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T Town Tommy said:
That argument would be solid but the SEC has proven it time and again in the title games. They have taken on the next "Johnny Come Lately" and beat them pretty handily. Outside of the Auburn Oregon game, the other games in the seven years were a joke.

Remember, it was the SEC who first proposed a playoff system. Only the ACC joined them in calling for a playoff. The B1G, Big 12, Pac 12, and Notre Dame were seriously opposed to it. Why? They wanted to protect their "right" to play in a BCS bowl game and have a remote chance to play for a title. Can't do it on the field so let's get in another way mentality. Delaney has been the biggest cry baby about this even with his conference proving year in and year out they don't belong in the elite team conversation.

I would do the same if I were those conferences and Notre Dame. Each conference and ND has had their chance - and each conference has been beaten in the seven years with most being completely embarrassed. Again, put the two best teams - and we can safely say we know who they are each year - in the title game. True champs - not paper tigers.
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Stop with the Revisionist History, Tommy.


Roy Kramer divided the SEC into two divisions so the loser could claim a title. "We're the SEC West Champs". "Hey recruit, UGA is #2 in the rugged SEC ............... (east)."

Roy Kramer championed Bowl Tie-ins to exclude other schools from the SEC's revenue stream.

Kramer set up Division Championships creating an illusion that the SEC Champion played a tougher schedule when Kramer actually watered down the conference schedule. The SEC Championship is NOT a scheduled game for any SEC team. It provides them with a boost in the ranking after others schools seasons had already ended. Then SEC shills go on internet boards touting the tougher "schedule" that doesn't exist.

Kramer created Championship Scheduling through the Divisions concept replacing key in season battles with cream puff directional school "opponents".

Kramer created the BCS and was the first BCS Czar so that the SEC would be in the Championship Game even if they had losses. (Remember "You can't win the SEC with two losses", Tommy? It was why the SEC played for so many ties. "Winning on the field". Really? Your pants are on fire, Tommy!) Remember when Strength of Schedule was a key component and then Auburn got bypassed for playing a Division AA caliber schedule? Next season Kramer got the formulas "tweaked" so the SEC could continue playing the cream puffs.

Then the SEC when to Oversigning, greyshirting, and other assorted practices to pad their rosters with more talent in a 4 year cycle than anyone else.

I still have an SEC Media Guide from the 90's praising Roy Kramer for his insight's and "develop of championship scheduling".


The young ones here might be gullible but I've lived here for over 30 years. I've been to SEC Media Days, SEC Championships, a bunch of SEC campuses, and know deep pocketed movers and shaker at many SEC schools.

Hell, Tommy I still remember when the SEC got caught playing 6 ineligible players in bowl games. They came from different schools and not one of them had passed a single course. Their GPAs were 0.00

When caught, the SEC expressed astonishment and reluctantly changed their rule (the one that didn't exist) to require that a player had to get a passing grade in two courses to be eligible postseason. A passing GPA wasn't required ... just a pair of "D"s.
 
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The SEC has had success because other conferences don't protect their top teams like the SEC... All other teams have grinded out their way while SEC teams have played one non practice game a month... That's it, get up for one game a month, and chill... And that sets them up for the post season better than any other conference, because the one and done postseason mirrors their season perfectly... While all other teams are beat down and not nearly as prepared, mentally and physically... Honestly, top to bottom, the SEC is one of the less impressive conferences in the BCS the PAC 12 and Big 12 have so much more depth its stupid...... The bottom two thirds of the SEC are REALLY bad...

IMO the playoff will be the worst thing to ever happen to the SEC ( assuming they dont schedule three teams in it every year)... If its evenly distrubuted... They'll likely rarely win anything moving forward...

Oh and a middling big 12 team and a team that wouldn't win five games in any other confernce are playing for your title right now... #insanelyoverratedbull
 
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I want us to run some variation of this Auburn offense next year. We've ran the pistol a ton this year. We should have the running backs for it. While Golson isn't near as fast as Marshall, he has a much better arm.
 
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NDPhilly said:
I want us to run some variation of this Auburn offense next year. We've ran the pistol a ton this year. We should have the running backs for it. While Golson isn't near as fast as Marshall, he has a much better arm.
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That is the power spread and I do not see that as the evolution of our offense. I love that offense, but ours is much more powerful version of Baylor's. Our option game is secondary, and we have much less trickery in our offense.
 
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ryno 24 said:
That is the power spread and I do not see that as the evolution of our offense. I love that offense, but ours is much more powerful version of Baylor's. Our option game is secondary, and we have much less trickery in our offense.
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Baylor would be a better model for us.
 
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ACamp1900 said:
The SEC has had success because other conferences don't protect their top teams like the SEC... All other teams have grinded out their way while SEC teams have played one non practice game a month... That's it, get up for one game a month, and chill... And that sets them up for the post season better than any other conference, because the one and done postseason mirrors their season perfectly... While all other teams are beat down and not nearly as prepared, mentally and physically... Honestly, top to bottom, the SEC is one of the less impressive conferences in the BCS the PAC 12 and Big 12 have so much more depth its stupid...... The bottom two thirds of the SEC are REALLY bad...

IMO the playoff will be the worst thing to ever happen to the SEC ( assuming they dont schedule three teams in it every year)... If its evenly distrubuted... They'll likely rarely win anything moving forward...

Oh and a middling big 12 team and a team that wouldn't win five games in any other confernce are playing for your title right now... #insanelyoverratedbull
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Not to mention the 8 conference game schedule compared to everyone else's 9. It inflates the records and rankings of the conference.
 
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That Dr. Pepper guy is a disgrace, but if that was his only way to win 100k against a woman, then I guess the humiliation is worth it.
 
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Why exactly is he a disgrace? Doing a actual throwing motion would take up way more time. If I was in that competition I would just do chest passes.
 
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ACamp1900 said:
The SEC has had success because other conferences don't protect their top teams like the SEC... All other teams have grinded out their way while SEC teams have played one non practice game a month... That's it, get up for one game a month, and chill... And that sets them up for the post season better than any other conference, because the one and done postseason mirrors their season perfectly... While all other teams are beat down and not nearly as prepared, mentally and physically... Honestly, top to bottom, the SEC is one of the less impressive conferences in the BCS the PAC 12 and Big 12 have so much more depth its stupid...... The bottom two thirds of the SEC are REALLY bad...

IMO the playoff will be the worst thing to ever happen to the SEC ( assuming they dont schedule three teams in it every year)... If its evenly distrubuted... They'll likely rarely win anything moving forward...

Oh and a middling big 12 team and a team that wouldn't win five games in any other confernce are playing for your title right now... #insanelyoverratedbull
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Ohhhh ACamp.... where to start.

The SEC has been the most dominant conference in CFB for the better part of the last decade. The bottom 1/3 of the conference is typically weak but when you have to play Bama, LSU, Ga, Scar, Fla, you are typically going to lose. Throw in an Auburn and Ark when they decide to field a team and you have a conference with 6-7 teams that can beat anyone in the country any week. And with the past bowl game results, it is pretty clear which conferences are stronger. The SEC usually plays higher confernce seeds in bowl games but still wins most of their bowl games. Why? Because the SEC is more dominant. There is a reason why the SEC has more players drafted in the NFL every year than any other conference - by a large margin as well. That isn't even close.

As far as A&M and Mizzou having early success in the conference.... remember A&M for all their glory has finished no better than third in their division and that's with a great QB and a coach who never played or coached a down in the Big 2... I mean Big 12. Also, Mizzou had a great year this season and would be a threat to win the conference championship in any conference this season. They also was very lucky in the fact that when they played every team in the SEC East this season they did so with the other team's having many injuries. Lucky? Yes. Still won? Yes. Good for them. And Mizzou was not a middling team in the Big 12. They were in the top tier of teams in that conference most years.

And past history says you are wrong about the SEC and a playoff system. In just the last two years alone, the SEC would have fielded at least two teams in the four team format. Go to eight teams and they would have fielded at least 3 teams. Most of the so called "expert" arguments this season was that if OSU had remained undefeated, there would be a very strong argument to keep them out of the four team playoff based on their lack of wins against ANY quality opponent minus Mich State - who, by the way, beat them anyway. So yeah... everyone in SEC country is thrilled to have a playoff system. And even more thrilled that conference and ND tie ins disappear. Let's win championships on the field... not in a board room.
 
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BGIF said:
Stop with the Revisionist History, Tommy.


Roy Kramer divided the SEC into two divisions so the loser could claim a title. "We're the SEC West Champs". "Hey recruit, UGA is #2 in the rugged SEC ............... (east)."

Roy Kramer championed Bowl Tie-ins to exclude other schools from the SEC's revenue stream.

Kramer set up Division Championships creating an illusion that the SEC Champion played a tougher schedule when Kramer actually watered down the conference schedule. The SEC Championship is NOT a scheduled game for any SEC team. It provides them with a boost in the ranking after others schools seasons had already ended. Then SEC shills go on internet boards touting the tougher "schedule" that doesn't exist.

Kramer created Championship Scheduling through the Divisions concept replacing key in season battles with cream puff directional school "opponents".

Kramer created the BCS and was the first BCS Czar so that the SEC would be in the Championship Game even if they had losses. (Remember "You can't win the SEC with two losses", Tommy? It was why the SEC played for so many ties. "Winning on the field". Really? Your pants are on fire, Tommy!) Remember when Strength of Schedule was a key component and then Auburn got bypassed for playing a Division AA caliber schedule? Next season Kramer got the formulas "tweaked" so the SEC could continue playing the cream puffs.

Then the SEC when to Oversigning, greyshirting, and other assorted practices to pad their rosters with more talent in a 4 year cycle than anyone else.

I still have an SEC Media Guide from the 90's praising Roy Kramer for his insight's and "develop of championship scheduling".


The young ones here might be gullible but I've lived here for over 30 years. I've been to SEC Media Days, SEC Championships, a bunch of SEC campuses, and know deep pocketed movers and shaker at many SEC schools.

Hell, Tommy I still remember when the SEC got caught playing 6 ineligible players in bowl games. They came from different schools and not one of them had passed a single course. Their GPAs were 0.00

When caught, the SEC expressed astonishment and reluctantly changed their rule (the one that didn't exist) to require that a player had to get a passing grade in two courses to be eligible postseason. A passing GPA wasn't required ... just a pair of "D"s.
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BGIF... I usually respect your opinions on here but some of them in your post here are just a little flawed. A conference championship game was opposed by every other major conference for years. The B1G and Jim "crybaby" Delaney was still opposing it three years ago. Why? To do what you just said. Protect their best team and their hopes to compete for a title. Your argument is not all that far off with Kramer as he thought he had made a huge mistake when he first created the game and that game had the potential to keep Bama out of the 1992 title game. But he also knew he had to do something because the league had plans to expand.

Now, fast forward to the present and what do we have? The same conferences that opposed a conference championship game opposed a playoff system - minus the ACC. Why? So they can protect their conference's chance at a title game. Again, win them on the field and not in a board room. And Notre Dame had the best deal of ANY team in the country when it came to the BCS and tie ins. Why would they EVER want to change that? I am so glad we are going to a playoff system and hope they expand it to 8 teams in the near future. Why? Contrary to what most on this board believes - or knows but won't admit - the SEC will be very well represented in any playoff model and will continue to have a chance to "earn" a title on the field and not have some paper tiger champion based on a tie in. Bring it on. Calipari at UK in basketball has the whole SOS schedule thing down and comes closest to your argument. Play a bunch of teams that will finish high in their respective conferences even if they aren't very good teams in the end. Look at one of your opponents in Oklahoma. A good team but not an elite team. Will usually finish pretty high in their conference and then get jail sexed in a bowl game. Looks great for SOS but at the end of the day a paper win most years. Same with BYU. Same with Michigan.Same with Miami. Outside of Stanford, most of the Irish opponents from major conferences fall under this scenerio.

As far as your last paragraph and obvious shot at the SEC, I could remind you of the Irish of the late 80's and all their indiscretions but why bother? It really serves no purpose today.
 
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