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Basically, when you tell your sheep every chance you get that any opposing view is literally evil and any response is warrented....

As someone who are aware of issues, list five items with which you agree with the "other side".

Mine:
1. Reduce federal spending
2. Balance the federal budget
3. Tax relief for the middle class
4. Reduce healthcare costs
5. Make America safer

You?
 

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As someone who are aware of issues, list five items with which you agree with the "other side".

Mine:
1. Reduce federal spending
2. Balance the federal budget
3. Tax relief for the middle class
4. Reduce healthcare costs
5. Make America safer

You?


I've said numerous times I lean left on a number of issues and have been a Democrat for a larger portion of my life than I was ever Republican. I'm currently independent and have been for nearly a decade. An issue I have currently is even when I share a stance with the left the messenger kills the message often times, too shrill and see through in the endless attempt to politicize and score chess board points... never let a crisis go to waste stuff. Even when I agree with the point I find myself turned off by the tactics.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelAvenatti</a> may now have an ethical obligation to withdraw Swetnick’s affidavit, since she contradicted material portions of it in a tv interview.</p>— Alan Dershowitz (@AlanDersh) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1047494882556821504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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There’s loons on both sides but looking at the Federal makeup of Reps & Dems, I’d say the 2nd biggest trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing us voters that there’s a dime’s worth of difference between them.

Eff ‘em all & feed ‘em fish heads.
 

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As someone who are aware of issues, list five items with which you agree with the "other side".

Mine:
1. Reduce federal spending
2. Balance the federal budget
3. Tax relief for the middle class
4. Reduce healthcare costs
5. Make America safer

You?
1. Minimize military intervention overseas.
2. Legalize marijuana.
3. No warrantless surveillance.
4. Demilitarize local police.
5. End corporate welfare.
 

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There’s loons on both sides but looking at the Federal makeup of Reps & Dems, I’d say the 2nd biggest trick the devil ever pulled off was convincing us voters that there’s a dime’s worth of difference between them.

Eff ‘em all & feed ‘em fish heads.

this
 

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This morning, Avenatti announced that he has another client with sworn allegations. If you were a credible witness, why in the world would you go to this clown.
 

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I've said numerous times I lean left on a number of issues and have been a Democrat for a larger portion of my life than I was ever Republican. I'm currently independent and have been for nearly a decade. An issue I have currently is even when I share a stance with the left the messenger kills the message often times, too shrill and see through in the endless attempt to politicize and score chess board points... never let a crisis go to waste stuff. Even when I agree with the point I find myself turned off by the tactics.

I remember and consider you like most of the rest of us. YJ has said the same. Your five?
 

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I remember and consider you like most of the rest of us. YJ has said the same. Your five?

I would consider myself left of center on:

1.) Environmental issues
2.) Gun Control
3.) Military spending
4.) Drugs: decimalization and/or reduced sentencing for
5.) Foreign Aid, Foreign military presence and immigration are all things I have both left and right leaning stances on depending on what layer of the onion we are focused on in the moment.
 

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1. Minimize military intervention overseas.
2. Legalize marijuana.
3. No warrantless surveillance.
4. Demilitarize local police.
5. End corporate welfare.

As someone who are aware of issues, list five items with which you agree with the "other side".

Mine:
1. Reduce federal spending
2. Balance the federal budget
3. Tax relief for the middle class
4. Reduce healthcare costs
5. Make America safer

You?

I'm a GDI, but I'm sure you view me as a GOPer

1. Free health care for all (not the Obama model)
2. Free post HS education/technical/job training for all
3. LGBT marriage/rights
4. Environment (moderate, not extreme)
5. Illegal Immigrant Amnesty (with a lot of caveats including locking down the border going forward)
 

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I would consider myself left of center on:

1.) Environmental issues
2.) Gun Control
3.) Military spending
4.) Drugs: decimalization and/or reduced sentencing for
5.) Foreign Aid, Foreign military presence and immigration are all things I have both left and right leaning stances on depending on what layer of the onion we are focused on in the moment.

I think the Left is pro-military spending but just doesn't like to talk about it... The lobbyist are just as entrenched there as the right.
 

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I think the Left is pro-military spending but just doesn't like to talk about it... The lobbyist are just as entrenched there as the right.

I think the left's leadership is like that on most issues honestly. They love to say they're are fighting for one thing but actually working towards the opposite. One thing about the Republican leaders, you pretty much know what you are getting imo. For this little list though I'm trying to speak more to the conscience of the voting base than the leadership of either party... if that makes sense. Hard to do in this climate but yeah...
 

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1) Military spending
2) Military action
3) Drugs
4) Improving and increasing legal immigration process/volume (although I think they really don't want this)
5) really struggling here - their solutions are almost universally big government/big brother
 

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I think the left's leadership is like that on most issues honestly. They love to say they're are fighting for one thing but actually working towards the opposite. One thing about the Republican leaders, you pretty much know what you are getting imo. For this little list though I'm trying to speak more to the conscience of the voting base than the leadership of either party... if that makes sense. Hard to do in this climate but yeah...

I'm all for decreased military spending and foreign aide in general.
Gotta take care of the folks at home. The continual subsidizing of the world over the last 50 years hasn't done a lot except create more world reliance on the US. I think Europe needs to step up big time. I'm not afraid of a stronger Europe like some.
 

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No dog in this fight.

I only hope for the truth and good law.

I was sent this link and found it quite shocking and plausible. This cannot be good for Due Process. Lots of interesting observations in the Comments section. Any thoughts?

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-together-during-accusation-letter-construct/

Cheers and Go Irish!!

That's interesting stuff. So, she's one of the "beach friends" that BF mentioned.
While tin foilish in some areas, the simple stuff begs to be explored.
 

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That's interesting stuff. So, she's one of the "beach friends" that BF mentioned.
While tin foilish in some areas, the simple stuff begs to be explored.

I don't disagree but connect the dots and what are the odds?

This whole thing is a mess... by accident or design? I feel sorry for what we have become as people.

Cheers and Go Irish!!
 

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I don't disagree but connect the dots and what are the odds?

This whole thing is a mess... by accident or design? I feel sorry for what we have become as people.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Oh I agree all around. Coincidence or design, it begs to be looked at with a fine tooth comb. Can you imagine if there was this type of conspiracy.
 

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I think it pretty obvious this was a hatchet job from the get go and it's crumbling accordingly... one has to be a pretty strong shill for the left to be clinging to what we know at this point and still be on team Milano.
 

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I think it pretty obvious this was a hatchet job from the get go and it's crumbling accordingly... one has to be a pretty strong shill for the left to be clinging to what we know at this point and still be on team Milano.

Even the ACLU is blowing a million dollar wad on anti-Kav ads. I'm a little surprised they are stepping out from behind their make believe "non-bias" facade.
 

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Frankly not surprised at all

When it comes to defending the "accused" as being innocent until proven guilty, they've made a lot of effort to seem non-bias. They totally through that out the window over obvious politics in this case. Everyone knows they are bias, but they have been closer to center in this space.
 

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Free health care for all (not the Obama model)

I agree that the US healthcare needs fixing but I’ve come to believe that it’s not the quality/cost of healthcare b/c we could give everyone gold-plated healthcare but it won’t mean a thing until Americans stop shoving Type-2 Diabetes inducing junk down their gullets.

Healthcare ain’t fixing the population w/ the worst eating habits of any first world country
 

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I agree that the US healthcare needs fixing but I’ve come to believe that it’s not the quality/cost of healthcare b/c we could give everyone gold-plated healthcare but it won’t mean a thing until Americans stop shoving Type-2 Diabetes inducing junk down their gullets.

Healthcare ain’t fixing the population w/ the worst eating habits of any first world country

Agreed. There are many factors at play and our outcomes are clearly skewed by what we intake and our overall culture.
 

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I agree that the US healthcare needs fixing but I’ve come to believe that it’s not the quality/cost of healthcare b/c we could give everyone gold-plated healthcare but it won’t mean a thing until Americans stop shoving Type-2 Diabetes inducing junk down their gullets.

Healthcare ain’t fixing the population w/ the worst eating habits of any first world country

My position is simple. US expenditure on HC is higher per captita than nations already providing good national health care. Why? Too many middle man money grabs, and we're subsidizing the world when it comes to drug prices (we pay more than twice the world average for the same drugs). I'm a capitalist, but HC is not the place for captitalism IMO. F the insurance companies, and F the drug companies.

It's the same deal with education. We pay more per captita than nations with much better education systems. Give people free education, and their excuses start to run out.
 

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I would consider myself left of center on:

1.) Environmental issues
2.) Gun Control
3.) Military spending
4.) Drugs: decimalization and/or reduced sentencing for
5.) Foreign Aid, Foreign military presence and immigration are all things I have both left and right leaning stances on depending on what layer of the onion we are focused on in the moment.

Thanks ACamp and to all who chose to post their five areas of agreement.

Any thoughts on Schumer agreeing with McConnell to fast track fifteen Trumps judicial nominees with unanimous consent decrees?

Trump, with the help of Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, has already confirmed 60 judges to the courts — including 33 district court judges, 26 appeals court judges, and Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch.

Why this cooperation? Of course, all were vetted without investigations.
 

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My position is simple. US expenditure on HC is higher per captita than nations already providing good national health care. Why? Too many middle man money grabs, and we're subsidizing the world when it comes to drug prices (we pay more than twice the world average for the same drugs). I'm a capitalist, but HC is not the place for captitalism IMO. F the insurance companies, and F the drug companies.

It's the same deal with education. We pay more per captita than nations with much better education systems. Give people free education, and their excuses start to run out.

Oh, I agree with you on the middle man. The insurance companies are the worst. But one thing both insurance companies & the govt will have in common is that they’ll both want patients to die before doling out for expensive biologics or procedures. For example, say a patient has metastatic breast cancer. Unfortunately, she will die from that ultimately. That doesn’t mean there aren’t novel treatments that can afford this patient anywhere from six months to six years of prolonged quality life.

A few months don’t mean much to us. But to a person with a terminal disease, it could mean seeing a child graduate or a child being born or a child getting married or some other life event.

So...I’m with you on all that. But one of the reasons (not the only) of the increased spending in relation to the rest of the industrialized nations is no one makes worse lifestyle choices than Americans. No one eats the crap we eat. And I suspect no one has more Type 2 Diabetics. The idiot that came up w/ the Food Pyramid set this country on a deadly path. He was convinced that heart failure was atrributed to fat. America believed him & his cherry-picked trials so the Food Pyramid was accepted as Gospel. He was wrong...dead wrong. Now look at this country’s dietary habits.

I’m fine w/ trying the free healthcare for all though a lot of us on this board would be reduced to worse healthcare while the elites would keep their gold-plated coverage. Again, I like it in theory, but it always leads to a 2-tiered system and most of us would be on the shitty tier. Which is ok until something major happens. Meanwhile, the 5’10”, 320 lb man who eats 10,000+ calories per day, smokes & drinks w/ Type II diabetes isn’t going to become healthier when his healthcare becomes free. And unfortunately, that’s a lot of Americans.
 

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My position is simple. US expenditure on HC is higher per captita than nations already providing good national health care. Why? Too many middle man money grabs, and we're subsidizing the world when it comes to drug prices (we pay more than twice the world average for the same drugs). I'm a capitalist, but HC is not the place for captitalism IMO. F the insurance companies, and F the drug companies.

It's the same deal with education. We pay more per captita than nations with much better education systems. Give people free education, and their excuses start to run out.
The other countries can only do what they do because we do what we do. When an American pharmaceutical company develops a new drug, it's sold all over the world. Americans subsidize the research and the rest of the world piggy-backs on the products like a bunch of freeloaders. If America weren't bearing the R&D costs, the R&D would stagnate. We pay a huge premium but we're paying the premium for the sake of legitimate medical breakthroughs. The profit motive applies to corporations as well as individuals. Without the "obscene" payoff at the end of a drug that works, the companies aren't going to invest the billions of dollars it costs to develop them.

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