out KSU.

ND needs to pummel her next 3 opponents. 21+ point wins

ND needs to deliver a sound beating to USC.

How other teams can help ND:

Lose obviously (Bama, KSU, or Oregon)

Oregon slips up and has a ugly win against Stanford or USC

KSU has to look shaky. OSU is the best shot along with TCU's defense.


ND just needs to put on a show and hope that other teams look less than stellar. Pollsters have short memories. If ND smashes BC and KSU narrowly escapes, ND can widen the gap

 

[Black Irish]

I think KSU loses.....Which is great, because not only do we jump up..but Manti will bring home the Heisman if they do.

I'm waiting for Klein to slip up...I actually love the way he plays, but I think he's due for a slip up. It's just a matter of can KSU deal with it and still win.

With all the running he does, Klein is tempting the fates for an injury. Don't misunderstand me, I am NOT rooting for a Klein injury. The kid's playing his heart out and good for him. But he rushes almost as much as he passes, and we all know how much defenders love to lay big hits on QBs.