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“Equivalent”

“Boston College, Florida”

And...?

Not that it's the end all be all, but U.S. News undergraduate rankings has Notre Dame at #20, University of Florida at #28, and Boston College at #39.

They're fairly equal, especially Notre Dame and UF.
 

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And...?

Not that it's the end all be all, but U.S. News undergraduate rankings has Notre Dame at #20, University of Florida at #28, and Boston College at #39.

They're fairly equal, especially Notre Dame and UF.
That’s not what equal means. BC is as close to ND in the rankings as ND is to #1. They’re fine schools, but ND is better and better than the USNWR rankings give it credit for.
 

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A decent poll. Ole Miss in front seems questionable but otherwise, those in front do not freak me out.

FSU at 10
At the moment, I'm looking strictly at ND and TAMU. Wherever everything falls come November for FSU is a long ways off.

TAMU is an SEC team ranked in the preseason coaches poll. It's going to be a feather in the cap for ND when they win. SEC, SEC, SEC. Surely the message will change due to bias and should TAMU finish with a "meh" record, but.....SEC. SEC. SEC.
 

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And...?

Not that it's the end all be all, but U.S. News undergraduate rankings has Notre Dame at #20, University of Florida at #28, and Boston College at #39.

They're fairly equal, especially Notre Dame and UF.
It depends what you want in a school. ND is very different from a large state school. Rankings do not tell us much about expected earnings as a graduate of different schools or the value of an alumni network. This is especially important if you want to live outside of the state where the state school is located.

If you are from Florida, or have family there, or whatever, UF would make plenty of sense. But why pay out-of-state tuition to go to UF when I could go to my local state school for a lot less money? Or pay to go to ND for a different sort of experience? What is the comparative advantage of [insert out-of-state state school]? ND gives people from other states more of a reason to go there. Certainly, if the choice is UF in-state vs. ND, UF would make sense.
 

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I looked back at Elko's last 2 years as DC at TAMU and looked up the games where he gave up the most points: every single one was the product of an explosive passing game. Elko makes his money on shutting down the run first so Denbrock and the offense will need to be successful at generating a passing attack.

Not rocket science but I was surprised I didn't see any games where there were huge rushing numbers. I might've missed them, it was in between meetings.
 

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I looked back at Elko's last 2 years as DC at TAMU and looked up the games where he gave up the most points: every single one was the product of an explosive passing game. Elko makes his money on shutting down the run first so Denbrock and the offense will need to be successful at generating a passing attack.

Not rocket science but I was surprised I didn't see any games where there were huge rushing numbers. I might've missed them, it was in between meetings.
We should be very good at making teams one dimensional this year.
 

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The US News rankings are weighted to boost public colleges. Its a poor rating of actual admissions standards and outcomes.
It's also weighted to boost schools with med schools and big research programs, neither of which describe Notre Dame (but does describe many of the best flagship state universities).
But as others have said, it's all in what you're looking for. Florida IS a good school, for regular students (I'd be skeptical football players go to class much), it's just not really a relevant peer comparison to Notre Dame. They're so different. BC, USC, Georgetown, Emory, Wash U, Dartmouth, I'd even grant Michigan, they're also good schools that have a lot more overlap.
 

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It's also weighted to boost schools with med schools and big research programs, neither of which describe Notre Dame (but does describe many of the best flagship state universities).
But as others have said, it's all in what you're looking for. Florida IS a good school, for regular students (I'd be skeptical football players go to class much), it's just not really a relevant peer comparison to Notre Dame. They're so different. BC, USC, Georgetown, Emory, Wash U, Dartmouth, I'd even grant Michigan, they're also good schools that have a lot more overlap.

As I said in a prior post, it is extremely important as to what you want to do. As stated in my example, it makes sense to choose Missouri over ND if you want to study journalism or Texas, LSU, or Texas A&M if you want to study petro engineering.

However, UF has grown and maintained an excellent nationwide reputation for a public school (like UVA, Michigan, UCLA, Berkeley, UT, UNC, UGA). Lots and lots of northeastern kids are now going there. It’s really becoming a great school (now, I’m sure many exceptions are made for athletics, but like I said, they were also made at ND when I was there).

I also agree on the questionable rankings, but all in all, I can’t argue/disagree with the top 50 or so.

At the end of the day, admissions/academics are certainly quirky and inconsistent. I’ve said to before, I did not want to go to Notre Dame. Growing up in Terre Haute, I wanted to get out and a change of scenery and ND / South Bend certainly wasn’t it. I wanted to go to Georgetown (which, per the rankings, is #22 and ND is #20) and they basically denied my application instantaneously as they received it. Seriously. It was like a 48-hour turnaround. Denied. No waitlist, no explanation, no requesting for additional material / scores or interviews. It was almost like my name (which is somewhat a generic name) was mixed with another applicant with the same name. While on the other hand, ND courted me some and gave me an albeit minor scholarship / aid.
 

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I looked back at Elko's last 2 years as DC at TAMU and looked up the games where he gave up the most points: every single one was the product of an explosive passing game. Elko makes his money on shutting down the run first so Denbrock and the offense will need to be successful at generating a passing attack.

Not rocket science but I was surprised I didn't see any games where there were huge rushing numbers. I might've missed them, it was in between meetings.
All eyes will be on Riley Leonard week 1 of the season. Kid has all the physical talent in the world with great size. This is his opportunity to make a statement and end his college career strong and propel a super ND 2024 season.
 

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All eyes will be on Riley Leonard week 1 of the season. Kid has all the physical talent in the world with great size. This is his opportunity to make a statement and end his college career strong and propel a super ND 2024 season.

Truthfully all eyes will be on the entire team and Freeman’s leadership. Again it’s a no win situation. If we win A&M is in a year where they are transitioning and if we lose it sets the team back and A&M gets praise when they aren’t worth it. Typical ND season.
 

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First game of the season the last 2 years NDs D played extremely well. It's the lack of an O (maybe Freeman's involvement with the O was to blame?) that negatively impacted the game. Hoping with Denbrock, Freeman can let go and allow the O to be less conservative, be creative, explosive, and score some points.
 

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First game of the season the last 2 years NDs D played extremely well. It's the lack of an O (maybe Freeman's involvement with the O was to blame?) that negatively impacted the game. Hoping with Denbrock, Freeman can let go and allow the O to be less conservative, be creative, explosive, and score some points.
I would expect MF’s trust level with Denbrock is substantially higher, especially compared to 2023. It should put MF in a much better position to make game decisions when he can really lean on Denbrock (and of course Golden for D).
 

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The last 2 years? Y'all really complaining about the Navy beatdown 42-3 ?
 

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Denbrock will not have Daniels and Nabers, but his concepts are going to be better than what we've seen in a very long time. The use of motion, play action, etc. You're going to get it all, or at worst whatever he feels his offensive pieces are capable of. He's smart enough to adjust to his roster, too, and being that ND has a tight end room that is still pretty damn good I'm curious to see how he deploys the fleet.

I'm excited about the season, but mostly the next game. Just go down there and get the dub. It isn't a beauty pageant, either, so just have one point more than them at the end when the clock hits zero.
 

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Truthfully all eyes will be on the entire team and Freeman’s leadership. Again it’s a no win situation. If we win A&M is in a year where they are transitioning and if we lose it sets the team back and A&M gets praise when they aren’t worth it. Typical ND season.
It's NOT a no win situation. Winning at A&M would be huge as a season opener with the attention on the game. A win our program needs wayyy more than A&M. It would put us in the drivers seat for a CFP home game.
 

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It's NOT a no win situation. Winning at A&M would be huge as a season opener with the attention on the game. A win our program needs wayyy more than A&M. It would put us in the drivers seat for a CFP home game.
It will provide a lot of credibility, because for some odd reason, A&M has always been thought of by the media as an upper level team even though their resume says otherwise. They've been riding the coattails of Johnny Footballs two seasons way too long.
 

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With our schedule, 10-2 really might not get it done this year. SOS matters, and we won't have the CCG weekend to add a resume booster obviously.

If the two losses are FSU AND TA&M, you can absolutely forget about it.

I really do look at A&M as a must win. I might be oversimplifying it, but if we don't beat A&M with all the firepower we have on this team, we likely aren't a playoff team, anyways.
 

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With our schedule, 10-2 really might not get it done this year. SOS matters, and we won't have the CCG weekend to add a resume booster obviously.

If the two losses are FSU AND TA&M, you can absolutely forget about it.

I really do look at A&M as a must win. I might be oversimplifying it, but if we don't beat A&M with all the firepower we have on this team, we likely aren't a playoff team, anyways.

I agree. There's very little room for error. Excluding our game, just looking at Texas A&M's schedule, I'm seeing at least 2 or 3 losses between the following: @Florida, Missouri, LSU, @ South Carolina, @ Auburn, Texas. Point being, I don't think they'll be in the mix for the SEC or College Football Playoffs. Just glancing at last year's schedule, they finished 4th in the SEC West last year at 7-6. They appear to have been competitive in most of their losses except for Miami and LSU, but this is an absolute must win. The media and pundits are high on Notre Dame this year, and rightfully so. We've got a lot of great talent coming back. We've got a ton of experience. We simply cannot start the season 0-1.
 
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but if we don't beat A&M with all the firepower we have on this team, we likely aren't a playoff team, anyways.
That's exactly where I'm at too

Based upon all the hype this team is getting from The Beat and also the reported early returns on Collins, I expect nothing but domination

With all the additions made in the offseason and all the money shelled out for Denbrock and retaining Golden--it's no more excuses time

When we get the ball for the first time on offense I'm going to stand in front of my TV, raise my hands in the air, and scream "RELEASE THE KRAKEN" at the top of my lungs. Then I expect Love to take a slip screen 65yds to the house

A&M and their crowd will definitely be hyped but this is the exact type of game/environment I could envision an elite playoff team go into and dominate from wire to wire and make a statement to the rest of the country

And I agree it would be a huge boon if we win because in actuality this particular A&M team probably isn't great but their program in general does have a lot of street cred with the media and importantly recruits

This is a MUST win game
 

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That's exactly where I'm at too

Based upon all the hype this team is getting from The Beat and also the reported early returns on Collins, I expect nothing but domination

With all the additions made in the offseason and all the money shelled out for Denbrock and retaining Golden--it's no more excuses time

When we get the ball for the first time on offense I'm going to stand in front of my TV, raise my hands in the air, and scream "RELEASE THE KRAKEN" at the top of my lungs. Then I expect Love to take a slip screen 65yds to the house

A&M and their crowd will definitely be hyped but this is the exact type of game/environment I could envision an elite playoff team go into and dominate from wire to wire and make a statement to the rest of the country

And I agree it would be a huge boon if we win because in actuality this particular A&M team probably isn't great but their program in general does have a lot of street cred with the media and importantly recruits

This is a MUST win game
Lmao, dominate?? You’re running a mediocre QB behind a shit o line against what will end up being a top 3 defensive line in the country, against one of the best defensive minded coaches in the country.

You’re D line is full of undersized white catholic kids that you guys are always obsessed with, but always end up getting pummeled when they play big boys. You talk about A&M having street cred despite the fact that your program is annually ranked in the top 10 despite getting ass raped every year by legitimate talent, catholic priest style.
 

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Lmao, dominate?? You’re running a mediocre QB behind a shit o line against what will end up being a top 3 defensive line in the country, against one of the best defensive minded coaches in the country.

You’re D line is full of undersized white catholic kids that you guys are always obsessed with, but always end up getting pummeled when they play big boys. You talk about A&M having street cred despite the fact that your program is annually ranked in the top 10 despite getting ass raped every year by legitimate talent, catholic priest style.
Coming in hot! Your stay here will be short. No need to debate a troll but I am not overlooking A&M and most here are not either.
 

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Lmao, dominate?? You’re running a mediocre QB behind a shit o line against what will end up being a top 3 defensive line in the country, against one of the best defensive minded coaches in the country.

You’re D line is full of undersized white catholic kids that you guys are always obsessed with, but always end up getting pummeled when they play big boys. You talk about A&M having street cred despite the fact that your program is annually ranked in the top 10 despite getting ass raped every year by legitimate talent, catholic priest style.
Hurr durr.
 

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Lmao, dominate?? You’re running a mediocre QB behind a shit o line against what will end up being a top 3 defensive line in the country, against one of the best defensive minded coaches in the country.

You’re D line is full of undersized white catholic kids that you guys are always obsessed with, but always end up getting pummeled when they play big boys. You talk about A&M having street cred despite the fact that your program is annually ranked in the top 10 despite getting ass raped every year by legitimate talent, catholic priest style.
That Jimbo Fisher experiment still stings doesn’t it?
 

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Lmao, dominate?? You’re running a mediocre QB behind a shit o line against what will end up being a top 3 defensive line in the country, against one of the best defensive minded coaches in the country.

You’re D line is full of undersized white catholic kids that you guys are always obsessed with, but always end up getting pummeled when they play big boys. You talk about A&M having street cred despite the fact that your program is annually ranked in the top 10 despite getting ass raped every year by legitimate talent, catholic priest style.
I got to use the report button!
 

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Lmao, dominate?? You’re running a mediocre QB behind a shit o line against what will end up being a top 3 defensive line in the country, against one of the best defensive minded coaches in the country.

You’re D line is full of undersized white catholic kids that you guys are always obsessed with, but always end up getting pummeled when they play big boys. You talk about A&M having street cred despite the fact that your program is annually ranked in the top 10 despite getting ass raped every year by legitimate talent, catholic priest style.
No one is afraid of your freak show little brother of a Texas program, hillbilly
 
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