Another Pointless Brian Kelly Discussion Thread about the NFL

[Rudy89]

After reading many articles where his name is coming up and after a decent season it's time for our annual speculation and discussion on if coach Kelly is leaving. What do you all think post it here!

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I have always thought Kelly considered the ND job as a stepping stone job. He was ready to bolt after the 2012 season. If not for the embarrassingly ill prepared showing against Bama, he would have left. Since then he has been exposed as an average, though competent, coach. He is clearly not elite. I doubt he will receive any offers. As long as he wins 8-9 games per year, we are stuck with him. Given the talent we attract and our schedule, I think winning 8-9 games is within his abilities.

Kelly's biggest problem is his failure to adjust. He thinks what made him successful in GVS and Cincinnati will translate to success* at this level. Even as the blue print was presented to him in 2012, he reverted to his way in 2013, 2014, and to a degree this year. His hire of BVG is another example of his failure to adjust. He is clinging to the old and comfortable.

*By success, I mean competing against elite competition. We haven't come close to competing against the elite.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Go to the Giants or stay here.

 

[Blazers46]

I have always thought Kelly considered the ND job as a stepping stone job. He was ready to bolt after the 2012 season. If not for the embarrassingly ill prepared showing against Bama, he would have left. Since then he has been exposed as an average, though competent, coach. He is clearly not elite. I doubt he will receive any offers. As long as he wins 8-9 games per year, we are stuck with him. Given the talent we attract and our schedule, I think winning 8-9 games is within his abilities.

Kelly's biggest problem is his failure to adjust. He thinks what made him successful in GVS and Cincinnati will translate to success* at this level. Even as the blue print was presented to him in 2012, he reverted to his way in 2013, 2014, and to a degree this year. His hire of BVG is another example of his failure to adjust. He is clinging to the old and comfortable.

*By success, I mean competing against elite competition. We haven't come close to competing against the elite.

I agree with you in the thought that Kelly saw this as a stepping stone. I doubt he will recieve any offers from the NFL but I could see him possibly thinking NDs shortcomings are not because of him and bolting to a new stepping stone in the college ranks if the right job/situation came available. This may not be his thought now but with a few more 9-10 win seasons under his belt he may think he has a better chance of winning elsewhere. ND is a tough place to win 11+ games. If he does leave it would be a lateral move or maybe even a step back. Kelly has had some good seasons and the bad ones people can point the finger at injuries and/or suspensions.

 

[NDPhilly]

This thread is so shitty that it shut down the site for the entire afternoon and night. Good job.

 

[GBdomer]

If he leaves fine, he doesn't owe us anything. ND is a much more desirable job then when he got here. Next coach will have a loaded roster to play with, I want him to stay as much as you do but this thread is beyond pointless.

 

[alohagoirish]

Kelly is now 60 years old----even though he looks very good and energetic 60 is 60. , that longevity is a big reason for his 226 wins. If he goes to the NFL and gets fired after three years ala Chip Kelly he will be pushing 64 and looking to start over again some place in college. That's a discouragingly brutal prospect----go from the winningest coach in college to a failed NFL coach , an older guy looking for another start---ouch!

Kelly can stay here for 5 or 6 more years and retire in comfort as the winningest active coach at 65/66 ---he can easily move to the microphone to keep busy....

The NFL chewed up Chip Kelly--chewed up Steve Spurrier--Chewed up Nick Saban---even Harbaugh who did pretty good coaching there was Chewed up by the power politics and had to flee back to college. ONLY Carrol has gotten it done---he has a good personality for it , a good NFL scheme , a defensive background , and this was his Second try in the league.

Kelly would be a moron to enter the Meat Grinder of NFL coaching and leave what he has here....Say what you want about Kelly but he isn't a moron. He won't be going anywhere!

 

[ThePiombino]

Kelly is now 60 years old----even though he looks very good and energetic 60 is 60. , that longevity is a big reason for his 226 wins. If he goes to the NFL and gets fired after three years ala Chip Kelly he will be pushing 64 and looking to start over again some place in college. That's a discouragingly brutal prospect----go from the winningest coach in college to a failed NFL coach , an older guy looking for another start---ouch!

Kelly can stay here for 5 or 6 more years and retire in comfort as the winningest active coach at 65/66 ---he can easily move to the microphone to keep busy....

The NFL chewed up Chip Kelly--chewed up Steve Spurrier--Chewed up Nick Saban---even Harbaugh who did pretty good coaching there was Chewed up by the power politics and had to flee back to college. ONLY Carrol has gotten it done---he has a good personality for it , a good NFL scheme , a defensive background , and this was his Second try in the league.

Kelly would be a moron to enter the Meat Grinder of NFL coaching and leave what he has here....Say what you want about Kelly but he isn't a moron. He won't be going anywhere!

Are you from the future? Because if not, he is most certainly NOT 60 years old. He's 54 as of October lol

 

[Irish4Life09]

Just my .02- I think Kelly has achieved his pinnacle of accomplishments with our IRISH. He is a good coach, there is no denying that. But he is FAR from Elite, and there's no denying that either.
I would love to throw a bunch of money at an up and coming big time coach like Herman from Houston and see what we could do with that kind of offense.

 

[DillonHall]

Can't we wait until NSD before these awful offseason threads get started?

 

[DillonHall]

Just my .02- I think Kelly has achieved his pinnacle of accomplishments with our IRISH. He is a good coach, there is no denying that. But he is FAR from Elite, and there's no denying that either.
I would love to throw a bunch of money at an up and coming big time coach like Herman from Houston and see what we could do with that kind of offense.

How do you not realize that Brian Kelly was that "up and coming big time coach" with the fancy offense when ND hired him?

 

[Legacy]

After NSD, BK will take a well-deserved vacation with his family and, my sources tell me, he'll be announced as Donald Trump's VP candidate. He's always enjoyed politics and, although he thinks Trump is a pompous ass and bigot, BK views the VP job as a challenge and a stepping stone to the Presidency in 2020. (Trump will be bored after four years.) After POTUS, I am told he'll focus on the Vatican.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Just my .02- I think Kelly has achieved his pinnacle of accomplishments with our IRISH. He is a good coach, there is no denying that. But he is FAR from Elite, and there's no denying that either.
I would love to throw a bunch of money at an up and coming big time coach like Herman from Houston and see what we could do with that kind of offense.

Actually, there is denying that. Your statement is an opinion, and IMO you are stretching. He is not FAR from elite at all. I don't think he's proven to be elite yet, but he has been to the title game, and took a team on its last breath health-wise to the brink of the play-offs, with a completely green redshirt freshman QB who couldn't throw a 5 foot pass accurately just a few months prior. He is "FAR" closer than you give him credit for IMHO.

 

[mgriff]

Man I hope he doesn't leave. We have not done well with head coaches and while it appears Jack will be the one to search for a new one, I don't even want to chance it. We were fucking garbage since Holtz left, and people begged for a proven head coach to grow the brand and deliver consistent, sustained success. We get that and some people want to fucking start all over. We are not getting an Urban, or a Saban, probably ever again. ND has too many challenges that those elite coaches don't want to deal with, and I don't blame them. BK is a great coach and he fits ND well. I am very thankful to have him.

 

[NDRock]

Just my .02- I think Kelly has achieved his pinnacle of accomplishments with our IRISH. He is a good coach, there is no denying that. But he is FAR from Elite, and there's no denying that either.
I would love to throw a bunch of money at an up and coming big time coach like Herman from Houston and see what we could do with that kind of offense.

It's interesting how FAR from elite he is. If Kansas State doesn't lose to a 5-5 Baylor team at the end of 2012, we play them for the National Championship and probably (IMO) beat them. If that happens, Kelly is considered elite and there is a statue of him outside the stadium. Kelly isn't perfect by any means but neither is the newest flavor-of-the-month coach people want here (in this case Herman). Now our DC on the other hand...

 

[Irish#1]

I have always thought Kelly considered the ND job as a stepping stone job. Kelly's biggest problem is his failure to adjust.

From the comments that have been made, he's made it pretty clear he is happy where he is at and the only way he would go to the NFL is if he was given complete control. That's not happening, especially after the Chip Kelly fiasco.

Kelly is now 60 years old----even though he looks very good and energetic 60 is 60.

BK isn't 60, but being 60 doesn't mean you're ready for the pasture or even slowing down. You'll get it when you finally reach 60.

Actually, there is denying that. Your statement is an opinion, and IMO you are stretching. He is not FAR from elite at all. I don't think he's proven to be elite yet, but he has been to the title game, and took a team on its last breath health-wise to the brink of the play-offs, with a completely green redshirt freshman QB who couldn't throw a 5 foot pass accurately just a few months prior. He is "FAR" closer than you give him credit for IMHO.

Let's not let facts get in the way.

 

[Booslum31]

Can't we wait until NSD before these awful offseason threads get started?

I'm in this camp.

 

[johnnycando]

Actually, there is denying that. Your statement is an opinion, and IMO you are stretching. He is not FAR from elite at all. I don't think he's proven to be elite yet, but he has been to the title game, and took a team on its last breath health-wise to the brink of the play-offs, with a completely green redshirt freshman QB who couldn't throw a 5 foot pass accurately just a few months prior. He is "FAR" closer than you give him credit for IMHO.

Well written.

Agreed.

 

[phork]

I think Kelly has done wonders to this program his elite status remains "Outcome hazy" but I think he is the best man for this job right now.

You are insane to think that the Urbans, the Chips, the Sabans etc would even set foot at ND with the super tight restrictions placed on this program. I can't imagine Kelly's frustrations. Guys do more at other schools and don't get suspended and man you miss curfew at ND you are missing the biggest game for ND in years.

Its tough to win in consistently in college football. Its even harder to win consistently at ND. What we as fans have to do is temper our expectations. 10 wins a year should be the norm going forward. Yah there will be a down year but there will also be those years ND stretches to 11 or 12 wins and makes a playoff. It is now easier to setup yourself with a chance at NC by expanding to 4 teams, not easier to get or win a NC by any means. Like baseball just make it to the playoffs and anything can happen.

This year was a surprise year, no one was expecting such a great season. Even after all the injuries ND was still in the playoff talk going into game 12. Everyone expected next year to be the year. But with success comes the NFL and sending a bunch of guys to the show only advances the recruiting tools for Kelly.

Frankly I don't see his act translating well to the NFL. You can get all purplely faced to college kids who aren't on the payroll but try that shit with a $20million dollar guy. Ain't happening.

 

[kmoose]

Are you from the future? Because if not, he is most certainly NOT 60 years old. He's 54 as of October lol

No wonder he looks so good for a 60 year old!

 

[NDgradstudent]

It is now easier to setup yourself with a chance at NC by expanding to 4 teams, not easier to get or win a NC by any means.

What is the difference between "setting yourself up with a chance at a NC" and getting into the playoff? It's not easier for ND to get into the playoff- we have to be undefeated to get in. Same as the BCS.

 

[NDohio]

I think Kelly has done wonders to this program his elite status remains "Outcome hazy" but I think he is the best man for this job right now.

You are insane to think that the Urbans, the Chips, the Sabans etc would even set foot at ND with the super tight restrictions placed on this program. I can't imagine Kelly's frustrations. Guys do more at other schools and don't get suspended and man you miss curfew at ND you are missing the biggest game for ND in years.

Its tough to win in consistently in college football. Its even harder to win consistently at ND. What we as fans have to do is temper our expectations. 10 wins a year should be the norm going forward. Yah there will be a down year but there will also be those years ND stretches to 11 or 12 wins and makes a playoff. It is now easier to setup yourself with a chance at NC by expanding to 4 teams, not easier to get or win a NC by any means. Like baseball just make it to the playoffs and anything can happen.

This year was a surprise year, no one was expecting such a great season. Even after all the injuries ND was still in the playoff talk going into game 12. Everyone expected next year to be the year. But with success comes the NFL and sending a bunch of guys to the show only advances the recruiting tools for Kelly.

Frankly I don't see his act translating well to the NFL. You can get all purplely faced to college kids who aren't on the payroll but try that shit with a $20million dollar guy. Ain't happening.

Reps.

 

[kmoose]

What is the difference between "setting yourself up with a chance at a NC" and getting into the playoff? It's not easier for ND to get into the playoff- we have to be undefeated to get in. Same as the BCS.

It amazes me that people are still spewing this ignorant line. We were ranked 4th in the CFP poll, with a loss, in front of two 10-0 teams I might add. Each year is going to be judged on its own merits. There's no "set" standard that we have to meet. One year, there might be 8 undefeated teams and NO one loss team will have a shot. The next year, you might be able to sneak in with TWO losses, if the big dogs all have one loss themselves.

 

[NDgradstudent]

There's no "set" standard that we have to meet.

There is a set standard: any non-P5/independent has to be "unequivocally better" than a conference champion in order to get in. The odds that an 11-1 ND team could say it is unequivocally better than some other team we didn't play are very low. Do you think that if we had beaten Stanford we'd have gotten in over OU? I don't. And that is with a win over a common opponent, which we will usually not have.

 

[kmoose]

There is a set standard: any non-P5/independent has to be "unequivocally better" than a conference champion in order to get in. The odds that an 11-1 ND team could say it is unequivocally better than some other team we didn't play are very low. Do you think that if we had beaten Stanford we'd have gotten in over OU? I don't. And that is with a win over a common opponent, which we will usually not have.

I think if we don't struggle against BC, and also clearly beat Stanford, we breeze right into the playoffs.

 

[Irish_Passion]

I think Kelly has done wonders to this program his elite status remains "Outcome hazy" but I think he is the best man for this job right now.

You are insane to think that the Urbans, the Chips, the Sabans etc would even set foot at ND with the super tight restrictions placed on this program. I can't imagine Kelly's frustrations. Guys do more at other schools and don't get suspended and man you miss curfew at ND you are missing the biggest game for ND in years.

Its tough to win in consistently in college football. Its even harder to win consistently at ND. What we as fans have to do is temper our expectations. 10 wins a year should be the norm going forward. Yah there will be a down year but there will also be those years ND stretches to 11 or 12 wins and makes a playoff. It is now easier to setup yourself with a chance at NC by expanding to 4 teams, not easier to get or win a NC by any means. Like baseball just make it to the playoffs and anything can happen.

This year was a surprise year, no one was expecting such a great season. Even after all the injuries ND was still in the playoff talk going into game 12. Everyone expected next year to be the year. But with success comes the NFL and sending a bunch of guys to the show only advances the recruiting tools for Kelly.

Frankly I don't see his act translating well to the NFL. You can get all purplely faced to college kids who aren't on the payroll but try that shit with a $20million dollar guy. Ain't happening.

100% Agree, well done!

 

[IrishLion]

I think if we don't struggle against BC, and also clearly beat Stanford, we breeze right into the playoffs.

I agree.

What would have been really interesting? ND struggles against BC the same, but then Stanford misses the game-winner, allowing ND to escape.

ND gets left out of the playoff as the fifth-ranked team, just behind Oklahoma.

Oklahoma then gets waxed by Clemson, just the same as they got waxed by common opponent Texas. Now everyone says, "ND should have been in over Oklahoma! They played Clemson closer AND they beat Texas!"

The heat on the committee would have been interesting.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think, and hope, Kelly sticks around for a while. He seemed a lot more comfortable this year. If we can make a run like this with an injury depleted roster we are well positioned to make the playoffs in one of the next two years. One loss ND will make the playoffs more often than not and undefeated seasons are not impossible for us.

Just for the love of God and all things holy - defer if you win the toss next year. Our best offense is never the first possession and we never put our foot on anyone's throat. Stop acting like we are going to scare opponents into submission with a big early lead and never look back.

 

[BGIF]

I think Kelly has done wonders to this program his elite status remains "Outcome hazy" but I think he is the best man for this job right now.

You are insane to think that the Urbans, the Chips, the Sabans etc would even set foot at ND with the super tight restrictions placed on this program. I can't imagine Kelly's frustrations. Guys do more at other schools and don't get suspended and man you miss curfew at ND you are missing the biggest game for ND in years.

Its tough to win in consistently in college football. Its even harder to win consistently at ND. What we as fans have to do is temper our expectations. 10 wins a year should be the norm going forward. Yah there will be a down year but there will also be those years ND stretches to 11 or 12 wins and makes a playoff. It is now easier to setup yourself with a chance at NC by expanding to 4 teams, not easier to get or win a NC by any means. Like baseball just make it to the playoffs and anything can happen.

This year was a surprise year, no one was expecting such a great season. Even after all the injuries ND was still in the playoff talk going into game 12. Everyone expected next year to be the year. But with success comes the NFL and sending a bunch of guys to the show only advances the recruiting tools for Kelly.

Frankly I don't see his act translating well to the NFL. You can get all purplely faced to college kids who aren't on the payroll but try that shit with a $20million dollar guy. Ain't happening.

Telling it, like it is.

Reps!

 

[RDU Irish]

We all make this out like the biggest game of the year but the team sure acted like it was a scrimmage - from losing two starters to the pre-party to the lethargic play I don't think the team came Phoenix with the same intensity as the fans. See it in bowl games all the time, one team comes to get a tan and the other comes to kick some ass. I was hoping OSU was going to have a better tan.