All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[BeauBenken]

Are we allowed to post about what JJ Abrams said was originally supposed to happen in the movie? I feel like it might give away someone's importance, or lack thereof in the next movies so I want to clear it with you all first...

If he said it publicly, it isn't even really a spoiler, is it? Post away, brother.

 

[Cackalacky]

Except, I can definitely see/understand what Grey has expressed. He is talking about the ships ability to escape gravitational pull because it is so fast so he was able to shorten his distance travelled. He was moving both faster AND travelling a shorter distance. Obviously faster to anyone who knew a thing about smuggling...which Luke, Obi Wan, and the viewers clearly didn't because no one knew what the Kessel Run or the Millenium Falcon were.

He could just as likely be testing Luke and Obi Wan's knowledge to determine how much he could get away with charging considering that he does high ball them and is surprised when Obi Wan says he'll make the deal.

Either way, I can't believe we're really arguing on this. I don't find it as a glaring plot hole or anything since you could argue either one of the two explanations above.

Except watching ANH with no prior knowledge of the Kessel run or its hazards, which all of us did as children, gives no information as to the difficulty or speed required to escape black holes. The Maw is an EU relic. Lucas can't have expected us to know about the Maw or its black holes at the time ANH was written. That being said I think he either used it wrong or clumsily wrote it as Han bragging to two marks. That is my point. All this EU stuff complicates everything and almost has nothing to do with the movies.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I don't want to "debate" you on it and I said as much yet here we are as I responded to your response, my fault. But I maintain that my child and my parents niether were concerned about what the Falcon was doing in the sand dunes or how Han came so close to the planet without hitting it. That's my point. For a vast majority of non-nerds, things like that matter little.

Falls into the category of "this one goes here, that one goes there" for me.

 

[NDVirginia19]

So heres my one question after seeing the movie. Is there a chance that Finn might also have some smidge of Force sensitivity? He was able to use the lightsaber without injuring himself, and it was long ago established, that lightsabers were such a difficult weapon to handle, that only Force sensitive users could wield it effectively. So, does this mean Finn might also have a Force awakening inside of him?

I'm not entirely convinced with the evidence we have that he's force sensitive. People have used lightsabers in the past as who weren't force sensitive, like Han in Episode 5 and Greivious in 3. It's just pretty much impossible for a non jedi to beat a jedi in combat with a saber, although we saw with Greivious, it is possible to get pretty proficient without being sensitive.

 

[BeauBenken]

Except watching ANH with no prior knowledge of the Kessel run or its hazards, which all of us did as children, gives no information as to the difficulty or speed required to escape black holes. The Maw is an EU relic. Lucas can't have expected us to know about the Maw or its black holes at the time ANH was written. That being said I think he either used it wrong or clumsily wrote it as Han bragging to two marks. That is my point. All this EU stuff complicates everything and almost has nothing to do with the movies.

I know, and I agree, but none of us know literally anything in the Star Wars universe prior to A New Hope. You don't know what a Jedi is, you don't know what the force is, you don't know what the Kessel Run is...none of these things are a problem. The Kessel Run line probably wasn't supposed to be as big of a deal as it became. Ford just delivers the line so well that we're all like "oh my god, that's impressive," even though we have no idea what he just said. lol

To this point, what the hell is a nerf herder? We don't learn in the movie, but we know it's some sort of insult.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Episode 7 disproves that. Rey would have no knowledge of the negotiations with Obi-Wan and she knew the legend of the Falcon. Doing the Kessel run in 12 parsecs without-a-doubt means something real and impressive in-universe.

I don't think that disproves it. Han clearly told everone his little story, and it became legend, whether true or not. This happens in the real world all the time.

 

[gkIrish]

If he said it publicly, it isn't even really a spoiler, is it? Post away, brother.

Apparently Poe was supposed to die in this movie. So I'm thinking he probably isn't important to the plot going forward.

 

[Cackalacky]

I know, and I agree, but none of us know literally anything in the Star Wars universe prior to A New Hope. You don't know what a Jedi is, you don't know what the force is, you don't know what the Kessel Run is...none of these things are a problem. The Kessel Run line probably wasn't supposed to be as big of a deal as it became. Ford just delivers the line so well that we're all like "oh my god, that's impressive," even though we have no idea what he just said. lol

Exactly. The whole Kessel run was retconned in later EU books to clarify that Han meant he was able to do a normal 18 parsec path in 12 parsecs due to higher quality navigation equipment/ piloting etc. Literally every reference to the Falcon in the movies has to do with its speed and how shitty of a freighter it is...

"Its the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy"

And I blame IrishLax for asking me to explain.

 

[gkIrish]

I bet the Han Solo movie is going to definitely show two things: (1) how Han and Chewie link up; and (2) the Kessel run. So we will see what's up.

 

[wizards8507]

I don't think that disproves it. Han clearly told everone his little story, and it became legend, whether true or not. This happens in the real world all the time.

I'm not arguing whether it's true or not, just that it is more than a nonsense statement. Rey is a knowledgeable pilot. She'd know whether a ship's ability to navigate the Kessel run in 12 parsecs is something to marvel at, and she obviously thinks it is. If Han had said "the Falcon can complete the Kessel run in 87 kilograms," Rey would have identified that as nonsense.

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[nlroma1o]

I'm not entirely convinced with the evidence we have that he's force sensitive. People have used lightsabers in the past as who weren't force sensitive, like Han in Episode 5 and Greivious in 3. It's just pretty much impossible for a non jedi to beat a jedi in combat with a saber, although we saw with Greivious, it is possible to get pretty proficient without being sensitive.

Yeah, I'm not convinced either. My buddy I saw the movie with is convinced Finn is going to end up being a Jedi also.

 

[RDU Irish]

I would like to think Finn is Jedi material. Seems called to the good side, repelled by the evil of the NO. If he is Jedi - undermines the thought of him being Lanzo's son as too damn small of a universe. I think he ends up being Lanzo's son though - too easy. I always though Han had the force in him an could have been a Jedi.

Ren will have goo-goo eyes for Rey only find out they are kissing cousins. Then Finn ends up with the lady a-la Solo/Leia.

 

[johnnycando]

I would like to think Finn is Jedi material. Seems called to the good side, repelled by the evil of the NO. If he is Jedi - undermines the thought of him being Lanzo's son as too damn small of a universe. I think he ends up being Lanzo's son though - too easy. I always though Han had the force in him an could have been a Jedi.
Ren will have goo-goo eyes for Rey only find out they are kissing cousins. Then Finn ends up with the lady a-la Solo/Leia.

I think so too.

Even the newest film, showed Han get off a blind shot without knowledge of the Storm Trooper's location.

I would agree he had The Force.

 

[BeauBenken]

Apparently Poe was supposed to die in this movie. So I'm thinking he probably isn't important to the plot going forward.

This would make sense as to why he was not very well developed IMO. (I also think this might have been better for my own personal tastes. Yes, I know how screwed up that is but I was looking/expecting one of either him or Finn to die by the end.) Now however they have created a Fett like character. Had they killed him off, everyone would be like "oh man, they killed off some badass without developing him more, what crap!" But now they will have people demanding that he is developed despite his importance being minuscule.

Also, I think I kinda don't like Poe because he gives up info to Ren so I don't even see him being that badass. I think they should have shown us the torture scene, that might have made him more badass in my mind, as well as made Ren look more evil and sick.

 

[johnnycando]

This would make sense as to why he was not very well developed IMO. (I also think this might have been better for my own personal tastes. Yes, I know how screwed up that is but I was looking/expecting one of either him or Finn to die by the end.) Now however they have created a Fett like character. Had they killed him off, everyone would be like "oh man, they killed off some badass without developing him more, what crap!" But now they will have people demanding that he is developed despite his importance being minuscule.

Also, I think I kinda don't like Poe because he gives up info to Ren so I don't even see him being that badass. I think they should have shown us the torture scene, that might have made him more badass in my mind, as well as made Ren look more evil and sick.

I think they did masterfully.

He reminded me of a sick wacko teenager. I could completely imagine him as a trenchcoat, Manson and Rammstein jammer, crying over his self-made sorrows.

Columbine type kid.

I think he was completely wacked.

Great character development. Impossible for me to like him.

 

[RDU Irish]

This would make sense as to why he was not very well developed IMO. (I also think this might have been better for my own personal tastes. Yes, I know how screwed up that is but I was looking/expecting one of either him or Finn to die by the end.) Now however they have created a Fett like character. Had they killed him off, everyone would be like "oh man, they killed off some badass without developing him more, what crap!" But now they will have people demanding that he is developed despite his importance being minuscule.

Also, I think I kinda don't like Poe because he gives up info to Ren so I don't even see him being that badass. I think they should have shown us the torture scene, that might have made him more badass in my mind, as well as made Ren look more evil and sick.

That does explain why Poe somewhat randomly reappears at the rebel base. They were smart enough to know he has potential to be the new Wedge and need to let him continue to kick ass. Who else was going to knock out half a dozen tie fighters in one pass? Who would light up the death star? Being a bad ass pilot does not necessarily mean you are immune to dark force mental manipulation. Pretty clear he was roughed up to me, I don't need to see the details - especially in light of bringing my 8 and 12 year olds to the movies.

One gripe - why land at the base of the Jedi Temple and walk up when you could just land at the top? Sheesh.

 

[RDU Irish]

I think they did masterfully.

He reminded me of a sick wacko teenager. I could completely imagine him as a trenchcoat, Manson and Rammstein jammer, crying over his self-made sorrows.

Columbine type kid.

I think he was completely wacked.

Great character development. Impossible for me to like him.

Whiney little b!tch breaking sh!t every time things go against him. I agree - if he is meant to be any older than 22 I am disappointed though. If he really is supposed to be 30 like some say it makes it harder for me to buy him advancing as far as he surely will down the dark path.

 

[johnnycando]

Whiney little b!tch breaking sh!t every time things go against him. I agree - if he is meant to be any older than 22 I am disappointed though. If he really is supposed to be 30 like some say it makes it harder for me to buy him advancing as far as he surely will down the dark path.

Rey beat that ass.

It's inevitable. His head will roll.

His final training will surely involve the terrible sickly look, and breathing apparatus installed to control him via his Sith master a-la-Vader style.

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[RDU Irish]

Did he lose an arm in the battle? Seems to me he did - that isn't predictable in the Skywalker bloodlines!

He is definitely the pawn, but I think we will see his strength grow substantially in 8 to either die or convert in 9. I'd rather see the head roll.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Whiney little b!tch breaking sh!t every time things go against him. I agree - if he is meant to be any older than 22 I am disappointed though. If he really is supposed to be 30 like some say it makes it harder for me to buy him advancing as far as he surely will down the dark path.

I think he is supposed to be Hux's age... mid to late 20s.

I think he's completely conflicted about the nature of the dark side and because of his emotional instabliity he can't realize his full force potential. Same exact thing happened to Anakin before ROS and after ANH. He became conflicted again once he realized he had a son. Snoke was excited Kylo Ren killed his father because its a whole lot harder to go back after that.

 

[NDohio]

Did he lose an arm in the battle? Seems to me he did - that isn't predictable in the Skywalker bloodlines!

He is definitely the pawn, but I think we will see his strength grow substantially in 8 to either die or convert in 9. I'd rather see the head roll.

Hmmm. I didn't catch that if he did.

Going back tomorrow to see some of the details I may have missed.

 

[Cackalacky]

Whiney little b!tch breaking sh!t every time things go against him. I agree - if he is meant to be any older than 22 I am disappointed though. If he really is supposed to be 30 like some say it makes it harder for me to buy him advancing as far as he surely will down the dark path.

I think he is supposed to be Hux's age... mid to late 20s.

I think he's completely conflicted about the nature of the dark side and because of his emotional instabliity he can't realize his full force potential. Same exact thing happened to Anakin before ROS and after ANH. He became conflicted again once he realized he had a son. Snoke was excited Kylo Ren killed his father because its a whole lot harder to go back after that.

This guy confirmed Ren is 29-30 in Episode VII. SO he was born approximately 1 year after the battle of Endor.
Pablo Hidalgo - Wookieepedia - Wikia

After The Walt Disney Company's acquisition of Lucasfilm, Hidago was assigned a job within the newly formed Lucasfilm Story Group, whose main purpose is to create and maintain one cohesive canon, thereby eliminating the previous hierarchical canon.

 

[gkIrish]

Did he lose an arm in the battle? Seems to me he did - that isn't predictable in the Skywalker bloodlines!

He is definitely the pawn, but I think we will see his strength grow substantially in 8 to either die or convert in 9. I'd rather see the head roll.

I don't believe he lost an arm. I think he was just cut badly in various places. He also had a large gash on his face.

I want to see his head roll, too. He already committed the irredeemable sin.

 

[Voltaire]

I very much enjoyed the movie but didn't love it.

What I thought was unnecessarily nonsensical about the plot, unless I missed something (admittedly very possible), is that the military force used to fight the reorganizing Imperial forces was not the main Republic fleet. How is it that the group used to fight the First Order, which raised apparently a very large and capable army of Stormtroopers and had a whole bunch of TIE fighters and its own fleet of ships, is some sub-group called the Resistance? Even the name of the group itself doesn't make sense. The Resistance? That's an appropriate name for a group fighting an overwhelming incumbent power, not a military force fighting a rebel group, which the First Order more or less was given that it was a reorganizing force from a collapsed government / military that had been soundly defeated a few decades earlier.

How does the Republic not throw the full force of its fleet to stomp out the First Order? They're just going to wait around and let the Imperial Forces reorganize and then in one swoop destroy the capital of the Republic and the entirety of the Republic's fleet? What? How does that even make any sense? Seriously, they just let the First Order wipe out the Republic because the fighting force used to confront the First Order was just some sub-force with a couple dozen X-Wings instead of the entirety of the Republic fleet.

 

[IrishLion]

I very much enjoyed the movie but didn't love it.

What I thought was unnecessarily nonsensical about the plot, unless I missed something (admittedly very possible), is that the military force used to fight the reorganizing Imperial forces was not the main Republic fleet. How is it that the group used to fight the First Order, which raised apparently a very large and capable army of Stormtroopers and had a whole bunch of TIE fighters and its own fleet of ships, is some sub-group called the Resistance? Even the name of the group itself doesn't make sense. The Resistance? That's an appropriate name for a group fighting an overwhelming incumbent power, not a military force fighting a rebel group, which the First Order more or less was given that it was a reorganizing force from a collapsed government / military that had been soundly defeated a few decades earlier.

How does the Republic not throw the full force of its fleet to stomp out the First Order? They're just going to wait around and let the Imperial Forces reorganize and then in one swoop destroy the capital of the Republic and the entirety of the Republic's fleet? What? How does that even make any sense? Seriously, they just let the First Order wipe out the Republic because the fighting force used to confront the First Order was just some sub-force with a couple dozen X-Wings instead of the entirety of the Republic fleet.

The Republic doesn't have a fleet, does it?

I remember Ren or somebody asking "Do I need to use the clones?" as a threat, as if the First Order controls the military might but is holding much in reserve. The Republic never had a force or a fleet or an army, right? Their first army was the Clone Army, which became the Empire, and is now the First Order.

 

[calvegas04]

How would it be possible for for Rey to be related to obi wan kenobi? I just can't think of any reasonable ways for that to happen without a huge plot hole.

 

[ulukinatme]

How would it be possible for for Rey to be related to obi wan kenobi? I just can't think of any reasonable ways for that to happen without a huge plot hole.

Obi Wan donated regularly to the Mos Eisley sperm bank.

 

[phillyirish]

The Republic doesn't have a fleet, does it?

I remember Ren or somebody asking "Do I need to use the clones?" as a threat, as if the First Order controls the military might but is holding much in reserve. The Republic never had a force or a fleet or an army, right? Their first army was the Clone Army, which became the Empire, and is now the First Order.

I believe it does, they mention it a few times in the film. I one of the leaders said "we can't count on the republican fleet" Idk if it means it was tied up or what.

 

[Cackalacky]

I believe it does, they mention it a few times in the film. I one of the leaders said "we can't count on the republican fleet" Idk if it means it was tied up or what.

That was after it got blew up by Starkiller Base right?

 

[Domina Nostra]

That was after it got blew up by Starkiller Base right?

I think the idea is that the Republic prefer to demilitarize all together (see Episode 1), and they are trying to wish away the First Order. So their may be a Republic fleet, but it is not committed to fighting the First Order, and may not be capable of being rounded up in short order (maybe its assigned to key systems?).

Meanwhile, the First Order, which at first seemed insignificant in the grand scheme of things, is led by a super-powerful force guy (snoke, perhaps Darth Pelagius), who has mustered the resources to make a go at another insane superweapon But the Republic is not aware of this, since the base is secret and the FO probably won't let them get near it and they aren't trying hard enough to do so.

So the Republic is basicaly fighting an unofficial proxy war through Leah's Resistance, which is tiny, but capable. By the time they realize the full threat of the FO, its too late.