All Things SkunkBear

[Luckylucci]

I know the difference between a spread and a read option offense. There was a lot of debate leading up to the NCG whether he was a spread Qb or not and most fell on the side that he wasn't quite there yet. Mainly due to his lack of rushing yards that a QB should have in a spread - not a read option.

In a traditional spread it has nothing to do with the QB running. Because the defense gets spread out the QB will be given lanes to run through but the purpose of the zone read is to utilize the QB's running ability. The purpose of the spread is to do just that, spread out the defense and usually it means getting the ball in space to playmakers that aren't the QB.

 

[phork]

Don't know if Nuss would be the right guy at ND, but you can't agrue with what he did with the Bama offense... unless your Lane of course.

You mean you can't argue with how he ran Saban's playbook? Dear Robot is known not to stray too far from his Book.

Then what's he waiting on? Bama had more of a spread offense than ND this season.

Golson shit the bed. Rees is no where near what he needed to run his offense. I expect that this year the offense will open up and we'll finally have an idea of what Kelly has been working on and brewing in the lab. Another year with a non-exciting offense will make me angry.

 

[ThePiombino]

Would have been a dream come true for ND Nation.

LMAO, they would finally get their fullback..well.....back.

 

[ThePiombino]

Can you say Pride issue.

Orrrr Kelly's a spread coach??

Lets be real here if you thought this was the boring offense we would get when kelly was hired you are lying.

Must we have the personnel debate AGAIN?!

I never said we should have hired him.

The comment was made that Alabama's OC wanted to Change to much Hence Kelly not wanting to change.

Why would a SPREAD coach change away from his SPREAD offense when he FINALLY has his personnel in place?!?!?!

Not to mention that offense SMOKED us in the National Championship game.

Great sample size.

The fact he won't hire other offensive mind coaches speaks for itself.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Are you trolling on purpose or are you just having a bad week?

 

[Ironman8]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="http://t.co/YyF3qwYCb2">http://t.co/YyF3qwYCb2</a> RT <a href="https://twitter.com/MockingTheDraft">@MockingTheDraft</a>: According to Michigan, Taylor Lewan didn't allow a sack in 2013.</p>— Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/421661507093823488">January 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="http://t.co/YyF3qwYCb2">http://t.co/YyF3qwYCb2</a> RT <a href="https://twitter.com/MockingTheDraft">@MockingTheDraft</a>: According to Michigan, Taylor Lewan didn't allow a sack in 2013.</p>— Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/statuses/421661507093823488">January 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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HAHAHAHAHA WHAT!?!?! Got abused out there... repeatedly...

 

[Ironman8]

HAHAHAHAHA WHAT!?!?! Got abused out there... repeatedly...

BREAKING: According to Notre Dame, Tommy Rees didn't throw an interception in 2013.

 

[IrishLax]

I'll pay someone 10 real dollars and all of my vBucks to put together a montage right now of all the sacks Lewan allowed + all the times he got beat. I think there were 2-3 in the MSU game alone.

 

[PANDFAN]

Lewan is a semifinalist for the Rotary Lombardi Award, the Wolverines' offensive captain did not allow a sack during the 2013 regular season on his way to being recognized as the Big Ten's top offensive lineman. - Michigan football

 

[Riddickulous]

In other news, Lewan set an NCAA record for uncalled holding penalties with 756.

 

[phork]

In other news, Lewan set an NCAA record for uncalled holding penalties with 756.

This. Not to mention the Douchecanoe award for trying to twist an MSU players helmet off while the MSU guy was on the ground.

 

[palinurus]

This. Not to mention the Douchecanoe award for trying to twist an MSU players helmet off while the MSU guy was on the ground.

Yes, and a dozen or so uncalled hands to the face and uncalled dirty Flozell Adams-type dives at rushers' knees. What a shameless fiction they are peddling.

 

[palinurus]

BREAKING: According to Notre Dame, Tommy Rees didn't throw an interception in 2014.

FIFY

 

[philipm31]

I was just giving a an example of a fact. You took it personal. I already explained what was wrong in your confusing of the differing spread offenses. Golson is a pro style QB with a big live arm who can extend plays, make every kind of throw, and run for a few yards and go out of bounds or slide when he needs to. No PM needed. Peace out.

You just contradicted yourself, my friend.

You jjust said EG is a PRO STYLE QB....which means that he is NOT a true spread QB.

That does not mean that you cannot run a spread offense with him, but that EG is not a prototypical spread QB.

#JustSaying

 

[philipm31]

See. This guy gets it. This is why guys like Johnny Football, RG3, Mariota, Vick (not very accurate arm, but when he was on he was unstoppable), Braxton Miller (even though Urban has developed more running concepts for Miller than say he used with his QBs at BGSU or Smith at Utah) are so dangerous in OG spread offenses. Because if they get loose they can outrun people for TDs even if it was a passing play.

Every one of those QBs that you mentioned all have better arms AND legs than EG does/did, so comparing him to them is HUGELY unfair.

The biggest factor that made those offenses so difficult to defend is that the QBs were TRUE dual threats. EG can run when he has to do so, but not nearly as often or as effectively as those QBs that you mentoned.

Also, proper and quick decision making skills are probably even more paramount for a QB like EG who is not nearly the running threat those guys were/are.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Every one of those QBs that you mentioned all have better arms AND legs than EG does/did, so comparing him to them is HUGELY unfair.

The biggest factor that made those offenses so difficult to defend is that the QBs were TRUE dual threats. EG can run when he has to do so, but not nearly as often or as effectively as those QBs that you mentoned.

Also, proper and quick decision making skills are probably even more paramount for a QB like EG who is not nearly the running threat those guys were/are.

My point about EG not being a spread QB was moreso based on the fact that the Irish offense under him looked pretty traditional to me. TJ and DD wide, two TE set, with Eifert running the seam route. I didn't see a whole lot of spread going on then. Maybe EG is a spread QB but what do I know?

 

[Wild Bill]

My point about EG not being a spread QB was moreso based on the fact that the Irish offense under him looked pretty traditional to me. TJ and DD wide, two TE set, with Eifert running the seam route. I didn't see a whole lot of spread going on then. Maybe EG is a spread QB but what do I know?

IMO, more to do with Kelly refusing to take off the training wheels than EG's skill set.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Not to mention that offense SMOKED us in the National Championship game.

Yea, if we had an offensive line with 2 top 11 overall players, another future 1st rounder, a 4th rounder all american and one more NFL quality o-lineman, oh and by the way a future NFL offensive rookie of the year, I would expect that.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Every one of those QBs that you mentioned all have better arms AND legs than EG does/did, so comparing him to them is HUGELY unfair.

The biggest factor that made those offenses so difficult to defend is that the QBs were TRUE dual threats. EG can run when he has to do so, but not nearly as often or as effectively as those QBs that you mentoned.

Also, proper and quick decision making skills are probably even more paramount for a QB like EG who is not nearly the running threat those guys were/are.

I never compared any of those guys to Golson. I clearly said that is why guys like these are so dangerous in spread offenses. Golson has a pro style tag because he isn't a traditional running QB, obviously. Doesn't mean he isn't perfect for an OG spread which isn't based on running. It's funny though, because I already said all this in all my posts that you quoted. Isn't that funny? You're as bad as the Bama fan.

Also you think everyone on that list has a better arm than Golson? Kid has a fucking cannon. I'd take Golson's arm over Mariota's all day. Especially in an offense that isn't Gus Malzahn's or Chip Kelly's.

 

[irishfanjho15]

You just contradicted yourself, my friend.

You jjust said EG is a PRO STYLE QB....which means that he is NOT a true spread QB.

That does not mean that you cannot run a spread offense with him, but that EG is not a prototypical spread QB.

#JustSaying

You serious? Just stop ok? QBs are usually grouped into two categories as recruits: Pro Style or Dual-Threat. This whole convo has been about Golson having to run or not. You connecting the dots? An arbitrary tag doesn't dictate whether Golson is a prototypical player for Kelly's brand of the spread. He's a prototype because of the reasons I listed.

Nice hashtag you stooge.

 

[Wild Bill]

Scout.com: Michigan Moving Up with 4-star RB Jeff Jones

 

[IrishSteelhead]

 

[DillonHall]

You jjust said EG is a PRO STYLE QB....which means that he is NOT a true spread QB.

#JustSaying

You obviously don't understand the difference between a generic spread offense and a spread option offense.

 

[phork]

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[philipm31]

I never compared any of those guys to Golson. I clearly said that is why guys like these are so dangerous in spread offenses. Golson has a pro style tag because he isn't a traditional running QB, obviously. Doesn't mean he isn't perfect for an OG spread which isn't based on running. It's funny though, because I already said all this in all my posts that you quoted. Isn't that funny? You're as bad as the Bama fan.

Also you think everyone on that list has a better arm than Golson? Kid has a fucking cannon. I'd take Golson's arm over Mariota's all day. Especially in an offense that isn't Gus Malzahn's or Chip Kelly's.

I said that they all had better ARMS AND LEGS....BOTH. Golson has a cannon but not anywhere near the speed, which is WHY those three are PROTOTYPICAL spread QBs and he is NOT. Notice, I did not say that Golson could not be successful in the offense, just that he is NOT the prototypical spread QB and those guys are.

I mean, honestly, Nick Marshall, who does NOT have the cannon that Golson has and Foles were both VERY successful in the spread, but they are not prototypical QBs for the spread, either.

Your reading comprehension needs a bit of work, my friend.

 

[phork]

Damien Harris (arguably #1 RB Recruit in 2015) Has decommitted.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark__Snyder">@Mark__Snyder</a>: UM FB official confirms Rawls, Richard Ash and Josh Furman have left the program</p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/427182000668028929">January 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

It's crazy to look at how bad Michigan is/was and that they basically held on to their entire class. Why? Because they recruited almost primarily the Midwest or mid-Atlantic or non-traditional areas without a tie to a home power program. Only one guy in their entire class... Mason Cole... was a guy they plucked from the south who had offers from the big time home state schools.

We tried to grab 8 players from either Cali or SEC country who had "big time" offers. 2 already decommitted, and a 3rd is basically imminent.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

It's crazy to look at how bad Michigan is/was and that they basically held on to their entire class. Why? Because they recruited almost primarily the Midwest or mid-Atlantic or non-traditional areas without a tie to a home power program. Only one guy in their entire class... Mason Cole... was a guy they plucked from the south who had offers from the big time home state schools.



We tried to grab 8 players from either Cali or SEC country who had "big time" offers. 2 already decommitted, and a 3rd is basically imminent.

I hear what you are saying, but that's why their class is not a top 10 class.


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[IrishLax]

I hear what you are saying, but that's why their class is not a top 10 class.


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Yeah, it's interesting. Does the payoff justify the risks? So many Cali/southern guys who flame out pre- or post-LOI because they don't have their heads on straight. BUT even if you lose half of those guys, you end up with quite a few gems.

Do the holes caused by flame outs outweigh the premier players who do sign? I'm not sure.