All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

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4. Laura Dern is a WTF level of horrible character. Hey, why don't you just TELL Poe what your plans are instead of enabling a mutiny?
This is a puzzling complaint to me. Sometimes characters make wrong / stupid decisions. Kind of like people. I've seen a lot of complaints that the Resistance leaders used shoddy military strategy. So what?

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Did you learn to swim in less than 36 hours after seeing a body of water for the first time in your life?
I don't think she actually swims in that scene. I thought it was an underwater-entering-an-upside-down-dimension thing like in Pirates 3.

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When their backs are up against the wall and cooler heads to to prevail for the fate of the galaxy to be preserved?

But yeah it doesn't rank in my top ten of complaints for the film. Dern's character is still a total joke though. Completely unnecessary.
 

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But yeah it doesn't rank in my top ten of complaints for the film. Dern's character is still a total joke though. Completely unnecessary.
I think that's TBD. She was a tool in Poe's character arc, so I think we need to see Episode IX Poe before we can judge.

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Mark Hamill, democrat and Trump hater, even agrees that this is not his Luke Skywalker! It's not politics! https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-hamill-last-jedi-luke-skywalker_us_5a3cf644e4b025f99e16864d

That quote has been taken completely out of context. He's talking about how he felt about it after first reading the script. He goes on to talk about how wrong he was.

He's clarified that point multiple times on Twitter, because people that don't like the film keep trying to use it and misquote him.

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That quote has been taken completely out of context. He's talking about how he felt about it after first reading the script. He goes on to talk about how wrong he was.



He's clarified that point multiple times on Twitter, because people that don't like the film keep trying to use it and misquote him.



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But when has the Huffington Post ever taken something out of context?
 

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That quote has been taken completely out of context. He's talking about how he felt about it after first reading the script. He goes on to talk about how wrong he was.

He's clarified that point multiple times on Twitter, because people that don't like the film keep trying to use it and misquote him.

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Nah, he wasn’t told by studio execs that he had to publicly recant or anything like that. Nah
 

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MH thought what he thought, and said what he said.

It wasn't taken out of context. It was just used as ammo that he didn't like the movie, which he apparently does. It is ammo, however, that Luke Skywalker was fundamentally re-formulated in this movie.

MH felt the same thing others did. He just came around and is fine with the new direction of SW, because that's how he roles. He's not a true believer and never has been. And he certainly doesn't want to be the spokesman for a bunch of mouth-breathing dudes like me who are throwing shade on the film and his friends. That is not his style.

Here is another example of a reviewer, a feminist, who saw exactly what some of us mouth-breathers saw. Only she loved it for the reasons we thought it was lame. It goes to show that, whether they ultimately ruin the movie or not, the themes were there and the criticisms were made in good faith:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is the first truly feminist Star Wars film - here's why
 
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Nah, he wasn’t told by studio execs that he had to publicly recant or anything like that. Nah

So he was only telling the truth for the first half of the original comment? Or did Disney execs step in in between his sentences? If you read the full comment it's clear what he was saying, he didn't change it after the fact. He didn't recant anything.
 
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This sums up my thoughts pretty good. Nice to see I am not totally insane with all the hating going on.
 
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Nah, he wasn’t told by studio execs that he had to publicly recant or anything like that. Nah

If you know anything about Mark Hammill (or Carrie Fisher either) its he dont give a shit about movie execs or the Hollywood bureaucracy. He has always done and said his own thing.
 

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Fake news. The reason for the huge decline is because literally everyone went and saw it on opening weekend that wanted to see it.

Pointing to the second-weekend decline as a point of “failure” is laughable when you look at the other films on that top-ten list... all smashing successes lol.

It's relative. TLJ had a similar opening weekend to TFA. (Great, to put it mildly)

But, terrible WOM has led to a huge drop. At this point TLJ will be lucky to reach 2/3's of TFA performance.

IMO would be surprised if Rian still gets his trilogy.
 

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IMO would be surprised if Rian still gets his trilogy.

I don't agree with this. He shifted the trajectory and tone of the story, which is uncomfortable for OT fans, but unique and fresh for the younger generation. Like some of us have commented, TLJ is far from great, but it was still awesome is some instances.
 

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Finally saw it today, not really impressed... the Skywalker Saga is dying from the same hubris Luke bemoaned hampering the Jedi in the film.

I'm looking forward to the side story movies much more moving forward...
 

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It's relative. TLJ had a similar opening weekend to TFA. (Great, to put it mildly)

But, terrible WOM has led to a huge drop. At this point TLJ will be lucky to reach 2/3's of TFA performance.

IMO would be surprised if Rian still gets his trilogy.

Agreed. You should expect them to quietly announce “creative differences” with Johnson at some point in the next few months. Sadly, that’s not enough punishment for him, but it is what it is.
 

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I'm looking forward to the side story movies much more moving forward...

The word on “Solo” is that it’s not looking good. But similar stuff was said about Rogue One, and it’s a keeper. It might also be backpedalaling based on the TLJ debacle.
 

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Watched “Rogue One” last night, I think my third time seeing it... every time I watch it, it moves up the list for me. Such a well-done movie IMO.

Concerns over connecting to the characters should be offset by maintaining perspective on the context of the film... these are people in the middle of a war, and we are dropped into the story right as their paths all collide. Their characterization is filled in by their reactions to what is happening, and by their actions as the story progresses.

I know what Cassian is like based on his first few scenes, ditto with Jyn... to see them embrace major change over 2.5 hours for the sake of doing what is right, and knowing full well how it will turn out without hesitation... it’s wonderful and tragic.

The movie is beautiful as hell, too. When they hit Jedha with the Death Star test, and the officers are on the bridge watching the cloud of destruction bloom in the atmosphere... whoooo that was beautiful. Ditto the setting on Scarif in general.

I also still get jacked up when Raddus calls for a blockade runner to ram the star destroyer, and then the star destroyer slices through the other one like a knife.

I also developed a greater appreciation for the guerilla warfare on Scarif, and thought it was really well done when they showed the ground forces celebrating the arrival of rebel bombers on the moon’s surface. It felt like a genuine reaction that you would see from the outnumbered and outgunned rebels, relief and joy all rolled into one with the danger still lurking.
 

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Watched “Rogue One” last night, I think my third time seeing it... every time I watch it, it moves up the list for me. Such a well-done movie IMO.

Concerns over connecting to the characters should be offset by maintaining perspective on the context of the film... these are people in the middle of a war, and we are dropped into the story right as their paths all collide. Their characterization is filled in by their reactions to what is happening, and by their actions as the story progresses.

I know what Cassian is like based on his first few scenes, ditto with Jyn... to see them embrace major change over 2.5 hours for the sake of doing what is right, and knowing full well how it will turn out without hesitation... it’s wonderful and tragic.

The movie is beautiful as hell, too. When they hit Jedha with the Death Star test, and the officers are on the bridge watching the cloud of destruction bloom in the atmosphere... whoooo that was beautiful. Ditto the setting on Scarif in general.

I also still get jacked up when Raddus calls for a blockade runner to ram the star destroyer, and then the star destroyer slices through the other one like a knife.

I also developed a greater appreciation for the guerilla warfare on Scarif, and thought it was really well done when they showed the ground forces celebrating the arrival of rebel bombers on the moon’s surface. It felt like a genuine reaction that you would see from the outnumbered and outgunned rebels, relief and joy all rolled into one with the danger still lurking.

This,.. this right here is why my man deserves to have his team in the MLS.
 

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I don't agree with this. He shifted the trajectory and tone of the story, which is uncomfortable for OT fans, but unique and fresh for the younger generation. Like some of us have commented, TLJ is far from great, but it was still awesome is some instances.

What was "unique and fresh" about it? I would grant that for Rogue 1. It's tone felt really different than other SW movies. But what was so unique and fresh about this one?

It was visually incredible for the most part, I loved that. However, kind of like box office receipts go up because of inflation, you expect effects in extremely high budget films to look better and better as technology improves. But RJ certainly passed that test with flying colors (Mary Poppins, the evening gown admiral, space horses, and golden bath robes excluded).

The same vague political themes that it featured are explored in every third movie. Not fresh.

The emphasis on strong female characters is constantly discussed everywhere, all the time. I guess you could say that was fresh in that it took that up a notch, but only in staying with a well-developed trend (not starting one).

Every decent director tries to make his characters multi-dimensional. How did RJ do?

- Leah: fail- she was right about everything at every turn and was just not a good actress. She was literally comatosed for exactly as long as the plot demanded, like a soap opera.

- Luke: fail: This reminded me of Zach Johnson with Superman. Because SM is not morally conflicted, artsy directors think he is boring and have trouble telling a good story with him. They like Batman. Same with Luke. What is the drama if he is not morally conflicted? Well, how about Obi Wan Kenobi having to decide whether to fight Vader, or refuse to kill? For Luke, it could have been non-moral failure and weakness--Snoke and Ren literally out-matched him and he needed to figure out what the heck he was going to do (again, kinda like Yoda and Obi-wan). Anyway, MH did an excellent job, but the character Luke was written so he was wrong about everything, at every turn, and his huge tragic flaw was exactly the flaw that he had already overcame in the original trilogy. Again, the freshness was achieved by simply contradicting the past story.

- Rey- she "struggled" with being alone and a nobody by constantly succeeding in everything she did and mastering the force without training. We get it, she's effortlessly awesome at everything. The biggest reason she needed a back story was to explain why she was so good so fast. Hopefully, the "your parents were drunks" throw-away will be a KR or Snoke deception.

- Kylo: Bad, good, bad, good, bad, good, horrible.

- Poe: caricaturized as man controlled by emotions at every turn so Admiral Hondo and Leah could demonstrate cool, ambitionless, selfless leadership

- Finn: no development

- Rose: inserted for perfect moral compass ("Do you feel bad for leading a stampede through a packed casino? Nope, they all deserved it . . . But don't kill those you hate!"). Also probably a composite of target audience who Disney wants to buy more SW stuff.

- Snoke and Hux: total caricatures

As for the plot, I felt like it was written to defy every expectation, at every turn. Whatever you expect, we'll do the opposite. And the big theme was a contradiction: "We don't win wars by killing those we hate, but by saving those we love!" So why was Hondo's sacrifice noble, but Finn's was not?

I just thought it was cool to look at and kind of fun in a forgettable way if you don't have any interest in the characters previous stories.
 
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- Rey- she "struggled" with being alone and a nobody by constantly succeeding in everything she did and mastering the force without training. We get it, she's effortlessly awesome at everything. The biggest reason she needed a back story was to explain why she was so good so fast. Hopefully, the "your parents were drunks" throw-away will be a KR or Snoke deception.


I'll say it... the actress that plays Rey does a good job but the core character as written is completely uninspiring and boring... I can't wait until the next generation when they take her story arc and kill it off in some completely unflattering way...
 
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So, a question for you all... how did Kylo and Rey force connect at the end of the movie (after Snoke's death) if Snoke was dead? Was Snoke the actual conduit? If so he is likely not dead.
 

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So, a question for you all... how did Kylo and Rey force connect at the end of the movie (after Snoke's death) if Snoke was dead? Was Snoke the actual conduit? If so he is likely not dead.
Several options.

1. Snoke was lying. Something besides Snoke connected Rey and Kylo.

2. Snoke created the Force conduit but didn't need to actively initiate every contact session. Like he bought Rey and Kylo the walkie talkies but they were the ones who (unwittingly) pushed the buttons to talk.

3. Some kind of hangover effect.

4. It was a coincidence. Snoke created the long-distance connections but the Force itself drove the last one, like Luke seeing his friends in danger in Empire.

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Several options.

1. Snoke was lying. Something besides Snoke connected Rey and Kylo.

2. Snoke created the Force conduit but didn't need to actively initiate every contact session. Like he bought Rey and Kylo the walkie talkies but they were the ones who (unwittingly) pushed the buttons to talk.

3. Some kind of hangover effect.

4. It was a coincidence. Snoke created the long-distance connections but the Force itself drove the last one, like Luke seeing his friends in danger in Empire.

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Kylo could have done it. They were not that far away from each other, so it probably wouldn't have been outside of his ability to do it.
 
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