Another Shooting

[Legacy]

From the Get your Gun thread.

from: no.1IrishFan
I was just about to post something similar.

If I decide I want a new AR, I can walk into a store, sign a form, hand someone money, and have it strapped to my body, locked and loaded walking thru the streets of downtown Phoenix in about 10 min.

If the gun show is in town or you buy it from a personal seller, you can scrap the background check and expedite the process even more.

Las Vegas shooting: This is what investigators found in Stephen Paddock's hotel room

 

[connor_in]

Parkland shooter's name and video making the rounds in the news.
Personally I think this is stupid. Report on it that it exists fine, but keep his name out of it, fuzz out the face, or better yet don't play it at all. Why give him the fame and publicity?

 

[drayer54]

Parkland shooter's name and video making the rounds in the news.
Personally I think this is stupid. Report on it that it exists fine, but keep his name out of it, fuzz out the face, or better yet don't play it at all. Why give him the fame and publicity?

Because that’s what he wanted. That’s why another loner who wants to go viral will do it. Media cares more about the clicks and ratings than doing the right thing and censoring their names.

 

[ulukinatme]

Parkland shooter's name and video making the rounds in the news.
Personally I think this is stupid. Report on it that it exists fine, but keep his name out of it, fuzz out the face, or better yet don't play it at all. Why give him the fame and publicity?

I agree with this, especially the content of the video. The kid actually brags on the video that he's going to be the next "famous school shooter." Don't give him that courtesy. Make him anonymous, blur his face, quit providing them a legacy and a platform.

 

[Irish YJ]

I agree with this, especially the content of the video. The kid actually brags on the video that he's going to be the next "famous school shooter." Don't give him that courtesy. Make him anonymous, blur his face, quit providing them a legacy and a platform.

Social media, and media at it's best..... Bigger problem IMO than guns.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Social media, and media at it's best..... Bigger problem IMO than guns.

I tend to agree with you strongly on this. 40 years ago when I was a teen, we had as much, if not more, access to guns and yet there weren't half the problems as today, nor any school shootings like today. Social media and the 24 hour news cycle fan the flames, provide a platform/encouragement for these anti-social types, and turn them into celebrities.

 

[Irish YJ]

I tend to agree with you strongly on this. 40 years ago when I was a teen, we had as much, if not more, access to guns and yet there weren't half the problems as today, nor any school shootings like today. Social media and the 24 hour news cycle fan the flames, provide a platform/encouragement for these anti-social types, and turn them into celebrities.

There were guns in just about every house I frequented as a child. My parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, friends, etc.. I/we as children knew where they were at, and they weren't in gun safes. They were in drawers, between the mattresses, etc.. We respected things though. We rarely crossed a line like that. That's not the case today. Parents don't parent these days, and today's society rewards sensationalism and individuality. Even if it's bad.

 

[loomis41973]

Because that’s what he wanted. That’s why another loner who wants to go viral will do it. Media cares more about the clicks and ratings than doing the right thing and censoring their names.

Been saying this for years now.

 

[loomis41973]

Social media, and media at it's best..... Bigger problem IMO than guns.

For sure.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The media is providing content that the viewer craves. We as a society not only can't look away from a train wreck, we become enthralled with it. Combine that with today's insta-famous aspirations via YouTube, MTV Jackass, etc and a dash of failure to enforce even the most basic gun laws currently on the books and it's a recipe for disaster. Two things can be true at the same time.

 

[NorthDakota]

Not going to lie, I watched the video. Kid was definitely not very bright, was pretty creepy to hear him talk about the body count he wanted to get very casually.

 

[Legacy]

Boulder gun-rights rally draws 'respectful conversation,' no citations for open-carry violations (Boulder Daily Camera)

Police allow demonstrators to carry rifles if they have concealed-carry permits

Pro-gun demonstrators again congregated in downtown Boulder on Saturday afternoon as time runs out before a city ordinance banning the sale and possession of numerous kinds of semi-automatic weapons goes into effect.

And while AR-15-style rifles again were on display — just like they were at previous rally this past April — Boulder police said those gun owners were in compliance with the law.

The Boulder City Council in May unanimously passed an ordinance that prohibits the sale and possession of assault weapons, as defined by the city. Also outlawed are high-capacity magazines and bump stocks. It takes effect Friday, and already has prompted a lawsuit against the city.

 

[Legacy]

Guns and America: How Much Do You Know? (NYT)

13 Questons. Got 11.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-idaho-stabbings/nine-wounded-by-knife-wielding-man-at-idaho-apartments-housing-refugees-idUSKBN1JR1NY

Nine wounded by knife-wielding man

 

[drayer54]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-idaho-stabbings/nine-wounded-by-knife-wielding-man-at-idaho-apartments-housing-refugees-idUSKBN1JR1NY

Nine wounded by knife-wielding man

 

[BGIF]

Guns and America: How Much Do You Know? (NYT)

13 Questons. Got 11.

12, Missed the number of NRA members.

Sorry honey! (Mrs. BGIF is a NRA member)

 

[IrishLax]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-people-reported-shot-maryland-newspaper-office-n887526

Don't know how many people followed this shooting last week, but one of the victims -- Rob Hiaasen -- is related to my wife. His funeral was today. Weird as hell watching the news and seeing people you've met giving eulogies over a mass shooting.

The shooter was apparently someone with a grudge against the paper for a profile they did on him years ago where they covered his targeted harassment of a woman and subsequent criminal conviction. No idea if the gun he used was purchased legally or whether someone with his background was allowed to buy a gun in Maryland.

 

[IrishLax]

12, Missed the number of NRA members.

Sorry honey! (Mrs. BGIF is a NRA member)

7 out of 13 for me.

 

[drayer54]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-people-reported-shot-maryland-newspaper-office-n887526

Don't know how many people followed this shooting last week, but one of the victims -- Rob Hiaasen -- is related to my wife. His funeral was today. Weird as hell watching the news and seeing people you've met giving eulogies over a mass shooting.

The shooter was apparently someone with a grudge against the paper for a profile they did on him years ago where they covered his targeted harassment of a woman and subsequent criminal conviction. No idea if the gun he used was purchased legally or whether someone with his background was allowed to buy a gun in Maryland.

His prior offenses were misdemeanors and the gun was purchased legally. Maryland is one of the few Giffords friendly states that has a 'Red Flag Law' to disarm potentially dangerous candidates.

 

[Irish YJ]

His prior offenses were misdemeanors and the gun was purchased legally. Maryland is one of the few Giffords friendly states that has a 'Red Flag Law' to disarm potentially dangerous candidates.

You just know the left was hoping for the gun to be illegal. It would have been non-stop...

 

[drayer54]

You just know the left was hoping for the gun to be illegal. It would have been non-stop...

It's worse for the anti's when the gun is illegal because it is even more proof that gun control doesn't work nor does it matter to a criminal. The laws didn't work...

When the guy legally gets the gun, then the problem is that they didn't have enough barriers. Regardless of how many there were. in this case, his prior offenses were misdemeanors and not severe enough to the state for him to lose his weapons.

Regardless of how many laws were broken, the scenario could have been prevented if we had just one more law.

 

[Irish YJ]

It's worse for the anti's when the gun is illegal because it is even more proof that gun control doesn't work nor does it matter to a criminal. The laws didn't work...

When the guy legally gets the gun, then the problem is that they didn't have enough barriers. Regardless of how many there were. in this case, his prior offenses were misdemeanors and not severe enough to the state for him to lose his weapons.

Regardless of how many laws were broken, the scenario could have been prevented if we had just one more law.

it depends. if purchased legally (background checks, Ts crossed, Is dotted), it shows regardless what you do, some people are just bad.

You and I both know that the left has an excuse either way. If illegally gotten, they say look our system is broken, we need more laws, or we shouldn't have guns at all. If legally gotten, they say the laws aren't enough, or we shouldn't have guns at all.

 

[NorthDakota]

Lefties just get real nervous when there isnt laws in place for every situation

 

[Irish YJ]

Lefties just get real nervous when there isnt laws in place for every situation

Wish they had more laws for email servers and laptops.

 

[Legacy]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-people-reported-shot-maryland-newspaper-office-n887526

Don't know how many people followed this shooting last week, but one of the victims -- Rob Hiaasen -- is related to my wife. His funeral was today. Weird as hell watching the news and seeing people you've met giving eulogies over a mass shooting.

The shooter was apparently someone with a grudge against the paper for a profile they did on him years ago where they covered his targeted harassment of a woman and subsequent criminal conviction. No idea if the gun he used was purchased legally or whether someone with his background was allowed to buy a gun in Maryland.

From the article:

Rob Hiaasen was assistant editor of the Capital Gazette and a native of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. The 59-year-old celebrated his 33rd wedding anniversary last week. He was married to journalist-turned-English-teacher Maria Hiaasen, who turned 58 on Thursday, according to The Sun.

“He was a tall man, 6-foot-5, but he was a giant not just in stature but in character,” his wife told the newspaper. “He was just the best husband.”

In an emailed statement, Maria Hiaasen said: "He did a little birthday dance for me this morning before work (Today is my birthday), and he loved being a dad, an editor who helped shape young talent, and a creative writer and humorist."

More about Rob:
Shared by his brother, Carl, on FB

I am devastated and heartsick to confirm the loss of my wonderful brother Rob today in the mass shooting in the newsroom at the Annapolis Capital Gazette. Rob was an editor and columnist at the paper, and one of the most gentle and funny people I've ever known. He spent his whole gifted career as a journalist, and he believed profoundly in the craft and mission of serving the public's right to know the news.
We called him Big Rob because he was so tall, but it was his remarkable heart and humor that made him larger than all of us.
Please keep our family in your thoughts and prayers tonight.
Hug your loved ones like there's no tomorrow.

Capital Gazette shooting victim Rob Hiaasen: A joyful stylist, a generous mentor
(Baltimore Sun)

And by journalist, Mike Canan, also on FB, who was managing editor at Treasure Coast Newspapers, Florida:

I’m not a short man.
I don’t have much meat on my bones, but I’m nearly 6-foot-2.
This guy towered over me. He must have been four inches taller and easily outweighed me by 100 pounds.
Did I mention he had an extensive criminal record?
He glared down at me as we stood in the Stuart News lobby.
“You’re going to tell me who f$&*!#* wrote this about me,” he shouted.
He wanted to know who had written an unbylined “staff report.” The report was about how he had attacked his neighbor after an argument. His real anger was that the report mentioned that this incident happened while he was out on bail on charges of molesting his step daughter.
I don’t recall all of what he said in the 5 to 10 minutes of discussion before this moment. But I know that his threat against this unnamed reporter wasn’t implied. It wasn’t one of those statements that if you take the actual words they aren’t bad, but the tone is menacing.
No, his words were a clear and obvious threat.
I knew who the reporter was. She was our crime reporter. A young woman, in her mid-20s.
I also knew there was no way in hell I was telling this man anything about her.
“Sir,” I looked up and said with as much force as I could muster, “you are threatening my reporter. So even if it was appropriate for me to tell you who wrote this piece, I never would. Now, all of the information in this report came from the police report. I’d be happy to call the police and you can discuss your concerns with them if you’d like. Otherwise, I think you better leave.”
Like most bullies, when I stood up to him he backed down. He claimed he never threatened anyone and left.
Once he walked out the door, I stood there for a moment in shock.
As I watched him walk away, I turned back toward the front desk in the center of the lobby and saw the middle-aged receptionist and a sales manager staring at me with their mouths open.
“You can go now,” the receptionist told the sales manager.
Turning to me, she said: “He (meaning the sales manager) was just walking through the lobby and I grabbed him and made him stay because I wanted another man here in the lobby in case things went bad. And I also had the phone ready to dial 911.”
In the moment, I didn’t fear for my safety. I just wanted the guy to leave. But seeing the look on their faces, it struck me that I was just in a dangerous situation.
In my journalism career, that’s probably the closest I’ve come to danger. But journalists everywhere face threats, attacks and danger everyday.
As I have transitioned to working in TV newsrooms, I’ve discovered how many stalkers become obsessed with female on-air journalists. One of my co-workers had at least two stalkers (with restraining orders against them both) just in the three years I worked with her.
I have former co-workers who have been embedded in military units, reported in war torn countries and covered the Mexican drug cartels. I know journalists who have faced threats from organized crime.
I sent a reporter to Indonesia. Before she left, we had hours of discussions with risk management because of the proliferation of ISIS in that area of the world. The country was rated as a very high travel risk. It was even more dangerous for western journalists because, as our risk manager told our reporter: “ISIS would love nothing more than to capture you and take video cutting off your head.”
In college, I had Terry Anderson as a professor. He was held captive by Hezbollah from 1985 to 1991. That’s six years of captivity and knowing that at any moment his captors might decide to kill him.
Again in Florida, we used to have a man who would call repeatedly from a mental facility. There was no violence in his tone or words. But he clearly had a level of interest in the paper that wasn’t normal. Who is to say what this unstable person could have done?
All this is to say, that reporters have been targets of violence for years. And the level of obsession with journalists and the institutions they report for can attract people with mental illness.
I know many people are making this about Donald Trump.
But to me, this isn’t about politics.
Yes, our President’s anti-media rhetoric is alarming.
Maybe calling journalists “enemies of the state” emboldened the man accused of killing five at the Capital Gazette. But who knows what actually drove a man with a years-long vendetta to take drastic action.
Regardless of what pushed this man to take five lives and injure others, where we as a country go from here is important.
If you’ve never been a journalist or never worked in a newsroom, you likely don’t understand.
The people who become journalists -- especially those in local newsrooms -- do this because it is a calling.
For the most part, the pay sucks. The hours are long. You probably have to work some (or all) weekends and holidays. The business model is unstable.
And occasionally you might have a splash of danger thrown in.
But the hunger to tell important stories, to make communities better and to hold the powerful accountable drives journalists to do their jobs.
There’s a saying that when everyone else is running away, police and firefighters run toward a burning building.
You know what? So do journalists.
They may not risk their lives to set foot in the burning building. But it is a journalist’s job, in some instances, to talk to people on the worst day of their lives. Sometimes journalists end up with PTSD.
It’s not easy.
But sometimes it’s a journalist’s job to tell the stories of those who lost their lives, to point out changes that could protect others and to remember those who are gone.
It’s even harder when those people lost and remembered were your friends and colleagues. A former co-worker of mine worked at the Capital Gazette for eight years. He posted each of the five obituaries from yesterday’s shooting on Facebook with his own memories of those individuals.
Reading each was like a sucker punch because I saw in those memories, similarities to individuals I used to work with.
Yet through it all the Capital Gazette staff vowed: “We Are Putting Out a Damn Paper Tomorrow.”
And they did.
So no matter which side of the political spectrum you are on, I hope today you take a moment to reflect on the journalists out there who work long hours often for low pay -- and sometimes even risking their lives.
All journalists aren’t perfect. Just as all police officers, firefighters, government officials or teachers aren’t perfect.
But know this: There are journalists are out there working for you, to tell the truth and make your community better.

 

[Irish YJ]

Chicago's interstate I90/94 shut down due to anti-gun protests.
Major Chicago freeway shut down by anti-violence protesters | Fox News

The Rev. Michael Pfleger, a Roman Catholic priest and anti-violence activist on the city's South Side who will lead Saturday's march, said the protesters will carry a banner with a list of demands. They include: more resources, jobs, better schools and stronger gun laws — things Pfleger says they've been seeking for years.

"When people keep ignoring you, you take it up a notch," Pfleger said. "We are going to continue to take it up a notch until we get responses."

Pfleger and the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who's also leading the protest, argue they've already tried marching through neighborhood streets, outside churches and along downtown's Michigan Avenue, and that nothing has changed.

So now they will obstruct transportation. What happens when that doesn't work?

 

[Irish YJ]

Watch: Pistol-packing waitress defends George Webb co-worker during attack
Watch: Pistol-packing waitress defends George Webb co-worker during attack | Fox News

She aint playin'

 

[drayer54]

Watch: Pistol-packing waitress defends George Webb co-worker during attack
Watch: Pistol-packing waitress defends George Webb co-worker during attack | Fox News

She aint playin'

This was the second instance of a woman with a weapons permit and a gun saving lives in over two days that got national attention. An inconvenient reality for the gun-grabbers.

 

[Irish YJ]

This was the second instance of a woman with a weapons permit and a gun saving lives in over two days that got national attention. An inconvenient reality for the gun-grabbers.

doubt you will see any coverage on CNN or MSNBC...

Notice he got out of there in a hurry.... He deserved at minimum one to the shoulder or leg.... . What a coward. Attacking a woman at her job like that. He'll probably sue the restaurant..

 

[Legacy]

So, 3D guns are illegal - to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive any plastic firearm.

ATF - Is a firearm illegal if it is made of plastic?

It is unlawful for any person to produce a firearm as proscribed in 18 U.S.C. 922(p).

 "It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive any firearm—

(A) that, after removal of grips, stocks, and magazines, is not as detectable as the Security Exemplar, by walk-through metal detectors calibrated and operated to detect the Security Exemplar; or

(B) any major component of which, when subjected to inspection by the types of x-ray machines commonly used at airports, does not generate an image that accurately depicts the shape of the component. Barium sulfate or other compounds may be used in the fabrication of the component."

Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, released a statement Tuesday underscoring the larger point made by Trump earlier.

"Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA's support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm."

So this guy Cody Wilson of the company he started Defense Distributed is breaking federal law as he demonstrated a plastic 3D gun he made. His plans were downloaded thousands of times already. He can't in any way be considered law-abiding or be considered a responsible American.

Wait. The NRA spokeswoman, Dana Loesch, seems to be defending him.

"I'm actually talking about what Democrats call, quote unquote, 'ghost guns' and the what the rest of us call freedom and innovation: 3-D printed guns."

She also said 3D-printed guns symbolize “freedom and innovation.” I imagine that the NRA may fund Wilson's court cases. But until those get resolved, charge him with breaking a federal law. As soon as a crime is committed with a plastic gun or their pieces, charge him with abetting a crime. Probably another instance in which the NRA does not represent the overwhelming majority of gun owners and all Americans. This "freedom and innovation" so called "gun rights" individuals and organizations trumpet as defense of 1st and 2nd Amendment is just cover for criminals. What the "rest of us" means to the NRA is anyone who is not a Democrat and anyone else including gun owners who disagree with them.