I mean Alabama has been able to achieve a 93% graduation rate. I can't speak to the actual quality of the education that they receive as football players at Alabama, but still, getting a degree is something that those players will be able to have with them for the rest of their lives and is a huge hurdle to get through. 41% is such a damn disservice to the men you're leading as a coach.
Just stop with this--it's so played out at this point
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After scouring the Twitter comments, it sounds like players that transferred out or left early to the NFL do not count against graduation rates.
It still is clearly different than a professional league though. In case you forgot what it was like to be 18-22, you are still not forming as a person. And the head football coach is the leader of those men, and leaders should take responsibility to develop the people they are in charge of. Does it really matter to me as an officer in the navy to take interest in the social lives of my sailors beneath me and advise them on relationships, educational opportunities, and hobbies? Yes, because I care more about the 3 years that they’ll be serving in my formation and have a duty to help them grow professionally and non professionally. When young men underneath you have the opportunity for a life changing opportunity of getting a college degree and 60% of them are squandering it, that is telling. That doesn’t mean the players don’t share that responsibility as well, but Kirby should be doing better.
It's bad we whiffed on our WRs but there is a solid chance that many of the top kids at the position this year simply aren't even takes for ND.
I agree with your general sentiment and you sound like a very good leader that goes above and beyond
That's what I'm sayin'! Feels like some schools are fudgin' some numbers.
My adult reasoning goes…having been well aware of haw law school rankings pretend work…
At this point, as long as it’s respectable, I agree. I’ll trade the impeccable grad rate for championships. And ND fans and alums puffing their chests out over graduation rates is cringeworthy.
I wouldn't put Michigan on equal footing with us. Maybe for non-athletes, but they actively push athletes into joke majors. Even Harbaugh admitted it when he was at Stanford. We've got a ton of players in the business school, the occasional engineer like Tranquil, and even some pre-meds here and there.
Schools that graduate their players at a high rate DO talk about it. Those who don't, don't. That's not surprising.
Just because a school has a high undergrad "ranking," or prestigious grad/professional schools does not mean it has high grad rates. The issue is whether the athletes are held to any sort of academic standard, both in admission and when they are in school.
Yes there's some feel-good fuzzy-wuzzies for alums, but I guess I've always viewed athletic scholarships mainly as a form of enticement/compensation for student-athletes to come to your school. "We think you are good enough at this sport that we want to offer you this great opportunity, and in exchange for four years of your labor on the field we'll help you make the most of it."
This is correct. I was saying historically like when it first started it was simply advertising for enrollment.
I agree, but what do we really know about what goes on at other schools? Obviously, you’ve got players out there that likely wouldn’t get into any 4-year traditional school, but they can run a 4.3 and an “exception” is made. I get it. Football, basketball, and such is the ticket out for them. Good for the school; good for the player.
I agree. One thing to consider now, post-COVID; is that most schools don’t require their student-athletes to physically attend class. They can simply turn on their Zoom & at least appear to be engaged. Freeman had to clarify a few years ago when he stated “ND athletes have to actually attend class”. A lot of non-ND folks took offense but he was speaking of the fact that ND made them physically attend the class vs others that permit online attendance.
I was there around the same time and would certainly concur. Most football players were not getting through admissions without football.
Agreed. Coincidentally both Elko & Freeman are entering their 3rd season as first-time college football head coaches. Main difference, IMO; is Elko is in his 1st year at a new program. If ND loses (regardless of reasons), I can see this board making it a referendum on Freeman…fair or not.
