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anyone listen to the podcast????? nothing special in the first one, looking to hear some recruiting stories about recruits and coaches...ed warriner is supposedly going to have some stories exposed...i just listened to it for entertainment, kept my interests....left it at the end with addidas $ on west coast involved with tate, trevon lindsey etc
 

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Zero chance I’ll give this guy the satisfaction of listening to his crap. I’ll read about it somewhere but see no reason that I should help him create a business out his shit life.
 

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some posters on 11 Warriors are level headed, then you have the knuckleheads that want to spin it in any direction they can as long as it doesn't point to OSU.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/foru...104288/more-than-50-former-athletes-suing-osu


This comment is priceless.

Floyd Stahl 18 MAY 2019, 5:44 PM
Leave it to ESPN to sensationalize the case for clicks. On their front page under headlines it says, "OSU football players allege abuse on, off campus."

There were only three football players listed in the investigative report. Granted, the article says a number of them are now suing the university, but it's outrageous, yet nor surprising, how the WWL is trying to put the focus on the football team.


So tell me Floyd Stahl, what is the appropriate number of abuses before this is considered illegal and repulsive behaviour?

Man, the comments are just ugly. People calling out the victims as opportunists and blasting ESPN for writing the article as "click bait." This was a huge deal, it's unreal. I still go back to the fact tOSU has been one of the most vocal fan bases to trash Penn State's cover up, but when the shoe is on the other foot...

Bottom line, you don't throw stones in glass houses. You best not try to cover it up when the shit goes down. Be mature, pray for the victims and that justice can be done. Leave it at that.
 

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4 star 2020 WR Mookie Cooper committed to pOSU. They now have 4 top 20 WR commits per 247. Funny what having a WR coach who isn't a bum/wife beater will do for you.
 

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That's four very talented dudes in the same class.

Someone is gonna be unhappy with ball distribution as early as their second year.

Like scUM a few classes ago, and maybe even ND last year, four WR's is a lot in one class. Someone is gonna wash out, one way or another.
 

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That's four very talented dudes in the same class.

Someone is gonna be unhappy with ball distribution as early as their second year.

Like scUM a few classes ago, and maybe even ND last year, four WR's is a lot in one class. Someone is gonna wash out, one way or another.

but they all the next Percy Harvin's
 

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That's four very talented dudes in the same class.

Someone is gonna be unhappy with ball distribution as early as their second year.

Like scUM a few classes ago, and maybe even ND last year, four WR's is a lot in one class. Someone is gonna wash out, one way or another.

We'll see how it finishes up. I believe at least a couple of them are still communicating with other schools. Notably, Jaxon Smith Njiba is still in contact with ND. They are all publicly "solid" but there are some early signs that this may come to fruition before it's time for signatures.
 

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That's four very talented dudes in the same class.

Someone is gonna be unhappy with ball distribution as early as their second year.

Like scUM a few classes ago, and maybe even ND last year, four WR's is a lot in one class. Someone is gonna wash out, one way or another.

First off, Brian Hartline is a really good recruiter. Apparently he’s immediately towards the top of the list of recruiters in country after only starting last season! Second, I would bet that not all 4 of those WR’s will enroll by the time December rolls around. People are still calling Julian Fleming everyday and James Franklin is gonna pull all kinda moves to get Fleming to flip. Mookie Cooper changes his mind every 3 minutes so I don’t think that’ll stick. We’ll see but I’m skeptical of this all working perfectly and ending in the best WR class in the country. I hope ND keeps calling Gee Scott.
 

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247 Sports says OSU self reports 16 minor violations. After reading the article here's one of the comments that was left by a Buckeye fan. lol
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Sad thing is because its OSU, these past "violations" will get more attention right now than Dabo's roided team.
 

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247 Sports says OSU self reports 16 minor violations. After reading the article here's one of the comments that was left by a Buckeye fan. lol
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Sad thing is because its OSU, these past "violations" will get more attention right now than Dabo's roided team.

He ain't wrong
 

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Yeah, there's a very small percentage of college athletes that test positive for banned performance enhancing substances each season. For Clemson to come up with 3 in a season was big news given the fact the whole team was not tested. I seriously believe that if more than one player comes up positive, the whole team should be tested. There were certainly more ineligible players on that field when we faced them.
 

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Big question is, because of the positive tests will Clemson change and if so does it effect them next season?
 

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He ain't wrong

He's not, but my point is the OSU fan is in a sense trying to justify the infractions by deflecting attention to Clemson and saying this isn't that bad compared to Clemson and their use of PED's.
 

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Just a little nugget, OSU seemed to be locks to land Bijan Robinson and Jaylan Knighton as their RB duo when they both dropped their announcement dates, but now it looks as though Knighton is headed to FSU today and Robinson might be leaning to Texas. Now I figure Tony Alford can back track and flip that around to get some other top targets, but many of them have committed. This could be the first little speed bump in an otherwise crazy good start to his recruiting career at Ohio State. He's got 6 consensus 4 star RB's on the roster right now. 6!! That's a ridiculous number and it seemed poised to continue that way until this speed bump, but I wouldn't count out OSU for a host of other 4 star RB's.
 

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Article doesn't help Urban's reputation. Reads like Meyer knew he jad a problem with Smith for quite a while. Even Shelly Meyer expressed concerns. Win at all costs Urban baby.

From si.com

Five Key Takeaways From Ohio State's Records Release Involving Urban Meyer, Zach Smith

Ohio State released more than 2,000 pages of emails, texts and other information related to Urban Meyer and Zach Smith.

By MICHAEL MCCANN August 02, 2019
A late Friday afternoon records release by Ohio State University sheds new insight into the 2018 controversy involving former Buckeyes wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator Zach Smith as well as former head coach Urban Meyer’s handling of the matter. The records release, which contains more than 2,000 pages of emails, texts, performance evaluation sheets and contracts, was issued in response to media requests under the Ohio Open Records Law. Many of the pages were heavily redacted.

A brief summary of what took place last year

The public controversy began on July 23, 2018, when Ohio State unexpectedly fired Smith. At the time, the 34-year-old coach was active in the Buckeyes’ recruitment of high school players and was well-regarded for his instruction and mentoring. Ohio State fired Smith on account of his then-wife, Courtney Smith, filing for a temporary restraining order against her husband and on account of Smith’s accompanying trespassing charge (which was later dropped when Smith pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct).

The following day, Meyer addressed Smith’s firing at Big Ten media day. Meyer downplayed the extent to which he was aware of Smith’s past issues with domestic violence. Meyer acknowledged familiarity with a 2009 incident in Gainesville, Florida, where Smith was arrested for allegedly battering Courtney Smith, who was pregnant at the time. A police report stated that Smith had “grabbed the victim by her t-shirt, picked her up and threw her into the bedroom wall. The victim is pregnant with the defendant’s child.” The charge was later dropped.

Meyer claimed ignorance with respect to an alleged 2015 incident where Smith was again accused (but not convicted) of battering Courtney Smith. “I got a text late last night [that] something happened in 2015,” Meyer insisted. “And there was nothing. Once again, there's nothing—once again, I don't know who creates a story like that.” Stadium’s Brett McMurphy disputed Meyer’s characterization of the 2015 incident and reported that Meyer knew much more than he had acknowledged.

Ohio State then launched an investigation, which was handled by, among others, former acting U.S. Deputy Attorney General Craig Morford and former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio Carter Stewart. Their findings led Ohio State president Michael Drake to suspend Meyer for three games and athletic director Gene Smith for two weeks.

Specifically with regard to Meyer, investigators found that he had failed to fully notify Gene Smith of Zach Smith’s past when OSU hired Smith in 2012. Smith had been hired at Meyer’s urging. Meyer’s conduct also proved inconsistent with reporting obligations found in both the university’s sexual misconduct policy and in Meyer’s employment contract. Investigators also rebuked Meyer for “misstatements” in the press conference.

In December, Meyer stepped down as head coach. The 55-year-old cited health reasons for his departure. Meyer is now an assistant athletic director for athletics initiatives and relations at Ohio State. In 17 seasons as a head coach at Ohio State, Florida, Utah and Bowling Green, Meyer compiled a record of 187-32. That translates to a winning percentage of .853, the third-highest in college football history.

Smith, for his part, staunchly denies ever abusing his wife. He describes himself as a “false DV abuse claim survivor.”

5 key observations from the document release

First, Meyer did not preserve older electronic records and he also was guarded in his written words. The preservation point was noted by investigators last year. Meyer set his phone to delete messages older than one year. The record release illustrates this dynamic. The release contains more than 2,000 documents but most did not involve Meyer. Also, when he did text, Meyer often seemed to write as little as needed to make a point.

Second, a text exchange between Meyer and Smith on Jan. 18, 2018 suggests, although does not establish, that Meyer was aware of Smith’s issues with his wife. Meyer texted that he wanted Smith to stay at Ohio State. The text was in response to Smith being offered a position on Nick Saban’s coaching staff at Alabama. Meyer used an interesting sequence of words. Specifically, these phrases:

“I have personally invested far too much in u to get u in a position to take the next step.”

“U need to step away from other situation and let’s go win it all . . . again.”

“From this point forward . . . All grown ass man conversation, never again childish s---….”

Smith, for his part, expressed that he is “loyal” to Meyer for “everything” he had done on his behalf.

Meyer declined to specify the “other situation” or the “childish s---.” Smith, likewise, refrained from explaining the reasons why he was so loyal to Meyer. The two obviously had a meeting of the minds that obviated the need to spell out their references. A reader might assume that Meyer and Smith were referring to Smith’s issues with his wife, though again, that would be an assumption.

Third, other football staff expressed, in writing, concerns with Smith’s behavior. On Jan. 23, 2016, Jennifer Bula—who at the time was the administrative service manager for the athletic department—emailed associate athletic director Brian Voltolini. The email raised concerns about Smith’s handling of electronic devices. Bula wrote:

n spring/summer Zach left his iPad on a Net Jets plane. They held on to it for a couple of days thinking he would call and pick it up. When he didn't they shipped it to me and I told [Voltolini] I had it and for Zach to come over and get it. It was in my office for 4-6 weeks and I finally sent it over to football. It was curious that he didn't have his iPad for over a month and didn't seem too concerned (??). I don't even know if he was aware I had it??

Although it’s not expressed if Smith’s university iPad contained the Buckeyes’ playbook or any other trade secrets, someone as organized as Meyer would presumably be irate if an assistant coach was not careful with electronic devices. Bula’s email could also shed insight into why, two years later, Meyer used the word “childish” in his text exchange with Smith.

Fourth, Urban Meyer’s wife, Shelley Meyer, raised serious concerns about Zach Smith in a text sent to an unidentified person. The text was sent at 9:35 p.m. local time on July 23, 2018, the day Smith was fired. Meyer, an instructor in Ohio State’s nursing school, noted that Smith “drinks a lot.” She also questioned “how stable he will be” and worried “he will do something dangerous.” Likewise, she opined that “it’s obvious he has anger/rage issues.” To the extent Urban Meyer and Shelley Meyer discussed Smith, Shelley Meyer’s text suggests that she described Smith in a concerning light.

Fifth, Ohio State’s release contained a printout of an email sent by an anonymous person on Aug. 19, 2018 to attorney David Sarratt, a partner at the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton. Sarratt was one of the attorneys hired by Ohio State to investigate. The person claimed to have been an employee of Sibcy House at Lindner Center of Hope, a mental health and addiction center in Mason, Ohio. The person wrote that Ohio State had directed Smith to seek treatment at the center on account of “multiple substance abuse addictions and/or stimulant overuse or misuse” and also “to determine or rule out if he had a sex addiction.”

The emailer went on to write that Smith prematurely left the program, a point which led the emailer to opine “it didn’t make sense to me why a school like Ohio State would keep him as a coach if he had all of these domestic violence issues, didn’t complete his rehab and the other things he reportedly did in the past several years.”

The accuracy of the email’s claim is, of course, unknown. But if it is true that Smith failed to complete his treatment, it would suggest that Ohio State was aware of issues with Smith long before he was fired.
 

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Per this article from espn.com, it sounds like Smith may have lied to Meyer about being offered a job at Bama.The article states Saban interviewed him, but after finding out about his past, Saban decided to pass on Smith.


Meyer texts urged Smith to stay, spurn Alabama
Former Ohio State football coach Urban Meyer encouraged troubled staff member Zach Smith to stay with the Buckeyes in January 2018 when Smith was offered a coaching position at Alabama, according to a text message exchange released by OSU on Friday afternoon.

Meyer fired Smith roughly six months later after reports about Smith's volatile and allegedly abusive relationship with his ex-wife became the final straw in a career marked by behavioral issues. Ohio State investigated Meyer shortly after Smith's firing and suspended him for mishandling previous issues with Smith and for misleading the media when he was asked about Smith's conduct. Meyer retired after the 2018 season.

On Friday, more than 11 months after the university concluded its investigation, Ohio State released to the public more than 2,000 pages of documents that were reviewed by investigators as part of the inquiry into Meyer. Among the text messages and emails was one conversation during which Meyer told Smith in January 2018 that they "got u thru the s---" and that he wanted Smith to stay on staff in Columbus, Ohio. Smith, according to the text messages, was offered a position as passing coordinator on the Alabama staff.

"I have personally invested far too much in u to get u in position to take next step," Meyer wrote. "U need to step away from other situation and let's go win it all... again."

Alabama coach Nick Saban said Saturday that while the Crimson Tide did interview Smith, he was never offered a position.

"I really never did ever offer this guy a job," Saban said. "We did interview him. ... When we did a background check we decided it was better to hire someone else."

Saban said it's common when people get interest from other programs to "use that as leverage" against their current employer.

Meyer hired Smith on his staffs at Florida and Ohio State. Smith is the grandson of former Ohio State coach Earle Bruce, whom Meyer considered a father figure and mentor. Meyer said his connection with Bruce clouded his judgment when it came to dealing with Smith's behavior.

Police in Florida investigated domestic violence claims made by Smith's then-wife in 2009, when Smith worked for Meyer's Florida team. Police also investigated claims of domestic abuse against Smith made in Columbus in 2015. He was not charged with a crime in either instance. Smith was charged with criminal trespassing after another dispute with the woman in May 2018. He pleaded to a misdemeanor in that case last fall.

Meyer told reporters last summer that he wasn't aware of the 2015 incident. He told coworkers around the same time that he knew about "2009 and last week" but knew "nothing" about a reported felony arrest of Smith in 2015. Emails and human-resource records show Smith was encouraged to enroll in an employee assistance program in October 2015, and Meyer asked a fellow staffer to make sure Smith followed through with the program. Smith said Meyer was aware of the 2015 incident, and Meyer later apologized for misleading reporters with how he answered questions about that incident.

On July 23, 2018, as reports of Smith's most recent encounter with police became public, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith suggested to Meyer via text that they should take a more "institutionally formal" approach in trying to work with Zach Smith through the employee assistance program. Meyer announced his decision to fire Smith later that day. Gene Smith was also suspended by the university for how he handled the situation.

Meyer texted both his agent and a close adviser the day after he fired Zach Smith to tell them that Smith was being fired for "cumulative" reasons. He told both men that he did not intend to share that with the media.

Shortly after speaking with reporters about Smith's ouster, Meyer told Tim Kight -- an author and adviser -- that the situation was "a mess" and he "will not address the situation again." He told Kight that he "never heard of anything" regarding an arrest in 2015.

"I understand that [Smith's ex-wife]'s lawyer is releasing stuff," Meyer said. "Scary."

Ohio State's investigation revealed that while an employee with the football program, Smith was known to have exhibited "promiscuous and embarrassing sexual behavior, drug abuse, truancy, dishonesty, financial irresponsibility, a possible NCAA violation, and a lengthy police investigation into allegations of criminal domestic violence and cybercrimes."

Several text message exchanges released Friday show Meyer's trust in Smith had eroded in December 2017. He told one staff member to "keep [an] eye on Zach" on Dec. 24 that year. A staff member told Meyer a few weeks earlier of Smith that he "ripped his ass yesterday morning so he knows I'm all over him."

One month later, Meyer told Smith he wanted him to stay at Ohio State rather than accept a new position elsewhere.
 

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the doc drop was lame AF, the best one was the guy applying for Meyer's job for the lolz
 

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I don't see how this gets approved.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/08/14/ohio-state-trademark-application

Ohio State Seeks Trademark On The Word 'The'

Ohio State University submitted an application to the United States Patent and Trademark Office in efforts to trademark the word “The.”

They want to use the university’s name on items with the phrase "The Ohio State University" which can be used to market items for sale, which includes "clothing, namely, t-shirts, baseball caps and hats."

The application was submitted on Aug. 8.

“Like other institutions, Ohio State works to vigorously protect the university’s brand and trademarks,” university spokesman Chris Davey said in a statement to the Columbus Dispatch.

“These assets hold significant value, which benefits our students and faculty and the broader community by supporting our core academic mission of teaching and research.

The school has already trademarked the names of former coaches Woody Hayes and Urban Meyer.

Two years ago, Ohio State was in a fight with Oklahoma State University for the use of the acronym OSU on clothing and apparel. The schools agreed that they will both use the acronym.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pretty hard to tell who the Top 5 draft pick is in these photos. <a href="https://t.co/7XBYCNXnYd">https://t.co/7XBYCNXnYd</a></p>— Matt Freeman (@mattfreemanISD) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattfreemanISD/status/1163544745722961920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chase Young SHEEEEEEEEEEEET
 

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Chase Young is suspended indefintely

Coach Day: Dammit Chase, whose Bentley is that ur driving?!

Young: Don’t worry coach, it’s not mine... (long pause for dramatic effect) It’s my agent’s.
 
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