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[johnnykillz]

In that case, lock and load the MK4 Eifert Torpedos.

Someone will rise to the occasion. Look out.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Thanks, interesting read. I think the writer underestimates our RB's we have more than just CWood, and GA, but he is right is we can't provide a deep threat at WR teams will just load the box and our run game will be stifled.

That may be the stupidest point ever made, that we have no deep threat. We have two wide receivers that no one will be able to cover anywhere anytime, especially Michigan with there very speedy four foot corners. We will see!

(Please watch the spring video again and keep your eyes open in fall ball.

 

[phork]

That may be the stupidest point ever made, that we have no deep threat. We have two wide receivers that no one will be able to cover anywhere anytime, especially Michigan with there very speedy four foot corners. We will see!

(Please watch the spring video again and keep your eyes open in fall ball.

Floyd came back?

 

[NDinL.A.]

That may be the stupidest point ever made, that we have no deep threat. We have two wide receivers that no one will be able to cover anywhere anytime, especially Michigan with there very speedy four foot corners. We will see!

(Please watch the spring video again and keep your eyes open in fall ball.

Sorry bogs, but that's not even a stupid point, much less the stupidest point ever made. RIGHT NOW, we don't have a proven deep threat. If I'm looking at ND from another coach's point of view, I'm saying that ND doesn't have a deep threat. Seriously, what proven deep threat do we have? TJ Jones got behind the defense for one catch his freshman year; other than that, nothing. Goodman - nope. And anyone else is a freshman, and they're not proven, no matter how good their high school tape is. So that reporter isn't very far off at all.

Matter of fact, your point that "two wide receivers that no one will be able to cover anywhere anytime" could be construed by a fan from another team as the stupidest point ever made, unless Floyd and Tate somehow gain an extra year of eligibility. (Actually, it's just one of the most outrageous examples of hyperbole written on this site in years.) Seriously, who are these 2 receivers? And please don't say the spring game is an example of why. The spring game means very little. We've all seen spring game all-stars that turn out to be real game bench warmers, and our receivers in that game went against very pedestrian corners with very little real game success (Bennet Jackson barely played). And we can all cite examples of high school all-stars that are big-time busts, so no one can say those guys are un-coverable.

Sorry Bogs, but I can't get with your argument here.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

What posiition does Tyler Eifert play?

 

[beryirish]

^I would throw Eifert in the mix for that even though he is a TE but still our best catcher coming back. Like you said LA not proven but I think Davonte will fit the bill during the season and I have high hopes for Davaris.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No, my question was specific: what position does Tyler Eifert play? Because that is the key.

Sorry bogs, but that's not even a stupid point, much less the stupidest point ever made. RIGHT NOW, we don't have a proven deep threat. If I'm looking at ND from another coach's point of view, I'm saying that ND doesn't have a deep threat. Seriously, what proven deep threat do we have? TJ Jones got behind the defense for one catch his freshman year; other than that, nothing. Goodman - nope. And anyone else is a freshman, and they're not proven, no matter how good their high school tape is. So that reporter isn't very far off at all.

Matter of fact, your point that "two wide receivers that no one will be able to cover anywhere anytime" could be construed by a fan from another team as the stupidest point ever made, unless Floyd and Tate somehow gain an extra year of eligibility. (Actually, it's just one of the most outrageous examples of hyperbole written on this site in years.) Seriously, who are these 2 receivers? And please don't say the spring game is an example of why. The spring game means very little. We've all seen spring game all-stars that turn out to be real game bench warmers, and our receivers in that game went against very pedestrian corners with very little real game success (Bennet Jackson barely played). And we can all cite examples of high school all-stars that are big-time busts, so no one can say those guys are un-coverable.

Some of the bolded I didn't understand. For example if it is not even a stupid point, much less the stupidist point ever, what is it a danish? See? It is easy to miss anyones point. I also don't understand the need to put someone down without asking questions to make sure that the person's point is correctly understood. Beyond trolls and in self defense, I don't see much reasons to ever go off on anyone. If someone is exhibiting sheer stupidity, maybe. Otherwise, ask questions.

Last night someone attacked my point on another thread by criticizing it and insulting me personally with out taking the time to understand my point: I likened their method to "eating herring and onions and then going to a crowded party and close talking someone."

I mentioned Eifert because I heard Chuck Martin say, "No one in America can cover him." He is an expert at grabbing balls in the back of the enzone and in the corners. Look at how many balls he had going away compared to other receivers last year . . . And Scott Booker also said no one could cover him, I heard him say it as I saw Chuck Martin say it on tape. And this years scheme makes it even more difficult on him. And sourcing Chuck Martin, I know there are a lot of people in this site that think they are very knowledgable, and they are. But no three of us know what that man has forgotten. (One)

Philip Daniels.* It has been soft shoed, a little, but the guy has amazing gifts. The key point is that he has learned to use his body so much better. In the UA game, he did neither use his body or time things well. The spring game showed how effective that reeducation program has gone. I would call him (two.)

There are a number that are close, and with a TE and 2TE's may excell. Riddick, GAIII, and CW, the backfield contingent have as good of a chance as any with this new scheme. AC did it extremely well for SC last year from the tape I saw. Remember, blocking will be different with 2TE's. Why does nobody get that? And who is going to cover them? (dont be surprised if at times, with two tight ends, the running back splits out wide in motion, leaving an empty backfield.)

Slot wr. Besides George Atkinson only guy who can bust a game open. Oregon and sc and west virgina have about ten of those guys. Needs be wr. If he wants to play corner sometimes by all means.

The above quote was about Neal playing on offense. I know nobody has ever seen him play a down of college football, but after watching his athleticism, I think you have to say, "hmmm!" Ever see his touchdown where he does the summersault on a contested ball and the ball goes nowhere while the defenders sluff off? This kid has NFL ready abilitys, and just needs to grow into the workload. But five touches a game, could be dangerous.

* Damnable that nobody bit at my Phillip vs. DeVaris. Whet good is it all?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Sadly, it seems as if our best chance at a "deep threat" is our TE down the seam and an incoming Freshman that Kelly is considering the possibility of playing defense. I should probably throw in Chris Brown too.

 

[condoms SUCk]

That may be the stupidest point ever made, that we have no deep threat. We have two wide receivers that no one will be able to cover anywhere anytime, especially Michigan with there very speedy four foot corners. We will see!

(Please watch the spring video again and keep your eyes open in fall ball.

In my opinion, a deep threat is a WR who plays on the outside and forces the D to roll coverage to their side of the field, which opens up the middle and keeps the S’s honest. Yes we have some skilled WR's (Davaris, Davonte) I will give you that but they are unproven or haven’t even stepped on the field yet. Goodie and TJ have been decent, but not home run material. Eifert is a TE who will line up as a WR in some formations, but I just don’t see him running a fly or a deep post every play.

 

[NDinL.A.]

No, my question was specific: what position does Tyler Eifert play? Because that is the key.



Some of the bolded I didn't understand. Beyond trolls and in self defense, I don't see much reasons to ever go off on anyone. If someone is exhibiting sheer stupidity, maybe. Otherwise, ask questions.

Philip Daniels. It has been soft shoed, a little, but the guy has amazing gifts. The key point is that he has learned to use his body so much better. In the UA game, he did neither use his body or time things well. The spring game showed how effective that reeducation program has gone. I would call him (two.)

There are a number that are close, and with a TE and 2TE's may excell. Riddick, GAIII, and CW, the backfield contingent have as good of a chance as any with this new scheme. AC did it extremely well for SC last year from the tape I saw. Remember, blocking will be different with 2TE's. Why does nobody get that? And who is going to cover them? (dont be surprised if at times, with two tight ends, the running back splits out wide in motion, leaving an empty backfield.)

1. You call my post 'going off' on you??? Dude, I just disagreed. And I still think it was extreme hyperbole, to the point that I almost thought you were joking.

2. A lot of us don't have time to sift through posts and ask questions before responding to everything we want to debate. You're asking for way too much. You said that ND has 2 WIDE RECEIVERS that nobody can guard, and I argued against that point.

3. TE plays tight end. You know that. Yes, he'll split out from time to time, but he is a TE. And he's not a great deep threat that will blow by people like a Golden Tate. There are times when we might be able to throw it deep to him and take advantage of his immense talent, but he is not a wide receiver who is a deep threat.

4. How can you say that Davaris Daniels is uncoverable????? When has he done it in a game? Sh!t, even in the spring game there were times when he was covered. And per reports, the kid has a major problem with consistency. Yes, he is talented, and HOPEFULLY he will be proven to be uncoverable, but right now, how can anyone say that? Seriously, if a Michigan fan told you they had 2 wide receivers who nobody in the nation could cover, we'd all laugh at them.

There's probably ONE team in the nation that can say what you said, and that's USC, with Robert Woods and Marquise Lee. Now THOSE dudes are uncoverable, and they proved it on the field.

5. We don't have anyone else who is 'close'. Sorry, but it's true. No one else has proven sh!t on the college football field. Do you realize what you said? That we have 2 wide receivers that cannot be covered? How can you say that we have guys that are 'close' to being oncoverable, when NO ONE has done anything remotely close to that on the field?

Love your passion and enthusiasm for the Irish, but I think you're letting your love for ND cloud your judgement here big-time.

 

[Irish Fam]

Its fair to group Eifert with the WRs this year. If anything his position title is more TE/WR than TE.

And if we are hoping to keep Safeties from moving up into the box, I can't think of a better way than running our All American TE up the seam.

Think Kyle Rudolph running up the seam against Michigan a couple years ago. Safeties cheat up and they get burned... big time.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Nobody bit on the Phillip Daniels thing, oh crap!

So, NDinLA I think you have to relent up on your Eifert is a tight end (only) thing. He is uncoverable. And that is all you need. The whole point is that teams are going to load the box on us. I really believe they will. And I really believe that won't matter. We are going to run where we are going to run. And we are going to through to the mismatch over the top, across the middle, where ever. I can think of nothing better to solve this question with this seasons performance. I believe this year, as opposed to forever, we can make a team pay for playing up. Even with Michael Floyd last year we couldn't! Because he was it.

You are right. My whole initial point, (unshared) was that Michigan, above all other schools should not speak of a deep threat. Periodouble-d.

Besides, this whole conversation is absolutely QB driven. I watched the receivers from a lot of other teams last year. I was as impressed by WF as much as anyone, (USC included). And I think any of them with Tommy Rees at qb would have looked as bad or worse than the Irish. I am hoping that the real point is that we get a fully opperational quarterback this year who really helps the young talent out.

Michigan. Whotheygot?

And ND, here is one more reason you thought my point was beyond stupit' to the point of hyperbole", conflation. My post was directed at the following:

Thanks, interesting read. I think the writer underestimates our RB's we have more than just CWood, and GA, but he is right is we can't provide a deep threat at WR teams will just load the box and our run game will be stifled.

So, see? I wasn't talking about USC or Wake Forest. Just a deep threat. That's all!

 

[ab2cmiller]

Nobody bit on the Phillip Daniels thing, oh crap!

So, NDinLA I think you have to relent up on your Eifert is a tight end (only) thing. He is uncoverable. And that is all you need. The whole point is that teams are going to load the box on us. I really believe they will. And I really believe that won't matter. We are going to run where we are going to run. And we are going to through to the mismatch over the top, across the middle, where ever. I can think of nothing better to solve this question with this seasons performance. I believe this year, as opposed to forever, we can make a team pay for playing up. Even with Michael Floyd last year we couldn't! Because he was it.

You are right. My whole initial point, (unshared) was that Michigan, above all other schools should not speak of a deep threat. Periodouble-d.

Besides, this whole conversation is absolutely QB driven. I watched the receivers from a lot of other teams last year. I was as impressed by WF as much as anyone, (USC included). And I think any of them with Tommy Rees at qb would have looked as bad or worse than the Irish. I am hoping that the real point is that we get a fully opperational quarterback this year who really helps the young talent out.

Michigan. Whotheygot?

And ND, here is one more reason you thought my point was beyond stupit' to the point of hyperbole", conflation. My post was directed at the following:



So, see? I wasn't talking about USC or Wake Forest. Just a deep threat. That's all!

If you were a newbie, you would've been crucified for the Philip Daniels thing. We knew what you meant, so nobody thought it was a big deal.

I agree with your point about the QB. You can have a multitude of WR's that are deep threats, but if you have a QB that can't get it to them deep, then in reality you have no deep threat at all.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

But why? I did that on purpose, because I thought someone would jump. Why get better treatment?

Wow, I just looked up hyperbole, "Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech." I never do that! NDinLA, whatever are you bespeaking?

Just looking for a little tussle on a M thread, late June, going on July, the longest month, and no tussle to be had!

 

[NDhoosier]

I know he isnt proven, so LA's point still stands, but I think DaVaris will be our deep threat this year. Neal is more of a screen guy in my opinion, not really a deep threat unless he is on a wheel route or something.

 

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[condoms SUCk]

I guess for me, I won't speak for others, but I look at our WR's and don't see a reliable proven WR that can stretch the field. I don't count Eifert as we really don't have an idea of how BK is going to use him. I don't want to know about what the young guys CAN do, I want to SEE them do it.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Nobody bit on the Phillip Daniels thing, oh crap!

So, NDinLA I think you have to relent up on your Eifert is a tight end (only) thing. He is uncoverable. And that is all you need. The whole point is that teams are going to load the box on us. I really believe they will. And I really believe that won't matter. We are going to run where we are going to run. And we are going to through to the mismatch over the top, across the middle, where ever. I can think of nothing better to solve this question with this seasons performance. I believe this year, as opposed to forever, we can make a team pay for playing up. Even with Michael Floyd last year we couldn't! Because he was it.

You are right. My whole initial point, (unshared) was that Michigan, above all other schools should not speak of a deep threat. Periodouble-d.

Besides, this whole conversation is absolutely QB driven. I watched the receivers from a lot of other teams last year. I was as impressed by WF as much as anyone, (USC included). And I think any of them with Tommy Rees at qb would have looked as bad or worse than the Irish. I am hoping that the real point is that we get a fully opperational quarterback this year who really helps the young talent out.

Michigan. Whotheygot?

And ND, here is one more reason you thought my point was beyond stupit' to the point of hyperbole", conflation. My post was directed at the following:



So, see? I wasn't talking about USC or Wake Forest. Just a deep threat. That's all!

There's nothing to relent on...I agree wholeheartedly that Eifert is unguardable. He's just not a WR. He's a TE who can play WR, but to your first point that there are 2 unguardable WRs on our roster, I disagreed b/c Eifert isn't a WR. I also agree that he's not just a TE.

And I agree big-time on the QB thing. You can't strecth the field when your QB can't get it there. However, you can have Jimmy Clausen back there slinging it, but we still don't have any proven deep threats. Hopefully Davaris, TJ and, Brown, Neal and Co. can make me eat my words.

HOWEVER, dude, Wake Forest's wideouts pale in comparison to USC's 2 beasts. I'm see em live and on TV, and both those guys are simply unguardable and on a completely different level than the rest of most of college football. WF's guys are nice, but not USC's level. Woods and Lee and both 1st rounders as juniors - that's sick...

 

[beryirish]

There's nothing to relent on...I agree wholeheartedly that Eifert is unguardable. He's just not a WR. He's a TE who can play WR, but to your first point that there are 2 unguardable WRs on our roster, I disagreed b/c Eifert isn't a WR. I also agree that he's not just a TE.

And I agree big-time on the QB thing. You can't strecth the field when your QB can't get it there. However, you can have Jimmy Clausen back there slinging it, but we still don't have any proven deep threats. Hopefully Davaris, TJ and, Brown, Neal and Co. can make me eat my words.

HOWEVER, dude, Wake Forest's wideouts pale in comparison to USC's 2 beasts. I'm see em live and on TV, and both those guys are simply unguardable and on a completely different level than the rest of most of college football. WF's guys are nice, but not USC's level. Woods and Lee and both 1st rounders as juniors - that's sick...

Imagine if Prater panned out to his expectations and Farmer is still to be determined....sick..more like disgusting....either going to have to have mad pressure on Barkley or we will have to drop 10 players to cover those guys.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

There's nothing to relent on...I agree wholeheartedly that Eifert is unguardable. He's just not a WR. He's a TE who can play WR, but to your first point that there are 2 unguardable WRs on our roster, I disagreed b/c Eifert isn't a WR. I also agree that he's not just a TE.

And I agree big-time on the QB thing. You can't strecth the field when your QB can't get it there. However, you can have Jimmy Clausen back there slinging it, but we still don't have any proven deep threats. Hopefully Davaris, TJ and, Brown, Neal and Co. can make me eat my words.

HOWEVER, dude, Wake Forest's wideouts pale in comparison to USC's 2 beasts. I'm see em live and on TV, and both those guys are simply unguardable and on a completely different level than the rest of most of college football. WF's guys are nice, but not USC's level. Woods and Lee and both 1st rounders as juniors - that's sick...

So our only point of contention anywhere is whether Tyler Eifert is a Tight end or a wide receiver?

"Only players in the backfield or the ends on the line are eligible to catch a forward pass. The two players who begin play at the ends of the offensive line are eligible receivers, as are all players in the backfield. The backs and ends who are relatively near the sidelines are referred to as "wide" receivers. At the start of play, one wide receiver may begin play in the backfield, at least a yard behind the line of scrimmage . . . "

I guess we need to say both, because I only counted him lining up much more often in the backfield and wide than at a typical tight end position.

Two bets I am willing to make: They get the h-back working with Eifert, too; and, Eifert and another tight end, or two, really alows us to send someone deep, and in fact pulls any team out of staking players up on the line of scrimmage.

Wake Forrest did in with numbers, they had four or five guys as I remember that could motor; and wouldn't it be funny if the dynamic duo didn't have quite as great a season this year?

 

[IrishLax]

Here's what I hate about prognostication....

Coming into 2005 analysts expected us to go 0-6 or at best 1-5 against an monstrous opening slate of games that looked downright impossible. I'm not making this up; their is tons of video on Youtube of people making these projections. You could've said "ND has no deep threat. Their offense has been horrible and none of their receivers have proven anything. The best returning receiver had 313 yards and one TD last year. Their other receiver is some goofy looking white guy from Indiana who has done nothing in his first couple seasons and only had 274 yards last year... didn't even score a TD." Instead we went 10-2 en route to a BCS bowl and Maurice Stovall/Jeff Samardzija lit it up. For all we know TJ Jones, who has been seriously hampered by injuries his first two years, is about to tear it up. John Goodman = Jeff Samardizja? Who knows! Between the crop of Davonte Neal, DaVaris Daniels, TJ Jones, John Goodman, and Chris Brown who's to say someone doesn't step up and become a big time playmaker?

AT THE SAME TIME THE EXACT OPPOSITE CAN HAPPEN! In 2011 we came in ranked #16 wit ha supposed "easy" schedule and finished unranked. USC was MUCH better than expected. Michigan went from unranked to an 11-2 season. We had a RIDICULOUS amount of turnovers AND bad luck.

So while I enjoy people sharing their projections and discussing expectations... there's just no way to know who's right until the games are played. ND might have a deep threat; we also might not. Our OL could play great and our RBs could be awesome; or we could have a rash of injuries and implode. Just gonna have to let the chips fall where they may.

 

[johnnykillz]

 

[NYIrish14]

Top guard David Dawson remembers his father as he prepares for The Opening - ESPNHS

Sad story. I will be rooting for the kid. Hope he performs well this weekend.

 

[STLDomer]

Apparently David Dawson has been hanging out with UF commits and not with UM commits and wil now take a visit to Florida...

 

[STLDomer]

Steve Wiltfong ‏@SWiltfong247

Michigan commits wearing matching t-shirts down here at The Opening that say Game On World on the back

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That's kinda cute . . .

 

[irishfanjho15]

Steve Wiltfong ‏@SWiltfong247

Michigan commits wearing matching t-shirts down here at The Opening that say Game On World on the back

Wondering if they wear them when they get off the bus against Bama.

 

[STLDomer]

RecruitingNation ‏@RecruitingESPN

Michigan commit Kyle Bosch on Dawson: "He's been talking about decommitting. If he does, we'll move on. One guy doesn't make a class."

 

[clashmore_mike]

Wondering if they wear them when they get off the bus against Bama.

I doubt any off them are on the travel squad for this year.

 

[woolybug25]

Supposedly Dawson said the other scUM recruits "ditched him" at the Opening.


I would not be a sad panda if they lost Dawson's commitment...