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I don't think anybody has much of an issue with adults transitioning.

The problem lies with minors who are still developing physically, emotionally and mentally transitioning.

My daughter wanted to transition until she hit 18 and then decided that she really was a girl after all. I guess it's a good thing we didn't pursue her desires at 15 and 16, huh?

That's why some of us who actually have children 'give a fuck' about it.
So what. That was your child. She could not go and get this stuff done with out you. I dont care what she does and Im not going to call for legislation to prevent you from doing what is best for your child whatever it is.
 

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lmao no one is mutilating minors. Keep ignoring the medical community.
Yeah, pumping children full of artificial hormones that disrupt their health and weaken their bones, taking a perfectly functioning sex organ and slicing it off is a normal, healthy thing to do. The medical community also told us that protesting George Floyd's death in large groups was completely healthy but going to church was incredibly dangerous and should be met with imprisonment. "Health Experts" can eat a dick with this ideological bullshit
 

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Yeah, and its completely not influenced by political ideology at all. Just like all normal disagreements in the medical profession with extremely new and emerging medical practices, where we incredibly rapidly make any dissent to the new line of thinking completely verboten.
Ah the science is influenced by politics trope. ....... its all a conspiracy lmao
 

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Imagine if people with body dysmorphia who thought they were fat when they were actually severely underweight were cheered on and people wanted to give them Ozempic. Same line of thinking with hormone treatment and surgery
Not really a great analogy since anorexia will kill you. Looking at the rates of suicide for those with gender dysmorphia seems like not allowing surgery would kill more.
 

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The overwhelming majority of the medical community and public and mental health professionals disagree with you. Its literally accepted medical and pyschological science that gender identity is detached from societal gender roles and that one's mental health is worse off for being forced to live in a manner that is contra to their perceived best self.
Have you ever been in a mental health facility or school or social work? These fields are littered with the far left. Finding a conservative in these fields is like finding a unicorn. The one thing people admit about social work is that people get into the field because of their own issues. We have traumatized mental people all over working in these fields. So sure… they will disagree with common sense.
 

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Imagine if people with body dysmorphia who thought they were fat when they were actually severely underweight were cheered on and people wanted to give them Ozempic. Same line of thinking with hormone treatment and surgery
You clearly dont understand the pychological affects of various medical conditions and how they impact people. Im gald we have trained medical professionals working to improve people's lives . You are describing bulimia andit doesnt present orr have the same pyschological effects ad gender disphoria.
 

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Have you ever been in a mental health facility or school or social work? These fields are littered with the far left. Finding a conservative in these fields is like finding a unicorn. The one thing people admit about social work is that people get into the field because of their own issues. We have traumatized mental people all over working in these fields. So sure… they will disagree with common sense.
Its all a conspircay. I get it.
 

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Not really a great analogy since anorexia will kill you. Looking at the rates of suicide for those with gender dysmorphia seems like not allowing surgery would kill more.
Using cacks logic… if someone kills thenselves how does that affect your day. That’s basically his and the lefts argument for everything. If it doesn’t affect you why bother.
 

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It’s all a conspircay. I get it.
You didn’t answer the question so I’ll take it as you have no clue. I was a social worker for 10 years. Couldn’t wait to get out. You have a field with majority far left or left leaning people they will influence decisions. It’s not that hard to understand. I wouldn’t call it a conspiracy… just convenient that they are making the defections and are the “experts”.
 

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Not really a great analogy since anorexia will kill you. Looking at the rates of suicide for those with gender dysmorphia seems like not allowing surgery would kill more.
Is there any scientific data that proves giving minors hormonal treatment or surgery has any effect on their suicide rate? Because there is well documented evidence of the harmful effects of said treatment on their actual biologic functions, and still a plethora of other biologic functions that could be affected by artificially disrupting their normal hormonal processes that we have no idea what the affects are.
 

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Yeah, pumping children full of artificial hormones that disrupt their health and weaken their bones, taking a perfectly functioning sex organ and slicing it off is a normal, healthy thing to do. The medical community also told us that protesting George Floyd's death in large groups was completely healthy but going to church was incredibly dangerous and should be met with imprisonment. "Health Experts" can eat a dick with this ideological bullshit

For the rate at which you perceive this to be happening you would be surprised at how many checks and balances there are before it gets to the actual medical treatment.

You not understand the differences between outdoors and indoors is fitting for the full picture.
 

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You clearly dont understand the pychological affects of various medical conditions and how they impact people. Im gald we have trained medical professionals working to improve people's lives . You are describing bulimia andit doesnt present orr have the same pyschological effects ad gender disphoria.
Go ahead and get the child mental health treatment and see where that goes. If they still feel they want to change their sex once they hit the age of consent they will have matured and had enough time to make their own decision.
 

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You clearly dont understand the pychological affects of various medical conditions and how they impact people. Im gald we have trained medical professionals working to improve people's lives . You are describing bulimia andit doesnt present orr have the same pyschological effects ad gender disphoria.
Didn’t you just say we shouldn’t care about things not associated with our daily lives. Are you the only person allowed to care?
 

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For the rate at which you perceive this to be happening you would be surprised at how many checks and balances there are before it gets to the actual medical treatment.

You not understand the differences between outdoors and indoors is fitting for the full picture.
Okay fine, replace my example of church with the youth sports leagues around the country and world that were shut down.
 

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Then we will fundamentally disagree.

I think Sea Turtle's example is a perfect case of involving the correct parties in coming to a treatment plan. It seemed like it worked out for the better as his daughter was able to seek counselling and appears to have selected the correct choice for themselves. If all three parties (Parents/Kid/Doctor) sign off who is anyone to tell them what to do.
 

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The overwhelming majority of the medical community and public and mental health professionals disagree with you. Its literally accepted medical and pyschological science that gender identity is detached from societal gender roles and that one's mental health is worse off for being forced to live in a manner that is contra to their perceived best self.

I am amazed at this response to my original statement "Not just normalizing, but celebrating mental illness, degeneracy and perversion is not good for society."

Gays against Groomers is gaining steam b/c of the sick perverted bullshit you seem to have convinced yourself science has reached a consensus in your favor. You were just advocating for 14 year olds having sex with 30 year olds, btw. No wonder you love Dems so much.
 

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I am amazed at this response to my original statement "Not just normalizing, but celebrating mental illness, degeneracy and perversion is not good for society."

Gays against Groomers is gaining steam b/c of the sick perverted bullshit you seem to have convinced yourself science has reached a consensus in your favor. You were just advocating for 14 year olds having sex with 30 year olds, btw. No wonder you love Dems so much.
your personal moral outrage at someone else's personal freedom is hilarious. #Libetarianism. Not sure you understood my post if you think Im in favor of nonconseual adult child interactions. lol. The GOP actually wants that. Not me. Hence the link I posted. SMH
 

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Then we will fundamentally disagree.

I think Sea Turtle's example is a perfect case of involving the correct parties in coming to a treatment plan. It seemed like it worked out for the better as his daughter was able to seek counselling and appears to have selected the correct choice for themselves. If all three parties (Parents/Kid/Doctor) sign off who is anyone to tell them what to do.
While I agree with this in general, we've seen a few instances in the media where the parents and doctor agree to go forward and later the child regrets it. That's why I'm for mental health treatment until they reach the age of consent.
 

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Why do you care if Trump goes to jail? It doesn’t affect you. The man could be president behind bars or at the White House. Why do you care about anything? Why do you care about anyone not in your circle. Why should anyone care about the poor, or the drug addicted? Why do people care about any addiction not their own? Why would anyone care about the spread of coronavirus if you are young and healthy?

These cost you nothing to give fucks about.
Everything you listed affects people outside of their own selves. A transitioning person does not. Its not contagious. Its not a crime. It isnt stealing someone else's property or harming anyone in any way. I care about people being able to be who they want aand having help necessary to see they become the people they want to be. Drug addicts harm themselves and their families and they should be able to get quality help when they need it but they are not victimless acts. Sexual predators harm their victims. Yall acting like transitioning is a crime is just pure false equivalency. Gender affirming care done with the guidance of qualified medical professions should be available to those people who want it. Paying for it is obviously another issue. If they have insurance that covers it then great!
 
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Everything you listed affects people outside of their own selves. A transitioning person does not. Its not contagious. Its not a crime. It isnt stealing someone else's property or harming anyone in any way. I care about people being able to be who they want aand having help necessary to see they become the people they want to be. Drug addicts harm themselves and their families and they should be able to get quality help when they need it but they are not victimless acts. Sexual predators harm their victims. Yall acting like transitioning is a crime is just pure false equivalency. Gender affirming care done with the guidance of qualified medical professions should be available to those people who want it. Paying for it is obviously another issue. If they have insurance that covers it then great!
Where do you come up with some of this stuff?

Okay, you got us. Here's the truth. We're afraid to let anyone have a sex change operation because they may give us the cooties.
 

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I prefer to get the expertise of those who studied for 10+ years to advise me on my health. Self awareness is a great asset....
Cool.
Everything you listed affects people outside of their own selves. A transitioning person does not. It’s not contagious. It’s not a crime. It isnt stealing someone else's property or harming anyone in any way. I care about people being able to be who they want aand having help necessary to see they become the people they want to be. Drug addicts harm themselves and their families and they should be able to get quality help when they need it but they are not victimless acts. Sexual predators harm their victims. Yall acting like transitioning is a crime is just pure false equivalency. Gender affirming care done with the guidance of qualified medical professions should be available to those people who want it. Paying for it is obviously another issue. If they have insurance that covers it then great!
What a reach… the equivalency is you keep saying what other people do with their lives is nobody else’s business. Everything listed does not affect you, you know it, I know it…
 

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While I agree with this in general, we've seen a few instances in the media where the parents and doctor agree to go forward and later the child regrets it. That's why I'm for mental health treatment until they reach the age of consent.
I think you can make that argument for just about anything in medicine. I think it comes down to acceptable risk tolerance, what you have as your level and what I have as mine are going to be different. The rate at which actual hormone and more invasive treatment happens is already at a trivial level. So, for me as long as the process is being regulated (big one), conducted by health professionals, and has consent of all three parties (patient/parent/doctor) then I don't see how I would know better than all three of those aspects.
 

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I think you can make that argument for just about anything in medicine. I think it comes down to acceptable risk tolerance, what you have as your level and what I have as mine are going to be different. The rate at which actual hormone and more invasive treatment happens is already at a trivial level. So, for me as long as the process is being regulated (big one), conducted by health professionals, and has consent of all three parties (patient/parent/doctor) then I don't see how I would know better than all three of those aspects.
The slippery slope for me is the parent and or doctor who take a less than rational approach. Granted these type of operations are a relatively small number, but I would hate for any child to make a mistake they’d have to live with the rest of their life.
 

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The slippery slope for me is the parent and or doctor who take a less than rational approach. Granted these type of operations are a relatively small number, but I would hate for any child to make a mistake they’d have to live with the rest of their life.
That’s why I’d advocate for a 3 party sign off between the child/patient/doctor. At that point you’ve respected the rights of the child and parent, and got the medical input. I don’t see how that can be seen as anything but rational. The only people being hurt with anti-trans rhetoric in the news are already ostracized people.
 
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