Andrew Hendrix/Everett Golson

[irishandy]

So we know who the #1 & #2 QB's are and Kelly want's to have a "special package" for 1 of the other 2 QB's. Who you think gets the call for the special pacakge? I want to see Hendrix get some playing time this year.

 

[rikkitikki08]

So we know who the #1 & #2 QB's are and Kelly want's to have a "special package" for 1 of the other 2 QB's. Who you think gets the call for the special pacakge? I want to see Hendrix get some playing time this year.

I honestly see hendrix and golson both getting some reps this year, kelly has said he is going to put the best players on the field. But my money would be on hendrix to get some snaps, possibly out of some type of wildcate formation

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Kelly's portraying this "competition" to be much closer than it actually is, just as he did with Crist and Rees.

The only type of "special package" that makes sense for one of our two young dual threat QBs is a red zone package that threatens a QB run on every play; think Tim Tebow as a freshman. As the bigger QB with more time in Kelly's system, Hendrix has a big advantage when asked to play the red zone battering ram.

Also, despite Kelly's protestations to the contrary, burning a year of Golson's eligibility seems stupid unless he's playing a lot or making a key contribution. Splitting time with another QB situationally doesn't qualifty.

Oh, and Hendrix is the #1 transfer risk on the team. If he feels like Golson has passed him, he may bolt. Assuming Kelly wants to keep him, that's yet another reason to make Hendrix the sole "change of pace" option.

 

[RyCo1983]

Kelly's portraying this "competition" to be much closer than it actually is, just as he did with Crist and Rees.

The only type of "special package" that makes sense for one of our two young dual threat QBs is a red zone package that threatens a QB run on every play; think Tim Tebow as a freshman. As the bigger QB with more time in Kelly's system, Hendrix has a big advantage when asked to play the red zone battering ram.

Also, despite Kelly's protestations to the contrary, burning a year of Golson's eligibility seems stupid unless he's playing a lot or making a key contribution. Splitting time with another QB situationally doesn't qualifty.

Oh, and Hendrix is the #1 transfer risk on the team. If he feels like Golson has passed him, he may bolt. Assuming Kelly wants to keep him, that's yet another reason to make Hendrix the sole "change of pace" option.

You took the words right out of my mouth.
Hendrix will see the field.

 

[IrishandColts]

Hendrix. He can bulldoze.

 

[ThePiombino]

Kelly's portraying this "competition" to be much closer than it actually is, just as he did with Crist and Rees.

The only type of "special package" that makes sense for one of our two young dual threat QBs is a red zone package that threatens a QB run on every play; think Tim Tebow as a freshman. As the bigger QB with more time in Kelly's system, Hendrix has a big advantage when asked to play the red zone battering ram.

Also, despite Kelly's protestations to the contrary, burning a year of Golson's eligibility seems stupid unless he's playing a lot or making a key contribution. Splitting time with another QB situationally doesn't qualifty.

Oh, and Hendrix is the #1 transfer risk on the team. If he feels like Golson has passed him, he may bolt. Assuming Kelly wants to keep him, that's yet another reason to make Hendrix the sole "change of pace" option.

Agreed. Burning a year of eligibility for a handful of QB draws does not seem to be the most prudent option.

 

[The Gold Helmets]

Kelly's portraying this "competition" to be much closer than it actually is, just as he did with Crist and Rees.

The only type of "special package" that makes sense for one of our two young dual threat QBs is a red zone package that threatens a QB run on every play; think Tim Tebow as a freshman. As the bigger QB with more time in Kelly's system, Hendrix has a big advantage when asked to play the red zone battering ram.

Also, despite Kelly's protestations to the contrary, burning a year of Golson's eligibility seems stupid unless he's playing a lot or making a key contribution. Splitting time with another QB situationally doesn't qualifty.

Oh, and Hendrix is the #1 transfer risk on the team. If he feels like Golson has passed him, he may bolt. Assuming Kelly wants to keep him, that's yet another reason to make Hendrix the sole "change of pace" option.

Well said. Hendrix is ready to see action now. Let's save a year of eligibility fir Golson.

 

[GoldenDomer87]

Kelly said Golson's problem was holding on to the ball. The way he has been harping on not committing turnovers this year,if Golson hasn't solved the problem he is not playing.

 

[IrishLax]

Guys on ISD think that Golson is way ahead of Hendrix. But I agree that in an ideal world I would love to redshirt Golson and give Andrew the limited reps this year.

 

[crzychris]

I think Golson is too talented to waste a year of eligibility. Assuming Crist stays for a fifth year, that'll allow for either Rees or Hendrix to start the 2013 season and also Golson to have two years as a starter. Of course, Golson could also rocket up the depth chart and start his junior year, giving him three years like Crist.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think Golson is too talented to waste a year of eligibility. Assuming Crist stays for a fifth year, that'll allow for either Rees or Hendrix to start the 2013 season and also Golson to have two years as a starter. Of course, Golson could also rocket up the depth chart and start his junior year, giving him three years like Crist.

If Andrew Hendrix wins the starting job in 2013, he'll start through 2014, giving Golson only one year.

Personally I think he redshirts this year and starts from 2013-2015.

 

[PANDFAN]

I understand Hendrix is more physical of a runner but idc if golsen burns a year of eligibility if it is only for a couple of plays....those couple of plays could be a difference between BCS run and the champs bowl....assuming they score or it gives us momentum...it will also show some recruits BK will play freshman if you are the best

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

It's a great discussion to be able to have. If I had to pick one I'd probably go with Golson because he looks to have more escapability and an equivalent, if not better arm then Hendrix. But, the fact remains, Hendrix can run, has size and has the arm too. Like I said, it's solid depth to have and the coaches will maximize the return from such potential.

 

[Black Irish]

Seems like many people are talking as if Rees doesn't even exist. To my mind, unless he blows it big in a game this season or gets injured, he is odds on ND's starting QB next year. Sure, anything can happen and Golson and/or Hendrix could catch fire and surpass Rees, but it seems odd how, after Rees stepped in and performed pretty well as a true freshmen, many people are already writing him off.

 

[IrishLax]

Seems like many people are talking as if Rees doesn't even exist. To my mind, unless he blows it big in a game this season or gets injured, he is odds on ND's starting QB next year. Sure, anything can happen and Golson and/or Hendrix could catch fire and surpass Rees, but it seems odd how, after Rees stepped in and performed pretty well as a true freshmen, many people are already writing him off.

No. Crist has a year left. If Crist doesn't get injured again/benched this year, there is no way Rees starts in '12. So then in '13 you'll have Rees in his last year versus Hendrix (with 2 left) and Golson (with 2 or 3 left). Both guys have greater upside than Rees because they fit the offense better. So if either of them come along as expected, I wouldn't be surprised to never see Tommy start another game.

On the flip side, Dayne could go down versus South Florida and Tommy could start the next three years.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Seems like many people are talking as if Rees doesn't even exist. To my mind, unless he blows it big in a game this season or gets injured, he is odds on ND's starting QB next year. Sure, anything can happen and Golson and/or Hendrix could catch fire and surpass Rees, but it seems odd how, after Rees stepped in and performed pretty well as a true freshmen, many people are already writing him off.

As for me, I was going along with the title of the thread.

The discussion here is more about two quarterbacks that are truly built to run BKs offense.

I have a lot of respect for Rees and if he wins the job in the future I'll trust that the coaches are doing what's best.

 

[Black Irish]

As for me, I was going along with the title of the thread.

The discussion here is more about two quarterbacks that are truly built to run BKs offense.

I have a lot of respect for Rees and if he wins the job in the future I'll trust that the coaches are doing what's best.

I'm not really quibbling with this particular thread, but it just reminds me how much discussion about ND QB situation seems to revolve around what Crist can do this season and what Hendrix/Golson will do in the future because they are so suited to Kelly's offense. Should Kelly try hard to groom Rees if he isn't the best fit for his offense? Or should he try to move Golson/Hendrix in nest season and maybe hope Rees transfers? I'm not an expert, so I can accept that Rees may not be the ideal man for the job. But I do know that I was impressed with his results last season (except for the end of game INT against Tulsa).

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

In all honesty, I am surprised that Rees is even #2. And trust me, I'm not trying to get down on the kid. He earned all the respect I can give last year. I just don't see the BCS caliber QB from him. I don't have a single idea how much better Rees does in practice to make Kelly give him the nod, but based on what I have "seen" (Granted Hendrix was only Spring Game), Hendrix looks to be superior.

Golson very well could be the future, and probably is, but from what I have "seen" (again from the Spring Game), he is still very raw. He needs to have the game slow down so that he can just react naturally instead of trying to think about stuff, and that just takes time.

In a perfect world, I would like to see Dayne rock the world this year. Get his fifth year (if he does as well as we all hope though, he's gone.. Its too much of a injury risk, and he would be a top 3 round QB). Hendrix eventually take over the #2 (so we don't risk losing him). Golsen redshirting (preserving 2 years for both he and Hendrix to start).

 

[pumpdog20]

I say Hendrix. He's been in the offense for a year already, and will be the starter next year if Crist doesn't come back.

 

[irishandy]

I say Hendrix only because if Golson gets reps before Hendrix, then I see Hendrix leaving. Golson looked good at Spring Game, but Hendrix looked better.

 

[NDinL.A.]

In all honesty, I am surprised that Rees is even #2. And trust me, I'm not trying to get down on the kid. He earned all the respect I can give last year. I just don't see the BCS caliber QB from him. I don't have a single idea how much better Rees does in practice to make Kelly give him the nod, but based on what I have "seen" (Granted Hendrix was only Spring Game), Hendrix looks to be superior.

I listen and read about way too much Irish football, and I can tell you from the people on staff and the people who attend the practices, that not one person agrees with you about Hendrix being superior to Rees. And from all reports, it's not even close. Yes, Hendrix may have more God-given ability than Rees (so you can say he's superior in that sense), but as far as being QBs in this system, Rees outshone both Golson and Hendrix this spring and in the fall camp, and by a wide margin.

So Rees being number 2 shouldn't surprise anyone, especially considering he was FAR closer to being #1 than he was #3. Add to that that he has won 4 games already, and won in places like the Coliseum, ND Stadium, Yankee Stadium, and a bowl game, and it's clear why he is where he is. And while I didn't want Rees to start b/c I think Crist gives us more upside, I can still see why the staff is so comfortable in Rees...

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

In all honesty, I am surprised that Rees is even #2. And trust me, I'm not trying to get down on the kid. He earned all the respect I can give last year. I just don't see the BCS caliber QB from him. I don't have a single idea how much better Rees does in practice to make Kelly give him the nod, but based on what I have "seen" (Granted Hendrix was only Spring Game), Hendrix looks to be superior.

Golson very well could be the future, and probably is, but from what I have "seen" (again from the Spring Game), he is still very raw. He needs to have the game slow down so that he can just react naturally instead of trying to think about stuff, and that just takes time.

Nice post, and I agree 100%. I think the Crist/Rees "competition" was fabricated. It was Crist #1 all along, so long as he was healthy, and Rees is the career backup, because he is solid but will never be spectacular. Hendrix has the potential to be spectacular. I fully expect Hendrix to be the starter when Crist is gone. There will probably even be another fictitious "competition" with Hendrix/Rees, just for appearances. Golston will take over when Hendrix is gone, assuming we don't get a guy with similar skill set but better size in the next recruiting cycle or two...

 

[eNDzone]

Hendrix has all the tools. It looks like he needs to work on his decision making.
It is yet to be seen if the change of pace QB will be used in a close game or when there is some room for beginners mistakes. In either case you can bet that Kelly will manage his change of pace QB just like he did Rees. Also with his lightning delivery I can't imagine if Hendrix is the man that he won't be mixing up run and pass. He won't have to know the whole playbook-just the managed plays.

 

[kmoose]

Here we go again.......

Everyone wants to crown the next "up and coming" guy to be a star, before he has taken even ONE meaningful snap......

Potential and upside don't mean jack, folks. Results are what counts. Rees has results, Hendrix doesn't. I really don't care how well they can run. Do you people even listen to Kelly's pressers? He's already said that a QB doesn't have to be a runner, to run his offense. All he needs is some escapability. Rees wasn't Tony Rice last year, but he wasn't exactly Bernie Kosar either. Quit prognosticating based on your own personal wants, and listen and watch what is going on around you. Rees has the same amount of time in Kelly's system as Hendrix. He's already gotten meaningful (and successful) game time. Hendrix, according to some of you, is a way better QB than Rees. So which is more likely?

A.) Brian Kelly is an idiot, for putting Rees in front of Hendrix on the depth chart.

or

B.) Some of you are just flat wrong about Hendrix being better than Rees.

 

[NDinFL]

Here we go again.......

Everyone wants to crown the next "up and coming" guy to be a star, before he has taken even ONE meaningful snap......

Potential and upside don't mean jack, folks. Results are what counts. Rees has results, Hendrix doesn't. I really don't care how well they can run. Do you people even listen to Kelly's pressers? He's already said that a QB doesn't have to be a runner, to run his offense. All he needs is some escapability. Rees wasn't Tony Rice last year, but he wasn't exactly Bernie Kosar either. Quit prognosticating based on your own personal wants, and listen and watch what is going on around you. Rees has the same amount of time in Kelly's system as Hendrix. He's already gotten meaningful (and successful) game time. Hendrix, according to some of you, is a way better QB than Rees. So which is more likely?

A.) Brian Kelly is an idiot, for putting Rees in front of Hendrix on the depth chart.



or



B.) Some of you are just flat wrong about Hendrix being better than Rees.

While I agree with your point kmoose... I believe BK has said in past interviews, that he has had to "alter" his offense to be more suiting to Rees' skill set

I agree that Rees' in-game experience is priceless compared to what Hendrix/Golson have been through, however with more reps, and perhaps some "garbage time" snaps this season, to kind of help either of them along in the mental/game speed side of things... Who knows?

BK has stated before that guys like Golson/Hendrix are ideal for running his optimal type of offense

 

[kmoose]

While I agree with your point kmoose... I believe BK has said in past interviews, that he has had to "alter" his offense to be more suiting to Rees' skill set

I agree that Rees' in-game experience is priceless compared to what Hendrix/Golson have been through, however with more reps, and perhaps some "garbage time" snaps this season, to kind of help either of them along in the mental/game speed side of things... Who knows?

BK has stated before that guys like Golson/Hendrix are ideal for running his optimal type of offense

I've never heard Kelly say that he had to alter his offense for Rees' "skill set". I've heard him say that Rees couldn't run everything in Kelly's offense. But I'm pretty certain that Kelly meant that Rees didn't know all of the playbook yet. Kelly has stated before that guys like Golson/Hendrix are ideal for running his optimal type of offense... and yet Kelly still put Rees ahead of them on the depth chart. So, according to the "Golson/Hendrix are obviously better than Rees" campers, Kelly is an absolute moron?

 

[NDinFL]

I've never heard Kelly say that he had to alter his offense for Rees' "skill set". I've heard him say that Rees couldn't run everything in Kelly's offense. But I'm pretty certain that Kelly meant that Rees didn't know all of the playbook yet. Kelly has stated before that guys like Golson/Hendrix are ideal for running his optimal type of offense... and yet Kelly still put Rees ahead of them on the depth chart. So, according to the "Golson/Hendrix are obviously better than Rees" campers, Kelly is an absolute moron?

Could be a lapse in my memory then, I thought he had made a remark along those lines though. I don't think anyone is implying that BK is a moron... That's a bit over the top.

I think it's coach Diaco that uses the "100 class" to describe his defense...
As in "Ishaq is still in the 100 class and KLM is in the 300 class stage"
(like college courses)

I correalate that with Mr. Rees and Hendrix/Golson

IMHO I think that while Hendrix/Golson may be better athletically
Tommy just "gets it" so to speak.
However, if either Hendrix/Golson end up "getting it" by next year... Then look out!

 

[Rocket89]

Some thoughts....

It's looking more and more like Hendrix might transfer. I don't want that, but if Golson steps on the field at all this year the Hendrix transferring odds will shoot through the roof.

Even if Hendrix stays, we still have a long way to go to see who takes over post-Crist. A long way.

I am still leaning towards Kelly being a politician about all of this. I don't really buy that the QB competition was that close with Crist and Rees, but when he said that they were statistically so close during camp I have to believe him.

The only thing I can think of is that the stats were close because Rees was getting a lot of YAC from slants, screens and throws like that, whereas Crist may have been throwing the ball downfield more and such.

Also, Kelly mentioned very matter of factly that Crist & Rees can run the FULL offense, whereas Hendrix and Golson cannot.

Unless he has completely retooled his offense, that doesn't make much sense to me. Perhaps he meant the veterans are the most comfortable, but neither are great runners and Rees simply cannot make all the throws out there.

I know Kelly has said he doesn't need the QB to run much, if at all, but running from the QB is in the playbook.

It seems to me that Hendrix and Golson are running the full offense, and understandably having some trouble with it. They can make plays with their feet that the other QB's cannot, and they have other plays they have to run that the other QB's do not have to run. There is a disconnect in there somewhere with Kelly's comments.

I think if we go back to the fall with Kelly's comments things become clearer. There really is two different systems and playbooks now, with Crist/Rees completely comfortable in their smaller set of plays, and Hendrix/Golson struggling with their larger set of plays.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Guy at the SB Trib seems to think Hendrix will be the starting QB before the end of the year.

I think he is delusional.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/sbt-rough-start-tough-luck-20110827,0,3022786.story

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

6 1/2 day until we go live folks.... ALL of you are reading way too much into this. You're thinking way too far down the line. Focus on South Florida. One step at a time.