Avengers: Endgame (SPOILERS)

[GATTACA!]

Really? With all the other forced, dragged out bull crap, this is what bothered you? Having a daughter I tend to encourage these types of moments. Thought it wasn’t forced rather appropriate and well timed during the battle. Hated that the action stopped to set up the moment but was pumped to see the ladies stand together. I love ya buddy but just my opinion.

The battle coming to stop to acknowledge the woman power/wokeness was what was forced IMO. Not the fact that they included something like that.

IW has a very similar scene when Black Widow, Scarlett Witch, and Okoye take out Proxima Midnight. I really liked that one because they didn't stop and pander. They just had all the women doing something badass as if it was the same as anything else going on in the movie, which it should be!

 

[phork]

I have to say this is one reason why I dislike time travel scenarios. No matter what happens you can just travel back and reset.
Finality has its merits and I like how Lost did the time travel thing and seemingly Game oF Thrones. The whatever happened, happened and the Ink is already dry and all that. Not the We aren't happy with the outcome so we'll just go back, and if we mess up we'll just go back further. Basically everything you do, including time travel, leads you to this point, it cannot be changed.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I thought they were a bit too blase about messing up with the past... Like Loki getting away after the Battle of New York with the Tessaract won't significantly change what happens in the future?

But with movies like this I think you can't really focus on that as much and hope that it doesn't break you away from the movie, which it really didn't for me.

I don't agree that the whole woman power thing came at the wrong part in the movie. But I think they could have certainly gotten that same point across without being so annoying or obvious about it. I think that when they make it as obvious as they did it'll inevitably cause half the audience to eye roll which weakens their point to an extent. But again, that was the extent of it for me, a bit of an eye roll and then moving on, because that message is certainly valuable for the young girls out there watching these movies like Irishnd31 said.


One thing that bothered me the most is that from Nick Fury -- Nothing! They couldn't get a line or two out of him at the end? Not a mid or post credit scene with him? No interaction with him and the rest of the Avengers - the team who he has spent the last 25-30 years working towards this very goal? That would have been such a great payoff

 

[Irishnuke]

If you really want to sit an nitpick the time travel stuff you can do it all day and drive yourself insane. Clearly Cap going back in time messes up the timeline, as does probably everything else they did. I'm making the choice to just not dwell on it and enjoy the movie.

The girl power thing was fine except Captain Marvel clearly didn't need any help. She destroyed Thanos' ship but needed help getting through some bad guys from Pepper and Okoye? Come on. Wanda's scene with Thanos was one of my favorite parts of the movie. It literally seemed like she could have defeated him by herself. I wish she had more to do in these movies. She's definitely underutilized.

 

[RDU Irish]

Agree with Nuke - they wring their hands over the time travel implications, sneak around to steal the stones, only to completely FUBAR the whole thing in the end? Seems to set up a multiple timeline situation to open up for future series if ask me - I don't think they would have been so lazy to just say F-it.

Hot mess Thor looking like "melted ice cream" and "Lebowski" - well done.

Cap is worthy - even channeling lightning - sweet series. Consider for a minute the international distribution and the pure kick ass-edness of Captain America. #PureMurica

InteleHulk - funny but so neutered. Trying to motivate to smash in NYC was pretty funny. Then contrasting to Hulk pissed taking the stairs smashing his way out of the building - pure gold.

Gratuitous girl power scene drew applause which was a bigger eye roll for me than the scene itself. Seeing how many women are drawn in to these movies versus when the original Iron Man came out - I'd say its more marketing driven than political statement.

Just so much to unpack - can't wait to see it again!

 

[gkIrish]

My fear of no action until the very end came true.

The time travel was fun but I wish there was more of it. I think the movie would have been much better if more time was spent on getting back the infinity stones in the past. A lot of opportunity for action scenes wasted. Could have been much more nostalgic and funny. There are so many inconsistencies (i.e. Nebula can kill herself with no effect on the future but the characters try very hard to not be seen so as not to change anything).

I guess I would rather them just straight up say the past won't change and just let all the characters who got no screen time do some cool shit.

TLR the end felt very rushed. I liked Infinity War a lot more.

 

[gkIrish]

I have an alternate plot idea I'll post tomorrow when Im not on my phone. Uses a lot of the same elements from Endgame without the plot holes and lack of action.

Edit: nvm too lazy

 

[greyhammer90]

Certainly not the best. Not bad either. But my feelings upon leaving the theater were pretty meh. I can't imagine trying to take a kid to see that movie. 8 year olds were probably bored out of their minds.

 

[GATTACA!]

I thought they were a bit too blase about messing up with the past... Like Loki getting away after the Battle of New York with the Tessaract won't significantly change what happens in the future?

But with movies like this I think you can't really focus on that as much and hope that it doesn't break you away from the movie, which it really didn't for me.

It changes things that will happen in the future of that timeline, but it doesn't change the future or the past of the main timeline we've been watching this whole time.

I think everyone has a fundamental misunderstanding of how this time travel was made to work.

They spell it our after Rhodey suggests going back and killing baby Thanos. That would save the past timeline from ever being snapped, but it wouldn't have any effect on the "current" timeline where the snap already occurred.

I don't agree that the whole woman power thing came at the wrong part in the movie. But I think they could have certainly gotten that same point across without being so annoying or obvious about it. I think that when they make it as obvious as they did it'll inevitably cause half the audience to eye roll which weakens their point to an extent. But again, that was the extent of it for me, a bit of an eye roll and then moving on, because that message is certainly valuable for the young girls out there watching these movies like Irishnd31 said.

What's the important message? Half the cast is female to begin with. The strongest person in the whole universe is female.

Why do we need to stop the movie and practically break the fourth wall to hammer home "HEY GIRLS ARE FUCKIN AWESOME! DID YOU NOTICE? WE THINK GIRLS ARE JUST AS GOOD AS BOYS!!"

Just treat everyone like equals. Problem solved, no pandering required.

Why wasn't there a scene where T'Challa needed help and then the movie stopped and every black character grouped up around him? Is that not an important message too?

 

[ulukinatme]

Haven't seen it yet, but ya'll trashing time travel....

 

[IrishLion]

Why wasn't there a scene where T'Challa needed help and then the movie stopped and every black character grouped up around him? Is that not an important message too?

He didn't get that, but he always gets a scene with the Wakandans where he leads them in a traditional African war chant. Kind of similar.

They also had the LGBTQ moment early in the film where the guy was talking to Cap about his date with another guy.

I don't mind it, because it's just quick moments of representation for different groups.

You might have felt like you were beat over the head with the "Powerful Women" scene, but it was really only 45 seconds of screen time in a 3-hour movie. It was a cool scene, which would have been cool even if dudes were included. No skin off my back either way.

 

[gkIrish]

Btw my absolute favorite scene was when Come and Get Your Love started playing and we got to see Quill dancing again. The entire theater started singing.

 

[IrishLion]

During the movie, I missed Professor Hulk's quick explanation of how he came to terms with Hulk and how they became one and the same... How did he do it? He said something about doing something for several months?

 

[calvegas04]

Battle of Winterfell was better than the end battle in Endgame.

 

[Irishnuke]

Battle of Winterfell was better than the end battle in Endgame.

Eh no. You can actually see what’s happening in the Battle of Right Next to Avengers Mansion. Plus Thanos actually fought instead of letting everyone else do it for him. Yeah he had help but also fought Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, and the rest.

 

[GATTACA!]

I loved the part when Thanos was walking slowly towards a crippled Iron Man surrounded by the children of Thanos and a hundred grunts only to have the Wasp jump out of nowhere, stab him, and by doing so kill every single bad guy left in the movie.

Totally subverted my expectations, which means it's great.

 

[IrishLion]

During the movie, I missed Professor Hulk's quick explanation of how he came to terms with Hulk and how they became one and the same... How did he do it? He said something about doing something for several months?

Bump

 

[IrishLax]

Bump

I think he basically said he spent a couple months in the lab messing with gamma radiation trying to combine the two and succeeded.

 

[IrishLion]

I think he basically said he spent a couple months in the lab messing with gamma radiation trying to combine the two and succeeded.

Reps.

I think I was crinkling my sour skittles bag at that exact line.

 

[calvegas04]

Would give it a 7 our of 10... thought Infinity War was a better film.

 

[IrishLion]

Would give it a 7 our of 10... thought Infinity War was a better film.

I think I'd give it an 8.5 based on humor and fan service...

But after a cool-down period, I definitely agree that Infinity War was better. I think Infinity War has a good "rewatchability" factor. I'd rate it as a 9 on the "Comic Book Movie" scale.

I'm not sure Endgame will be super rewatchable... at least not the first hour. You'd basically be watching 1.5 hours of setup for brief moments of humor, and then waiting for the goosebumps moments in the end.

 

[calvegas04]

Also not a big fan of what they are doing with Thor, almost as if he is a comic relief now.

End battle I thought could have been longer for how long the movie itself was.

Still not sold on Captain Marvel.

Anyone else think the kid from Iron Man 3 will take up the role of the new Iron Man?

 

[IrishLion]

Also not a big fan of what they are doing with Thor, almost as if he is a comic relief now.

End battle I thought could have been longer for how long the movie itself was.

Still not sold on Captain Marvel.

Anyone else think the kid from Iron Man 3 will take up the role of the new Iron Man?

It's possible... I don't know if they'd bring him to the funeral without any clue as to who he is (I had to Google him after I left the theater) if they didn't have something planned for him.

Maybe he gets his own run on Disney+?

There's also "Ironheart," the black girl that takes over for Tony Stark with Pepper's help. I could see that being a Disney+ offering, too.

 

[ulukinatme]

Tony Stark is just going to come back to life. He did it in the comics, no reason he couldn't do it again. Maybe he didn't really die anyway...maybe he used the reality stone to make everyone THINK he died so he could finally step away and make people leave him alone. In all reality, yeah, it'll probably be the kid from IM3.

Just saw the movie tonight, btw. Certainly was long, but thought it was good. It was pretty obvious Tony wasn't going to make it, which made me a bit sad since Iron Man has been my favorite even before the MCU. Been a fan going back to at least 2002 because of Marvel vs. Capcom 2.
Got a ton of Golden Age Iron Man and early Avengers comics too. That said, pretty epic way to go out. I think Endgame is better than Infinity War personally, and I enjoyed all the call backs to time travel movies. If anything I felt like they resolved the problems with time travel a little too easily, but I'm guessing they had to speed things along because...3 hour movie.

 

[IrishLion]

Tony Stark is just going to come back to life. He did it in the comics, no reason he couldn't do it again. Maybe he didn't really die anyway...maybe he used the reality stone to make everyone THINK he died so he could finally step away and make people leave him alone. In all reality, yeah, it'll probably be the kid from IM3.

Just saw the movie tonight, btw. Certainly was long, but thought it was good. It was pretty obvious Tony wasn't going to make it, which made me a bit sad since Iron Man has been my favorite even before the MCU. Been a fan going back to at least 2002 because of Marvel vs. Capcom 2.
Got a ton of Golden Age Iron Man and early Avengers comics too. That said, pretty epic way to go out. I think Endgame is better than Infinity War personally, and I enjoyed all the call backs to time travel movies. If anything I felt like they resolved the problems with time travel a little too easily, but I'm guessing they had to speed things along because...3 hour movie.

I also like the 'out' they gave themselves for potentially bringing back Loki. He steals the Tessaract and bounces. Presumably, when Cap returned the stones to the time from which they were taken, everything in the other timelines was set back to normal...

But it's comic book universe, so you know Loki could totally find a way to break from that timeline and get back into the primary universe before Cap returns the stones.

I also wonder if Black Widow's movie is gonna be set in the past, or if Cap returning the stones brings her back, too.

 

[tussin]

As a casual viewer of these movies, it felt a little heavy handed.

 

[beryirish]

I echo a lot of the comments on here. Loved the movie for being invested in the MCU the past 10+ years.

It will be hard to watch again outside the theaters for sake of finding 3 hours of uninterrupted time.

One thing i really liked that they did with Iron Man's death was that he didn't say anything. He was in pain. He was dying. We all know Tony as the witty character who can't shut his mouth. It was touching to see Spiderman come to him and then Potts say you can rest now then Tony passed. Great great moment. That's when the tears came.

 

[Irishnuke]

As a casual viewer of these movies, it felt a little heavy handed.

It's definitely not for the casual viewer.

 

[calvegas04]

Can't believe Wiz hasn't posted in here to jizz all over how great the movie is.

 

[IrishLion]

It's definitely not for the casual viewer.

They fully embraced the people who have been through the whole ordeal by watching all of the films... I think it was the right move.

They're going to bring in casual viewers and their money just based on the spectacle alone. Knowing that everyone was going to go see it regardless of which direction they went with the details left them free to make decisions where the plot was better served, and offered a better payoff, by essentially just leaning into a bunch of fan service.