Banned Users

[tko]

So wait why did Koon get perma banned?

Him and Lax had their slap fight. Lax threatened to (not really) dox him. Lax got a 24 hour cool down. And then...?

Lax is a Democrat and Koon likes Trump.

 

[ThePiombino]

Mods,
I’m not on here quite as much as others and don’t post too often, but I really appreciate the job y’all do. This forum is a great source of info for fans like myself to keep my ear to the ground about ND and generally interact with others. I always miss the lead up to these bans but you are appreciated.
Rich

Dude just dox'ed himself. Bold.

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[PraetorianND]

The politics thread isn’t the problem. Blaming a topic is an easy way for people to not take responsibility for themselves.

 

[Henges24]

Koon was about to be permabanned anyways for his bet that Keys OR Lenzy wouldn’t be on team come Navy.

 

[Irish2155]

PS. The only thing that actually surprised me was Irish2155. I know he has had his hand slapped a couple times by moderators, but I had no idea we had beef. Always thought he was a good poster.

I don't have to read the rest of this long post to already know what it says - I just hope it's less back tracking/excused filled and heavier on the accountability side. The bolded means a ton to me coming from you though. Thank you, sir. I mean that.

No beef my friend. I don't have the time nor energy for that shit, especially on an internet message board with people I've never met. That's not what I come here for and my apologies if some of my "antics" led to any of this.

A piece of humble pie is hard to swallow but is not a bad thing when needed...I've been taught that the hard way at times too. No one is above taking their medicine. Hopefully, we can all just use this as some sort of learning experience. I know I have - I've learned (am learning) to treat the board with a little more respect and will try to do better about that going forward...

At the end of the day, we're all ND fans on the same team (well everyone except for Bishop ). That and Ian Book hitting the long ball this spring is all that really matters. Here's to everyone staying safe and GO IRISH - that something we can all cheers to!!

Happy Easter to everyone too, btw. I know I'm going to eat the shit out of a baked ham today....

 

[Circa]

Reading this thread, I need to clear the air on a LOT of stuff. I can't address everything without writing a novel. So I'm going to focus on what actually set this off, and then I'm outie for a bit.

We got on the topic of Koon because he made some out-of-line posts. And I tried appealing to him as a person to cut the crap, because people who know him real life have said he’s a solid dude. They say he’s a good guy who just acts different online. The idea that there is personal animus is just not true on any level. The only reason he wasn’t permabanned in 2015 for some serious rule breaking is that I lobbied to give him a second chance because a mutual acquaintance vouched for him. So instead he got a few months, and told to knock off the trolling, instigating, etc. I then lobbied to get him reinstated early. And I have the receipts for all of this.

I’m not going to rehash the posts from yesterday that everyone can go read and draw their own conclusions. Bottom line is that I didn’t expect people to resort to outright lies as a form trolling to score points. It was a mistake to start down the path addressing that misinformation head on, and ask if he wanted me to “prove it.” I’ll 100% own that my phrasing in that post was a fuck up. Once I saw how it was being received, I realized that. And I got about halfway through deleting the offending posts before Beau tried to nip it in the bud and deescalate the situation. Instead of that happening, Koon doubled down on some Alex Jones level conspiracy crap.

I seriously cannot believe he tried to convince people that the mods are reading people’s PMs (this is physically impossible!!! Even the all-powerful Jason Pham can’t do that) or sleuthing out people’s personal information or other nonsense. I mean what in the actual fuck? Trolling is one thing, but that isn’t funny or acceptable on every level. The only thing anyone has access to is your registration email. Period. It's really easy to show that he was absolutely full of it with basically everything he posted yesterday, but given that offering to "prove" stuff is exactly what set off this shit show I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole.

I’m not naïve enough to think this is the end of it. I’m sure Koon is relishing his new martyr role… there are many times when he has begged to be permabanned, so congrats on finally crossing enough lines to get your wish. I'd also put strong odds on Koon and loomis circumventing their bans, they’ve both admitted to stuff like that with bans in the past. Is what it is and there's nothing we can really do if he wants to stir up more shit.

I’ll close by saying we have to figure out a way to stop the toxic effect politics threads are having on our board. I've personally been really susceptible to this. The vast majority of conflicts are in those threads or because of spillover from those threads. It didn’t use to be anything close to this. Speaking personally, there are still a ton of people on both sides of the political spectrum doing things how they used to be done. Drayer, YJ, wizards, whiskey, etc. come to mind as people on the right I disagree with a lot but always keep it 100%; 41, Bluto, Oahu are guys on the left I can say the same about. Many other very smart posters too I’m not naming, and a lot of others that (usually) trend towards being productive. But there are also way too many fucking people treating this site like Twitter right now. Acting like the goal is to try to talk past someone or score points or whatever. We’ve lost a LOT of good posters due to our decision to lightly moderate and sequester the politics threads (RIP Cack), so that was maybe a mistake. It’s fitting that many of the same people who drove those people off hanged themselves yesterday by showing their true colors. The same people that are responsible for the bulk of reported posts and asking for other to be banned are the same ones who cry about mods "controlling the board." Ironic.

Yesterday was a wakeup call that putting any effort into engaging with people on this site who choose to post in bad faith is a waste of time, and that our “hands off” approach to moderating in order to avoid conflict/drama was a gross miscalculation. Not a single moderator here signed up for this site so that they could referee squabbles on some generic politics board.

I’ll be back for football season, I’m going to spend the rest of the weekend doing what I actually joined this site to do 10 years ago which is talk ND sports. No info hold back, if the rumor is wrong fuck it you’ll have forgotten in a few months. Also, reading some posts here about some long gone posters here also makes me nostalgic, so if people want to wax poetic about them or other big picture shit I’m game for that too.

Much Love,

IrishLax

PS. The only thing that actually surprised me was Irish2155. I know he has had his hand slapped a couple times by moderators, but I had no idea we had beef. Always thought he was a good poster.

The bolded Is a statement I keep reading and I can't fathom the people that feel the need to tattle tell... I'm sure being a mod Is harder then I can really even understand and If people really report posts because they don't agree then WOW!
I Personally would get irritated at a few posters (as I'm sure some of you feel about me).
But I never once thought about reporting someone because their opinion didn't match mine...

You also said something about this sight becoming similar to Twitter. I disagree. This sight Is a home for us fans that love the way our university is, and all of us that have read and tried to be apart of it since 2006-07 era have an affinity for the characters on board. Times are different and the ways people do things are also.
It's what makes this site very interesting, and we are growing up reading the opinions of our fellow Irish faithful.
(Thats my simple opinion anyway.)

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The politics thread isn’t the problem. Blaming a topic is an easy way for people to not take responsibility for themselves.

Preach.

I have gotten into some very "lively" debates in the politics thread and haven't even gotten a warning. Because it's a debate with a person I've never met on a ND football website. Perspective helps, fellas.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The politics thread isn’t the problem. Blaming a topic is an easy way for people to not take responsibility for themselves.

I don’t know about that.

I purposely avoid any politic threads on IE or on peoples Facebook posts. People are very passionate about politics and their views can blind them at times causing their behavior to get out of hand. That is the reason why I avoid the politics threads at all cost. No matter how you cut it everyone has a very strong view on politics and if someone disagrees there will be an argument and most likely will get out of hand.


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[DONTH8]

I don’t know about that.

I purposely avoid any politic threads on IE or on peoples Facebook posts. People are very passionate about politics and their views can blind them at times causing their behavior to get out of hand. That is the reason why I avoid the politics threads at all cost. No matter how you cut it everyone has a very strong view on politics and if someone disagrees there will be an argument and most likely will get out of hand.


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Yup. Politics tends to be seen as such a manifestation of personal opinions, ideals, values, and ethics that it can get very personal, very quickly. A lot of those manifestations create our egos. Whereas if you disagree with my football opinion, who cares? You're not calling me a bad person, just stupid at football. And unless the person in question's ego is solely based on football (there are some who this is the case) then it just doesn't matter.

 

[BobbyMac]

I don’t know about that.

I purposely avoid any politic threads on IE or on peoples Facebook posts. People are very passionate about politics and their views can blind them at times causing their behavior to get out of hand. That is the reason why I avoid the politics threads at all cost. No matter how you cut it everyone has a very strong view on politics and if someone disagrees there will be an argument and most likely will get out of hand.


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I'm here with you. Plus, I can't respect anyone's opinion who is always Big Red or Big Blue. There are real line items in life and if you punch every box on color, you're just a political fan boi. My degree is in International Policy and I have no desire to debate radical views from a HS dropout who loads trucks at UPS regardless if he's a Trumper or a FeelTheBerner. There is so much more to politics than infotainment programming. There a real institutions that are devoid of political theater that do the heavy lifting everyday.

One thing I find comical is watching the reaction of the "news industry" regarding Trump's absolute bat shiit crazy antics and how it keeps them gasping for breath as they sprint from one chaotic episode to the next. Serves them right that the spins gets spun, it's exactly what they attempt to do to us everyday.

That being said, it would be a much better world if Donald got eternal laryngitis and Melania cut of his thumbs. Maybe he'll act Presidential if he makes it to a second term? Good luck with that.

 

[calvegas04]

Well losing Koon is going to be a loss for the this board

 

[fightingirish26]

Well losing Koon is going to be a loss for the this board

I'm sure we've lost at least a handful of good posters who couldn't deal with Koon anymore. Hopefully they got the news, could entice a few people to start posting again.

 

[Circa]

I'm sure we've lost at least a handful of good posters who couldn't deal with Koon anymore. Hopefully they got the news, could entice a few people to start posting again.

Maybe... just maybe. if we could all just check ourselves at the door... (almost like taking your shoes off at a friends house out of respect, even If your feet stink) Maybe we all would not feel the need to take things personally.
IDK much about why people get upset. I do understand why I do,... It's usually because of opinions and ways of life i personally can't control.
Once i figure out my own issue, It usually isn't about someone else. IT'S ALL ABOUT ME..

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[Wild Bill]

I'm sure we've lost at least a handful of good posters who couldn't deal with Koon anymore. Hopefully they got the news, could entice a few people to start posting again.

Use the ignore feature.

 

[ThePiombino]

Use the ignore feature.

Impossible. His ability to derail a thread made it unreadable whether or not you were interacting directly with him.

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[ACamp1900]

Impossible. His ability to derail a thread made it unreadable whether or not you were interacting directly with him.

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If the ‘ignore posts quoted by’ was included in the feature it’d be perfect

 

[Circa]

Impossible. His ability to derail a thread made it unreadable whether or not you were interacting directly with him.

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i know). those threads were so hard to keep my own perspective and just keep scrolling... It was as If someone was on my shoulders saying bad boy....bad boy. I found a way tho and now I want nothing but accolades. Seriously (not really). I want respect and v-bucks because I am me.


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[ThePiombino]

If the ignore posts quoted by was included in the feature it&#146;d be perfect

Truer words...

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[SonofOahu]

Use the ignore feature.

Didn't realize this board has an ignore setting.

 

[GATTACA!]

Didn't realize this board has an ignore setting.

Why do you think no one ever responds to you?

 

[BobbyMac]

Why do you think no one ever responds to you?

Thank you. I didn't wanna be THAT guy. lol

 

[Circa]

Didn't realize this board has an ignore setting.

Believe me. The narcissism runs deep. Especially with people that think they are smarter or more important. It's one of those things that will change as our younger generation clears out the people that like to bully others out of no fault of their own.

There's one thing about generational influence that I understand... Kids that were bullied... will teach their own kids not to....
(this is an opinion and we as a society are becoming weak)

 

[SonofOahu]

Why do you think no one ever responds to you?

Ouch, that hurts.

 

[PraetorianND]

We shouldn’t ever shut down conversations that are deemed controversial or sensitive. It’s up to individuals to control their behavior and/or self censor.

 

[GATTACA!]

Ouch, that hurts.

 

[Irish#1]

I guess it all comes down to perspective. There are some posters I don't agree with more than not, but I've never neg repped anyone and try to make sure I don't use any derogatory terms. There are a number of former posters who left or were banned because they couldn't control the emotions. Is that the fault of the other posters or the topic (political)? Of course not. I just don't see the need to get that upset. It is afterall an online forum.

As far as Koon, I had no issues with him personally and more than not got a good laugh from a lot of hs posts. What I'll miss the most is him asking for advice, then ignoring 99% of the advice he got. Those are usually pure gold.

 

[greyhammer90]

We shouldn’t ever shut down conversations that are deemed controversial or sensitive. It’s up to individuals to control their behavior and/or self censor.

Conversations are almost never shut down because they are sensitive. They get shut down for being off-topic, argued in bad faith (trolly), repeated ad nauseam (annoying), or for being outright hostile.

This board had threads on sensitive topics for years that were largely respectful and intelligent discussions. They were some of my favorite threads on this board, and I usually came away with a larger perspective and more respect for the posters involved. The reason those threads were great was because only people who had an interest in serious discussion came to them. If you acted like an ass, you got put in timeout.

There's lots of places on the internet that feel like the Trump thread. If someone wants to avoid all moderation, there are plenty of places to go. I can point you in that direction. There was only one IE, and a big big part of that was the fact that the discussion was curated.

 

[NDohio]

Wowza...Did a drive-by on Friday and missed Best Friday! There is a lot to unpack in the previous 5 pages...

Crazy rumor that will be bad for ND?!?! Hope it's just a rumor.

LAX outing Koon who had already outed himself?!?! How is that a bad thing?

I for one will not miss Koon. His trolling could derail a good thread in seconds and then mass hysteria. He is probably a good guy in real life, his internet personality though was not good for the board IMO.

Yes, the politics thread has been a detriment to the board. A lot of really good posters were either banned or left the board on their own because of them. That sucks - the board's personality is definitely different today than what it used to be. There have been very serious toned threads that have had a plethora of opinions in them that didn't cause the same havoc that the political threads have caused.

I think maybe we need a food thread...or cats...or spiderman memes...

 

[ThePiombino]

I guess it all comes down to perspective. There are some posters I don't agree with more than not, but I've never neg repped anyone and try to make sure I don't use any derogatory terms. There are a number of former posters who left or were banned because they couldn't control the emotions. Is that the fault of the other posters or the topic (political)? Of course not. I just don't see the need to get that upset. It is afterall an online forum.



As far as Koon, I had no issues with him personally and more than not got a good laugh from a lot of hs posts. What I'll miss the most is him asking for advice, then ignoring 99% of the advice he got. Those are usually pure gold.

Ask-hole is the term for that.

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[EvilleIrish]

Wowza...Did a drive-by on Friday and missed Best Friday! There is a lot to unpack in the previous 5 pages...

Crazy rumor that will be bad for ND?!?! Hope it's just a rumor.

LAX outing Koon who had already outed himself?!?! How is that a bad thing?

I for one will not miss Koon. His trolling could derail a good thread in seconds and then mass hysteria. He is probably a good guy in real life, his internet personality though was not good for the board IMO.

Yes, the politics thread has been a detriment to the board. A lot of really good posters were either banned or left the board on their own because of them. That sucks - the board's personality is definitely different today than what it used to be. There have been very serious toned threads that have had a plethora of opinions in them that didn't cause the same havoc that the political threads have caused.

I think maybe we need a food thread...or cats...or spiderman memes...

What was the rumor? I missed that one.