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i enjoy your sarcasm

but in all seriousness i've heard him talk a few times and herman's a cool dude. gotta bright future ahead of him. players seem to like him and he's a pretty good play caller too.
 

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i enjoy your sarcasm

but in all seriousness i've heard him talk a few times and herman's a cool dude. gotta bright future ahead of him. players seem to like him and he's a pretty good play caller too.

Lol as you know I wasn't commenting on him so much as what ESPN finds to be worth reading about.
 

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Seriously... excellent job by Michigan waiting for them to be "former" players to do anything, so the story lead seems less juicy, and then also releasing it on Super Bowl week which is the polar opposite of a "slow news day" where this would likely get much higher billing.

Funniest is how Deadspin hasn't said even a peep on this.

If it was up to Michigan nothing would have been said at all and I really think they were hoping it disappeared. The Michigan Daily acquired a copy of the letter sent to Gibbons house in West Palm Beach, FL. Whats even more a joke is the excuses Hoke used as to why he wasn't around for the OSU game and the BWW Bowl.

What is also funny is that I posted the link to the Washtenaw Watchdog which semi "broke" the story last August. I had never heard of this, or rumour of it, but the MGoBloggisites seemed to know about it and brushed it aside.

I feel greatly for this girl, who was no doubt threatened by members of the football team including Lewan. I hope this is a dose for UM to shut their smug little yappers up, because you know... This doesn't happen at UM.
 

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Key part from story:

"On Nov. 20, 2013, the University’s Office of Student Conflict Resolution signed a document stating that the Office of Institutional Equity determined there was a preponderance of evidence finding former Michigan kicker Brendan Gibbons responsible for an incident of alleged sexual assault in November of 2009. This meant that the University had already decided that Gibbons was — in the eyes of the school — responsible for a sexual misconduct that was deemed “so severe as to create a hostile, offensive or abusive environment,” which led to his eventual expulsion. Yet three days later, on Nov. 23, Gibbons was allowed to play in Michigan’s football game against Iowa. He kicked three extra points for the team."
 
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Bogtrotter07

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And what sanctions for Taylor Lewan, who everyone admits, physically assaulted the girl and threatened to rape her again if she didn't withdraw her charges? Fuck 'em all.

I don't care if we play them again or not; but if we do, I hope we punish them!
 

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Is there any buzz about this in Ann Arbor? Or is everyone keeping quiet about it?

The School of Social Work, where Gibbons was enrolled, is pretty pissed. The SSW is supposed to be a safe place and is basically all female, so most of them are upset. The fact that he was even admitted and the University had knowledge of this is pretty horrifying.

I can say that I have seen Gibbons out at bars downtown in years past and he is a huge douche bag.
 

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The School of Social Work, where Gibbons was enrolled, is pretty pissed. The SSW is supposed to be a safe place and is basically all female, so most of them are upset. The fact that he was even admitted and the University had knowledge of this is pretty horrifying.

I can say that I have seen Gibbons out at bars downtown in years past and he is a huge douche bag.

Is the SSW the graduate program he was enrolled in? Or is that what his undergrad degree was in? Im assuming its his graduate program.

The school absolutely knew what he was being accused of. They hid behind a poorly written policy back in 2009, and never did anything about it until 5 years later, when they claim they could finally justify his dismissal from the school.... What a joke. The school knew all of this, and they let him into the SSW graduate program. I imagine that dept is completely enraged.
 

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Drew Sharp: Michigan must stop hiding in wake of Brendan Gibbons expulsion | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

What are you hiding, Michigan?

It’s time for answers.

Let’s be clear: It’s unfairly premature to suggest a massive conspiracy. But football coach Brady Hoke and athletic director Dave Brandon should offer what they knew and when they knew it regarding the university’s internal investigation of kicker Brendan Gibbons of alleged sexual misconduct in 2009 and his reported expulsion more than four years later. Answers should come to restore some lost credibility and ease suspicions that Michigan football indeed wags the tail of the university.

“Athletics has no influence over sexual misconduct investigations or the academic standing of student-athletes,” said Michigan president Mary Sue Coleman in a statement Friday afternoon, addressing public concerns that the timing of the university’s decision came at the end of Gibbons’ football eligibility.

Coleman’s statement added that university protocol mandated “a thorough and fair handling of any allegations of student sexual misconduct. The University of Michigan takes this responsibility very seriously.”

But at the very least, there are inconsistencies that demand clarification
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Boycott Michigan!

I am serious. How much activism was generated in or around Ann Arbor in the 60's and 70's? Use the same power against the Neanderthal attitudes, of the UM!

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Fuck Michigan.

Now that thats out of the way, Michigan handled this poorly, but not pathetically. From my understanding this case started before Hoke and the policy until recently was that these situations weren't reviewed unless there was charges brought. The reason this case eventually got reviewed and he was separated from the university was because they had to revamp their rules to allow it. From my understanding this case it what eventually forced them to change their previous review rules. The victim in this case made an initial call to the police and basically refused to be a part of the investigation following. Now with all that being said, and in no way am I defending Michigan, it shouldn't have taken 4 years to change the process of reviewing student conduct. And the fact the victim likely didn't cooperate because she was threatened with a future attack if she did, should have held more weight than it did initially. More could have been done from the start, but the eventual results weren't possible in the beginning.
 

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No fucking mercy. Sorry but they didn't hold the hammer back when the Seeburg thing came out. And their player actually raped someone.
 

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No fucking mercy. Sorry but they didn't hold the hammer back when the Seeburg thing came out. And their player actually raped someone.

Most of the football world doesn't see a difference, unfortunately. I've tried to point out on other boards that it was an alleged touching of the breast, however that's still defined as rape and so a lot of other fans lumped the case in with forced penetration. Not condoning the allegations, but to me theres two different degrees of crime in that case. Unfortunately the media blew up the Seeberg case because it was Notre Dame, there was nothing quiet about it like this Michigan scandal.
 
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Most of the football world doesn't see a difference, unfortunately. I've tried to point out on other boards that it was an alleged touching of the breast, however that's still defined as rape and so a lot of other fans lumped the case in with forced penetration. Not condoning the allegations, but to me theres two different degrees of crime in that case. Unfortunately the media blew up the Seeberg case because it was Notre Dame, there was nothing quiet about it like this Michigan scandal.

I'm not familiar with Indiana law but are you sure about that? I'm very skeptical.
 

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I'm not familiar with Indiana law but are you sure about that? I'm very skeptical.

I agree. I'm almost positive that "touching of a breast" is not categorized as rape. Sexual harassment maybe, but not rape.
 

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At worst sexual assault, and considering her story confirms he stopped of his own volition I'd be surprised if it would even amount to that. (assuming her version was 100% true)
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Fuck Michigan.

Now that thats out of the way, Michigan handled this poorly, but not pathetically. From my understanding this case started before Hoke and the policy until recently was that these situations weren't reviewed unless there was charges brought. The reason this case eventually got reviewed and he was separated from the university was because they had to revamp their rules to allow it. From my understanding this case it what eventually forced them to change their previous review rules. The victim in this case made an initial call to the police and basically refused to be a part of the investigation following. Now with all that being said, and in no way am I defending Michigan, it shouldn't have taken 4 years to change the process of reviewing student conduct. And the fact the victim likely didn't cooperate because she was threatened with a future attack if she did, should have held more weight than it did initially. More could have been done from the start, but the eventual results weren't possible in the beginning.

The highlighted portion is where Taylor Lewan, and this has been reported to have been witnessed, hulked over the girl and threatened to rape her if she didn't withdraw her allegations. So where is the investigation of Taylor Lewan? By their old and new rules he is in volation, because in addition to everything else, that qualifies as a felony in Michigan. Fuck Michigan, and all their apologists.

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And as far as the Indiana thing : I talked to an Indiana Attorney, practiced in criminal defense who said a man with an erection, fully clothed, walking up to a woman could be charged and would likely be investigated under this code. That was one legal opinion.

(a) A person who, with intent to arouse or satisfy the person's own sexual desires or the sexual desires of another person, touches another person when that person is: (1) compelled to submit to the touching by force or the imminent threat of force; or (2) so mentally disabled or deficient that consent to the touching cannot be given; commits sexual battery, a Class D felony. (b) An offense described in subsection (a) is a Class C felony if: (1) it is committed by using or threatening the use of deadly force; (2) it is committed while armed with a deadly weapon; or (3) the commission of the offense is facilitated by furnishing the victim, without the victim's knowledge, with a drug (as defined in IC 16-42-19-2(1)) or a controlled substance (as defined in IC 35-48-1-9) or knowing that the victim was furnished with the drug or controlled substance without the victim's knowledge. As added by P.L.322-1987, SEC.2. Amended by P.L.31-1998, SEC.7.

From what I understand, the reason that the ND case was so investigated was the "(2) mentally disabled or deficient" clause, because remember, she committed suicide, which most states legally would allow prosecutors to categorize victims of said as mentally disabled or deficient. Just my 2 cents on an extrapolation; I don't think the ND case would have been investigable if their hadn't been the mental health history in the background.

Further to answer your question, in Indiana a Class B, C, or D felony other than one involving murder has a five year statute of limitations, a misdemeanor has two years, obvious DNA being used for ID exceptions apply.
 
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Most of the football world doesn't see a difference, unfortunately. I've tried to point out on other boards that it was an alleged touching of the breast, however that's still defined as rape and so a lot of other fans lumped the case in with forced penetration.

That's not true. Source: criminal defense lawyer.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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That's what I figured. Not the same thing at all.

Best explanation : remember mental illness and defect makes a victim unaware, and forcible can mean as little as intentionally fondling.

Sexual Battery

In Indiana, a person commits sexual battery by touching the victim in order to arouse or satisfy the defendant (or some other person’s) sexual desires:
•by force or threat of force, or
•when the victim is unable to consent due to a mental disability.

A person can also commit sexual battery by touching the victim sexually when the victim is unaware that the touching is occurring.

(Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-4-8.)

For example, forcibly fondling a person’s breasts would be considered sexual battery, as long as the fondling was sexually motivated. Fondling people while they sleep could also be considered sexual battery.

Criminal sexual conduct that involves physical force may also result in regular battery charges.

For more information on non-sexual battery, see Indiana Battery Laws and Indiana Felony Battery Laws.

Rape

Under Indiana’s laws, a person commits the crime of rape by having sexual intercourse with a person of the opposite sex:
•by force or threat of force
•when the victim is unaware that sexual intercourse is occurring, or
•when the victim is unable to consent because of a mental disability.

(Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-4-1.)

For example, forcing a person to have sex under the threat of physical harm is rape, as is having sex with a person who is so intoxicated that the person does not know what is happening.

Marital rape

In Indiana, rape and other sex crimes between spouses are treated identically to other sex crimes.
 
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