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Crazy Balki said:
I mean, that's not super surprising.

Miami's the home team, and has the experienced QB. I do think they're being overrated by a good amount. I'm not a believer in Beck, I think their OL isn't as elite as some make it out to be (they have some great tackles, but I don't think they're that good guard to guard), and I think there's way too many moving pieces on defense to expect them to be significantly better game 1.

The difference in the level of talent between ND and Miami will be noticeable on the 31st.
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Hey, Miami fan here. I also think we're being a bit overrated. A lot of our success, or lack thereof, will depend mostly on a ton of young talent (1st and 2nd year players). While I don't think Beck is the best QB I believe he will benefit just like Cam Ward did from a better OL and offensive coordinator...Mike Bobo is terrible. I can assure you that we have one of the best OL in the country and its been that way since Mario was hired; that's one position he and OL coach Alex Mirabal knows how to coach well.

You guys are better coached but the talent isn't that far apart except for a few positions -- RB, DB, and backup QB.
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Wait, Hetherwoman only coached Minnesota for one season and was at Rutgers before that? Also learned that according to Brian Smith, it wasn’t talent as to why their secondary was garbage, it was lack of cohesiveness. And all they did was add a DC who had one good year and added a bunch of transfers to help with cohesion lol. ND by 20
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That's incorrect and doesn't make sense. Everyone besides the two DT and two safeties returned/started on defense. The reason the secondary struggled last year was because the talent was bad and the DC made the playbook more difficult, instead of simplifying it; that's from a player who started the year before and speaks with current players. We were often misaligned, confused in the secondary, and stunting for no reason whatsoever. Go and watch any game from last year and notice how many times everyone on D panicked as soon as a player on offense went into motion lol. It's literally the worst defense in the school's history. The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
 
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Canesfan:) said:
Hey, Miami fan here. I also think we're being a bit overrated. A lot of our success, or lack thereof, will depend mostly on a ton of young talent (1st and 2nd year players). While I don't think Beck is the best QB I believe he will benefit just like Cam Ward did from a better OL and offensive coordinator...Mike Bobo is terrible. I can assure you that we have one of the best OL in the country and its been that way since Mario was hired; that's one position he and OL coach Alex Mirabal knows how to coach well.

You guys are better coached but the talent isn't that far apart except for a few positions -- RB, DB, and backup QB.

That's incorrect and doesn't make sense. Everyone besides the two DT and two safeties returned/started on defense. The reason the secondary struggled last year was because the talent was bad and the DC made the playbook more difficult, instead of simplifying it; that's from a player who started the year before and speaks with current players. We were often misaligned, confused in the secondary, and stunting for no reason whatsoever. Go and watch any game from last year and notice how many times everyone on D panicked as soon as a player on offense went into motion lol. It's literally the worst defense in the school's history. The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
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Neither Lucas or Brantley are starting?
 
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Crazy Balki said:
I mean, that's not super surprising.

Miami's the home team, and has the experienced QB. I do think they're being overrated by a good amount. I'm not a believer in Beck, I think their OL isn't as elite as some make it out to be (they have some great tackles, but I don't think they're that good guard to guard), and I think there's way too many moving pieces on defense to expect them to be significantly better game 1.

The difference in the level of talent between ND and Miami will be noticeable on the 31st.
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This is the biggest factor to me. Does Miami have a good offensive line. Sure. But who was the best offense they faced last year? It was VT who was ranked 57th overall. Do they have a good defensive line? Sure. But they got gashed on the ground by VT and GT. I’m tired of inflated stats against trash conference opponents. Not a single ranked win last year.
 
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Hey, Miami fan here. I also think we're being a bit overrated. A lot of our success, or lack thereof, will depend mostly on a ton of young talent (1st and 2nd year players). While I don't think Beck is the best QB I believe he will benefit just like Cam Ward did from a better OL and offensive coordinator...Mike Bobo is terrible. I can assure you that we have one of the best OL in the country and its been that way since Mario was hired; that's one position he and OL coach Alex Mirabal knows how to coach well.

You guys are better coached but the talent isn't that far apart except for a few positions -- RB, DB, and backup QB.

That's incorrect and doesn't make sense. Everyone besides the two DT and two safeties returned/started on defense. The reason the secondary struggled last year was because the talent was bad and the DC made the playbook more difficult, instead of simplifying it; that's from a player who started the year before and speaks with current players. We were often misaligned, confused in the secondary, and stunting for no reason whatsoever. Go and watch any game from last year and notice how many times everyone on D panicked as soon as a player on offense went into motion lol. It's literally the worst defense in the school's history. The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
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So your players are dumb??? Williams, Brown and Powell were all four stars. Thinking you can take players from Wisconsin, Rutgers etc and placing them in a starting lineup and think the entire unit will gel and succeed than go buy some ocean front property in Arizona.
 
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GoldenBoy3 said:
This is the biggest factor to me. Does Miami have a good offensive line. Sure. But who was the best offense they faced last year? It was VT who was ranked 57th overall. Do they have a good defensive line? Sure. But they got gashed on the ground by VT and GT. I’m tired of inflated stats against trash conference opponents. Not a single ranked win last year.
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Oh, it's worse than that. Miami hasn't beaten a team who finished the season ranked since 2021.
 
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Canesfan:) said:
Hey, Miami fan here. I also think we're being a bit overrated. A lot of our success, or lack thereof, will depend mostly on a ton of young talent (1st and 2nd year players). While I don't think Beck is the best QB I believe he will benefit just like Cam Ward did from a better OL and offensive coordinator...Mike Bobo is terrible. I can assure you that we have one of the best OL in the country and its been that way since Mario was hired; that's one position he and OL coach Alex Mirabal knows how to coach well.

You guys are better coached but the talent isn't that far apart except for a few positions -- RB, DB, and backup QB.

That's incorrect and doesn't make sense. Everyone besides the two DT and two safeties returned/started on defense. The reason the secondary struggled last year was because the talent was bad and the DC made the playbook more difficult, instead of simplifying it; that's from a player who started the year before and speaks with current players. We were often misaligned, confused in the secondary, and stunting for no reason whatsoever. Go and watch any game from last year and notice how many times everyone on D panicked as soon as a player on offense went into motion lol. It's literally the worst defense in the school's history. The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
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Let me start by saying, welcome and I appreciate your insight.

I'm not a Mike Bobo fan, but the notion that Georgia had a terrible OL is just flat out not true.

I think Miami has better tackles, but Georgia had much better guards and centers. Their three interior guys all went in the 2nd or 3rd round. Ratledge was a 1st team All-American. Fairchild and Wilson were 2nd team All-SEC.

No question, Mauigoa and Bell are two very impressive tackles. Definitely better than Greene and Freeling. But there's more to an OL than just 2 guys. And let's be real. Miami was not tested against anything close to resembling a quality defense.

Miami played 2 defenses ranked in the top 40 of defensive FEI. Florida and Duke. And let's be real, Florida in week 1 wasn't anywhere close to what Florida was in the final 4 games of the year. Duke padded their stats and then got exposed in the worst way against Ole Miss and Jaxson Dart. And it wasn't like the Miami game, where the Canes had to score 21 4th quarter points to secure the game. Ole Miss was up 38-7 going into the final quarter. That game was O-V-E-R.

And Georgia's issues were't just play calling. They were that Beck was prone to make a lot of bonehead plays. Yes, there were some drops, but Beck was far from a non-issue for Georgia. He was carried hard in 2023 by having the two most reliable receiving options imaginable in Brock Bowers and Ladd McConkey. Very unlikely he has those available in South Beach.
 
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GoldenBoy3 said:
So your players are dumb??? Williams, Brown and Powell were all four stars. Thinking you can take players from Wisconsin, Rutgers etc and placing them in a starting lineup and think the entire unit will gel and succeed than go buy some ocean front property in Arizona.
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To be fair, we've definitely seen what can happen despite talented players when a DC makes a scheme too complicated. If the new guy is simplifying things, great for them. But yeah it probably takes any unit with a bunch of transfers a few games to get up to speed. Same with the offense. Miami's passing game doesn't scare me near as much as our running game should scare Miami.
 
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Canesfan:) said:
Hey, Miami fan here. I also think we're being a bit overrated. A lot of our success, or lack thereof, will depend mostly on a ton of young talent (1st and 2nd year players). While I don't think Beck is the best QB I believe he will benefit just like Cam Ward did from a better OL and offensive coordinator...Mike Bobo is terrible. I can assure you that we have one of the best OL in the country and its been that way since Mario was hired; that's one position he and OL coach Alex Mirabal knows how to coach well.

You guys are better coached but the talent isn't that far apart except for a few positions -- RB, DB, and backup QB.

That's incorrect and doesn't make sense. Everyone besides the two DT and two safeties returned/started on defense. The reason the secondary struggled last year was because the talent was bad and the DC made the playbook more difficult, instead of simplifying it; that's from a player who started the year before and speaks with current players. We were often misaligned, confused in the secondary, and stunting for no reason whatsoever. Go and watch any game from last year and notice how many times everyone on D panicked as soon as a player on offense went into motion lol. It's literally the worst defense in the school's history. The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
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Disregard the disrespectful posters. Many of us enjoy having fans from the other team to discuss matchups. Appreciate your input.

RB: agree that we probably have the best top end talent but the stats from last year show a couple young RBs that are pretty potent. I have respect for Miami's ground game. Especially if the OL is as good as reputed.

DB: 100% agree. We have been spoiled as fans as we used to beg for a top 25 CB. If all of your transfers gel and work seamlessly together and have zero acclimation period, I'd still take our secondary but we lost a great safety. Word is that we have a good group back there but we gotta see it.

Curious your thoughts on LB? We have a 2 players who I believe were in the top 10-15 of PFF grading (can someone fact check this?) and the 4 who'll be in rotation are all considered very, very good to potentially elite. How do Miami's LBs stack up? Are they assignment sound? Hyper athletic? Traditional thumpers in the middle?

DEs: How do you feel about your end play? Most of us expect our interior OL to be a strength until proven otherwise. Our LT is still only a true sophomore and a bit undersized. Do you have any long, twitchy DEs who can long-arm or beat with an elite first step? As it pertains to ND, we're pretty high on our group but we need to see it. Most believe Bryce Young will be a known name by opposing fans. He's a monster. Boubacar Traore is returning from injury but represents our 'twitchiest' DE. There are others who'll play big mins but those two are the flashiest.

Which offensive weapon do you think is the "go-to" player coming out of camp?
 
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Working in kitchens for so many years corn starch was free and readily available lol.
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Corn starch is the way to go. Talcum powder has been shown to create health problems. I think most baby products are now corn starch.
 
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Canesfan:) said:
Hey, Miami fan here. I also think we're being a bit overrated. A lot of our success, or lack thereof, will depend mostly on a ton of young talent (1st and 2nd year players). While I don't think Beck is the best QB I believe he will benefit just like Cam Ward did from a better OL and offensive coordinator...Mike Bobo is terrible. I can assure you that we have one of the best OL in the country and its been that way since Mario was hired; that's one position he and OL coach Alex Mirabal knows how to coach well.

You guys are better coached but the talent isn't that far apart except for a few positions -- RB, DB, and backup QB.

That's incorrect and doesn't make sense. Everyone besides the two DT and two safeties returned/started on defense. The reason the secondary struggled last year was because the talent was bad and the DC made the playbook more difficult, instead of simplifying it; that's from a player who started the year before and speaks with current players. We were often misaligned, confused in the secondary, and stunting for no reason whatsoever. Go and watch any game from last year and notice how many times everyone on D panicked as soon as a player on offense went into motion lol. It's literally the worst defense in the school's history. The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
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Welcome.

To me, the key to this game is can the UM D play without mistakes? Denbrock is pretty good at identifying areas to attack and given it's the first game, I expect there to be a few missed assignments he can exploit.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Let me start by saying, welcome and I appreciate your insight.

I'm not a Mike Bobo fan, but the notion that Georgia had a terrible OL is just flat out not true.

I think Miami has better tackles, but Georgia had much better guards and centers. Their three interior guys all went in the 2nd or 3rd round. Ratledge was a 1st team All-American. Fairchild and Wilson were 2nd team All-SEC.

No question, Mauigoa and Bell are two very impressive tackles. Definitely better than Greene and Freeling. But there's more to an OL than just 2 guys. And let's be real. Miami was not tested against anything close to resembling a quality defense.

Miami played 2 defenses ranked in the top 40 of defensive FEI. Florida and Duke. And let's be real, Florida in week 1 wasn't anywhere close to what Florida was in the final 4 games of the year. Duke padded their stats and then got exposed in the worst way against Ole Miss and Jaxson Dart. And it wasn't like the Miami game, where the Canes had to score 21 4th quarter points to secure the game. Ole Miss was up 38-7 going into the final quarter. That game was O-V-E-R.

And Georgia's issues were't just play calling. They were that Beck was prone to make a lot of bonehead plays. Yes, there were some drops, but Beck was far from a non-issue for Georgia. He was carried hard in 2023 by having the two most reliable receiving options imaginable in Brock Bowers and Ladd McConkey. Very unlikely he has those available in South Beach.
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Thank you for your kindness.

I believe they had also a more experienced interior as well. Not trying to be cocky but the "they weren't challenged" mantra hasn't worked out too well for past opponents, namely Florida last year and the Texas A&M DL filled with 5* (two 1st rounders and a 2nd) the year before.

"Some"drops? UGA led the nation in drops which accounted for almost 700 yards.

We shall see about the weapons. A stat that is always confusing and a bit funny to me, McConkey only had 30 receptions for 478 yards and 2 TDs in 2023. The way folks talk about Beck’s receivers that year I always assumed he had at least double the receptions and yards.
 
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Canesfan:) said:
A stat that is always confusing and a bit funny to me, McConkey only had 30 receptions for 478 yards and 2 TDs in 2023. The way folks talk about Beck’s receivers that year I always assumed he had at least double the receptions and yards.
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Well he was hurt most of the year. McConkey was a 2nd round pick and is now WR1 in the NFL. Bowers was a 1st round pick and is now, essentially a WR1 in the NFL. Lovett was a 7th round pick. 3 NFL targets, 2 of which were leading pass catchers for NFL teams as rookies is pretty elite tools.


OL also had a 1st, a 2nd, two 3rds, and 5th on it.

That’s 2019 Burrow-esque supporting cast.
 
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Canesfan:) said:
The early reviews on Heatherman and the transfers DBs (bottom 2 unit by most after fall camp last year is now viewed as a strength) have been great so far but we'll see.
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Carson Beck struggling mightily in Fall Camp, confirmed.

Kidding, thanks for the insights. Always welcome (rationale) opposing fan's posters here. Welcome to IE!
 
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Irish#1 said:
Corn starch is the way to go. Talcum powder has been shown to create health problems. I think most baby products are now corn starch.
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That just applies to SC fans as they all have ovaries. I think we are all safe.
 
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