Baylor IS in some deep trouble

[spoonidentity]

Unfortunately the "death penalty" is only applicable when an institution repeats violations while already on probation for the same infractions.

Unless Baylor was already on probation for covering up sexual assaults, then this isn't an option, unfortunately.

However, as Bogs mentioned, the Department of Education could indeed come down on them. Whether they will remains to be seen. The issue at hand is not reporting crimes and sexual assaults that take place on campus, which is required under the Clery Act. I have posted about it before but basically, all schools are required to do so and make it public so that prospective students can know about the crime rates in and around institutions.

The other issue is Title IX violations. Most sports fans know it in a somewhat negative and basic light, the "oh let's get women to play sports and we have to cut men's teams because of it" type of mindset. However, what it actually does dictate is that no student, male or female, should be subject to harassment or not be given the ability to report crimes committed against them of any type. In this case, the alleged cover-ups by the coaching staff is in a clear violation of that, particularly when you hear that assistants were allegedly speaking to physical assault and sexual assault victims and convincing them not to report.

 

[NDinBoston]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Baylor strength coach has been fired after being arrested in a prostitution sting <a href="https://t.co/mE28184AOf">https://t.co/mE28184AOf</a> <a href="https://t.co/Rl2bb8gJiP">pic.twitter.com/Rl2bb8gJiP</a></p>— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow/status/828815685291765761">February 7, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[BGIF]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Baylor strength coach has been fired after being arrested in a prostitution sting <a href="https://t.co/mE28184AOf">https://t.co/mE28184AOf</a> <a href="https://t.co/Rl2bb8gJiP">pic.twitter.com/Rl2bb8gJiP</a></p>— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow/status/828815685291765761">February 7, 2017</a></blockquote>
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But coach, you said, "You only said Coeds are off-limits."

 

[Calabrese's People]

Obi-Wan = NCAA
Luke = Baylor

 

[Legacy]

Opinion: If NCAA ignores Baylor rape scandal, it deserves the death penalty (Denver Post of Wash Post article)

By Sally Jenkins, The Washington Post

If even a fraction of the new allegations at Baylor are true, former coaches Art and Kendal Briles should be suspended from employment in college athletics, and the Board of Regents needs to feel the hurt too. The NCAA should consider the death penalty for Baylor, or risk becoming an organization of human jellyfish.

The NCAA is caught in a strange dynamic: It’s attempting to define its shrinking jurisdiction at the same time that the nature of corruptions in college sports and the stakes are growing. To abandon the death penalty as a deterrent for major malfeasance at large schools, and yet selectively enforce it on small ones, is a recipe for extinction.

The NCAA’s rulebook defines a Level One infraction: “A severe breach of conduct is one or more violations that seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model . . .”

There were so many repeated breaches of conduct, by so many officials at so many levels at Baylor, that the school’s football program was unrecognizable as anything belonging at a college. It looked more like a criminal conspiracy model. If the NCAA does not entertain the harshest sanctions, it risks becoming a co-conspirator.

 

[NDbrbkny]

but the things if devos gets confirmed (god forgive us if she does she will plunder public education) i know baylor is a religious school which is in her ally "advancing gods kingdom" she said in her confirmation hearing that she would not commit to the sex assault guidelines in place by the obama administration

 

[NDRock]

Couldn't agree more... Paying players is worst thing ever but an institution on almost every level covering up this stuff... This isn't once.. Allegedly over 50 rapes were covered up... That's insane

In addition, it seems that they were getting women to sleep with underage recruits. Throw some statutory rape charges in the mix as well.

 

[Irish#1]

Unfortunately the "death penalty" is only applicable when an institution repeats violations while already on probation for the same infractions.

Unless Baylor was already on probation for covering up sexual assaults, then this isn't an option, unfortunately.

However, as Bogs mentioned, the Department of Education could indeed come down on them. Whether they will remains to be seen. The issue at hand is not reporting crimes and sexual assaults that take place on campus, which is required under the Clery Act. I have posted about it before but basically, all schools are required to do so and make it public so that prospective students can know about the crime rates in and around institutions.

The other issue is Title IX violations. Most sports fans know it in a somewhat negative and basic light, the "oh let's get women to play sports and we have to cut men's teams because of it" type of mindset. However, what it actually does dictate is that no student, male or female, should be subject to harassment or not be given the ability to report crimes committed against them of any type. In this case, the alleged cover-ups by the coaching staff is in a clear violation of that, particularly when you hear that assistants were allegedly speaking to physical assault and sexual assault victims and convincing them not to report.

Title IX is indeed a broad ruling that does indeed cover men and women over more than athletics. It's something of an equal rights ruling. However, the spirit of the ruling when it was introduced and since it has been implemented has been focused mostly to women. Rather than look for additional funding to support women's programs, men's programs have been stripped. There are many instances where wrestling programs have sued because scholarships and money were taken away and they have lost.

Not sure I agree that the NCAA can't impose the death penalty since Baylor isn't on probation. We've seen plenty of rulings from the NCAA where the infraction is the same or similar and the punish is different. Maybe by the strictest interpretations they can't, but I believe they can get around that.

 

[spoonidentity]

Title IX is indeed a broad ruling that does indeed cover men and women over more than athletics. It's something of an equal rights ruling. However, the spirit of the ruling when it was introduced and since it has been implemented has been focused mostly to women. Rather than look for additional funding to support women's programs, men's programs have been stripped. There are many instances where wrestling programs have sued because scholarships and money were taken away and they have lost.

I do not disagree with what you are saying, but that also is irrelevant to my point about Title IX rights granted to all students.

This link lays it out nicely and taken in the context of Baylor's situation can easily see how the school is in violation of these rules and rights.

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/title-ix-rights-201104.pdf

Not sure I agree that the NCAA can't impose the death penalty since Baylor isn't on probation. We've seen plenty of rulings from the NCAA where the infraction is the same or similar and the punish is different. Maybe by the strictest interpretations they can't, but I believe they can get around that.

I stand corrected - it looks like the NCAA does have the ability to do so if they so choose - whether or not they will is an entirely different debate or discussion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)#Current_criteria

Reading the examples of the Non-Division 1 infractions seems to impose this punishment without the repeat violator rule being in effect.

 

[texbender]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Baylor strength coach has been fired after being arrested in a prostitution sting <a href="https://t.co/mE28184AOf">https://t.co/mE28184AOf</a> <a href="https://t.co/Rl2bb8gJiP">pic.twitter.com/Rl2bb8gJiP</a></p>— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow/status/828815685291765761">February 7, 2017</a></blockquote>
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You couldn't have written a more bizarre script for this never ending saga. Talk about a ship lost at sea.........WTF.

 

[Legacy]

Big 12 to withhold revenue instead of fining Baylor until it's sure changes are made

The first major announcement about any type of "punishment" for Baylor from either the Big 12 or NCAA has been made, and it may -- or may not -- result in a financial blow to the university.

The Big 12 announced on Wednesday that the Board of Directors voted unanimously (sans Baylor) to withhold 25 percent of of future revenue distribution to the school. The catch is that money will be held until the completion of a third-party review of the school's required changes. At which point, if Baylor proves it has made improvements presumably to its Title IX office and procedures, the money will apparently be handed over to Baylor.

"The Board is unified in establishing a process to verify that proper institutional controls are in place and sustainable," said University of Oklahoma president and Big 12 board of directors chairman David Boren in a statement. "Effective immediately, the Conference is withholding 25 percent of Baylor's share of any future revenue distribution until the proper execution of controls is independently verified.

"By taking these actions the Board desires to ensure that the changes that were promised are actually made and that systems are in place to avoid future problems," Boren continued. "The proportional withholding of revenue distribution payments will be in effect until the Board has determined that Baylor is in compliance with Conference bylaws and regulations as well as all components of Title IX."

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[Legacy]

Baylor strength coach arrested on prostitution charge (Waco Tribune)

 

[koonja]

Baylor stay hot, Geezus.

 

[Legacy]

After rape scandal, Baylor's most powerful boosters fight over school's future (Texas Trib)

Some of Baylor University's biggest donors are waging a campaign against their alma mater's board of regents. But will it succeed?

 

[NDbrbkny]

Apparently we all deserved to be punched in the face for bashing baylor
Baylor women's coach says parents concerned about sexual assault scandal should be 'knocked right in the face'

 

[BGIF]

Mulkey's comments insensitive to Baylor sexual assault victims - ESPN Video

The Sports Reporters panel expresses its collective shock after Kim Mulkey's lack of remorse and tact when defending her school.

 

[BGIF]

Baylor Coach's Ridiculous Take

Baylor women's basketball coach Kim Mulkey made insensitive comments when discussing the football team's sexual abuse scandal. Does she owe an apology? #120Talk

 

[BGIF]

Baylor, Kim Mulkey take step back after insensitive speech - Houston Chronicle

By Jenny Dial Creech, Houston ChronicleFebruary 26, 2017

Baylor has taken several steps forward.

On Saturday night, Kim Mulkey just took a giant one backward.

The Lady Bears' basketball coach turned a night when every headline would have been positive into storm of negativity by defending the embattled university's sexual assault scandal.

Baylor beat Texas Tech 86-48 Saturday, giving Mulkey her 500th win at the university and the Lady Bears their seventh consecutive Big 12 regular-season title. Amid celebrating the accomplishments, she spoke to fans at Waco's Ferrell Center.

"If somebody's around you and they ever say, 'I will never send my daughter to Baylor,' you knock them right in the face," she told the crowd of cheering fans.

Let that sink in a moment.

After the university has has worked to turn things around after dozens of allegations of domestic and sexual assault, Mulkey's instinct is to encourage fans who question the morals and ethics of the institution to incite violence.

Even if her words were not intended to be taken literally, they were incredibly insensitive, considering that more than 50 victims (that we know of) have come forward to bravely share their horrific experiences of being assaulted at the Baptist university.

She finished her passionate speech by calling Baylor "the best damn school in America."

At a press conference later, Mulkey tried to justify her comments. She explained she was tired of hearing about the story from national media.

"If they didn't sit in those meetings and they weren't a part of the investigation, then you're repeating things that you've heard," she said. "It's over, it's done. And this is a great institution. And I would send my daughter here. And I'd pay for anybody's else's daughter to come here. I work here every day. I'm in the know. And I'm tired of hearing it. This is a great institution. The problems we have at Baylor are no different than the problems at any other school in America. Period. Move on. Find another story to write."

Let's break this down, shall we?

A: You know what victims of sexual assault are tired of hearing? That because it happens elsewhere, it's somehow OK to ignore. For a woman in a leadership role to dismiss this casually is disheartening, disrespectful and disgusting.

B: As a member of the media, I did my research. I investigated. I pored over court documents, corroborated accounts, read through Title IX regulations, spoke with experts, spoke with lawyers, spoke with Baylor leadership.

More importantly, I sat with victims. I listened. I cared. I reported their stories in hopes that we could make a difference and stop these violent acts from happening again. If Mulkey has done any of that, I would love to hear the reasons why she thinks we should all move on.

C: The problems at Baylor are different than other schools in America. It's unfortunately true that women students are raped and assaulted At many other schools. This is a nationwide epidemic that needs attention and action. But Baylor's issues went beyond the norm because the university had leadership in place that didn't respond appropriately, didn't act.

Baylor has made positive changes. Regents there have fired coaches and officials. They've brought in people who care. They've committed to make changes, to be an example of how to right the wrongs.

Then Mulkey shows us that maybe the culture of the school isn't changing just yet.

She has made controversial headlines before. In 2013, Houston native and former Baylor basketball star Brittney Griner said Mulkey told players not be openly gay because it would hurt the program and recruiting.

Now, it seems as if she wants to ensure her recruiting doesn't suffer in the wake of Baylor's issues by denying that they are actually a problem.

Mulkey is entitled to believe whatever she wants. It's unfortunate that she feels this way, though, because she is someone who could bring about real change.

She's a wonderful basketball coach, a passionate person, a leader.

She could speak for women. She could show support for victims.

She could help Baylor in its quest to become a better and safer place.

Instead, she chooses to deny, deflect and ignore.

Some compassion and sympathy for victims would go a long way. Acknowledging their struggles and taking proper actions to make sure others don't go through the same is essential for Baylor.

It's clear that much of the leadership at the university understands that. It's clear that many people there, including new football coach Matt Rhule, are dedicated to change.

Mulkey's recent tirade slows the progress.

On a night where her accomplishments should have been uplifting, Baylor's strongest and most influential female leader chose to swerve in the opposite direction.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Thanks for keeping up with this BGIF. I am not a Kim Mulkey fan. Never have been. I see here as a personification of what I see wrong with our society and sports culture today. And that was well before this current Baylor scandal.

 

[Irish#1]

I heard her comments on Fox Sports Radio this morning. The lady needs to accept that this is a real problem and simply firing a couple of people doesn't fix it. Kim, remember your buddy Dave Bliss?

 

[ACamp1900]

That's a Hollywood on Oscar night sized bubble she's living in....

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baylor dismissed Assoc. Dir. for Football Operations DeMarcko Butler, who was hired last month. Was sending inappropriate texts to teenager.</p>— Kevin McGuire (@KevinOnCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinOnCFB/status/841497892993015808">March 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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At what point will "Baylor being Baylor" become a thing

 

[IrishLion]

At what point will "Baylor being Baylor" become a thing

It kind of already is

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baylor stop being you. Seriously. Enough. <a href="https://t.co/FzQhQ80oRk">https://t.co/FzQhQ80oRk</a></p>— Lindsey Thiry (@LindseyThiry) <a href="https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/841515687965208576">March 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Baylor dismissed Assoc. Dir. for Football Operations DeMarcko Butler, who was hired last month. Was sending inappropriate texts to teenager.</p>— Kevin McGuire (@KevinOnCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinOnCFB/status/841497892993015808">March 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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At what point will "Baylor being Baylor" become a thing

That is so freakin' funny and sad at the same time.

 

[ACamp1900]

I thought of sharing this back when it occurred but never did, I guess it's worth sharing:

I applied for a job at Baylor recently... student services job with heavy involvement in athletics... this whole thing was brought up in the interview as one of the questions, "Are you aware??... What are your thoughts on it??" kind of thing... In summation I stated I'd love to take on the challenge of helping Baylor overcome recent difficulties and help in mending the overall reputation/wounds while moving towards a more positive future for all involved. Basically I acknowledged the facts while noting that for the most part it was fixable and something that can and should be overcome and made to never happen again...

I was told at the end of the interview that while my credentials and overall presence made for a great fit they were looking for someone who understood "The Baylor Way" more than my answer to that particular question led them to believe. I thought it was odd for two reasons: First, I've never been told flat out on the spot what question/answer was the red or green light in a job interview... Second, I really came away feeling like what they wanted was for me to sugar coat what was going on and or act like it wasn't even a thing.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I thought of sharing this back when it occurred but never did, I guess it's worth sharing:

I applied for a job at Baylor recently... student services job that involved heavy involvement with athletics... this whole thing was brought up in the interview as one of the questions, "Are you aware??... What are your thoughts on it??" kind of thing... In summation I stated I'd love to take on the challenge of helping Baylor overcome recent difficulties and help in mending the overall reputation/wounds while moving towards a more positive future for all involved. Basically I acknowledged the facts while noting that for the most part it was fixable and something that can and should be overcome and made to never happen again...

I was told at the end of the interview that while my credentials and overall presence made for a great fit they were looking for someone who understood "The Baylor Way" more than my answer to that particular question led them to believe. I thought it was odd for two reasons: First, I've never been told flat out on the spot what question/answer was the red or green light in a job interview... Second, I really came away feeling like what they wanted was for me to sugar coat what was going on and or act like it wasn't even a thing.

Be honest.....you applied so you could stalk Joanna Gaines.

 

[ACamp1900]

Be honest.....you applied so you could stalk Joanna Gaines.

Lucky fuckin punk:

 

[ColinKSU]

Lucky fuckin punk:

Having watched way too much Fixer Upper, mostly because of Joanna, I feel like Chip is the perfect man for her because it probably takes an very chill dude to handle someone like Jo Jo. She seems like she has extremely strong opinions and really likes when things go exactly her way.

 

[woolybug25]

Having watched way too much Fixer Upper, mostly because of Joanna, I feel like Chip is the perfect man for her because it probably takes an very chill dude to handle someone like Jo Jo. She seems like she has extremely strong opinions and really likes when things go exactly her way.

How is that different than any other woman?

 

[ColinKSU]

How is that different than any other woman?

Eh, not every woman is overbearing and demanding. Joanna lets slip every so often that she will rip your soul out if she doesn't get everything exactly her way.