'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

[MacIrish75]

Agree. But cj has to be smarter than to throw that against a press cb. My hs qb knows that…

The crazy thing is, this is wasn’t an RPO in the sense CJ was reading anything. It’s crazy. Watch. There’s no read on this. Either he made an assumption, or it was a straight outside quick screen. Just because McDonough said, “Fake to Love,” doesn’t mean there really was one. That ball is headed to the sideline regardless.

 

[Dale]

It was an RPO he just didn’t read it properly (at all). They addressed it in the press conference.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

For QBs that threw at least 5 passes behind the LOS, Carr ranked 25th in terms of what % of his attempts were that. It’s not what you want long term but I think folks are a little over blowing it given it was the first start in the rain on the road. 28% of attempts is less than Nussmeier against Clemson. It’s less than Marcel Reed, less than Sam Leavitt, DJ Lagway, and Jayden Maiva

Agree, the percentage of passes behind the line of scrimmage could be worse (though still not great).

What really kills me is the number of passes inside of 10 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. I’m seeing 22 of the 28 attempts on the above board. That’s about 80% of our throws. That’s awful.

 

[allenm5333]

The crazy thing is, this is wasn’t an RPO in the sense CJ was reading anything. It’s crazy. Watch. There’s no read on this. Either he made an assumption, or it was a straight outside quick screen. Just because McDonough said, “Fake to Love,” doesn’t mean there really was one. That ball is headed to the sideline regardless.

Okay. So here is some football theory and I am definitely simplifying things because i am tired lol.

1. Some RPOs are zone read like. Example triple option. In the gun, Carr would read de here and then a second level player for pitch (pass)
2. Some RPOs are number reads: we got 2 guys, they got one. Don't read de, just let that shit rip (I think this is what Carr was doing but press corner nullifies that)
3. Some RPOs are movement keys: Happen post snap. Burrow dominated people with the a glance route attached with inside zone and duo.

 

[MacIrish75]

Okay. So here is some football theory and I am definitely simplifying things because i am tired lol.

1. Some RPOs are zone read like. Example triple option. In the gun, Carr would read de here and then a second level player for pitch (pass)
2. Some RPOs are number reads: we got 2 guys, they got one. Don't read de, just let that shit rip (I think this is what Carr was doing but press corner nullifies that)
3. Some RPOs are movement keys: Happen post snap. Burrow dominated people with the a glance route attached with inside zone and duo.

Right, I get all of that—I just didn’t see anything in real time or watching it back that signified that there was any sort of *read* performed on that play, at all. It definitely had an RPO look and Love’s actions signified a backfield component to the play, but it just seemed very predetermined and I could figure out what exactly CJ saw just to rip that.

 

[Grahambo]

Right, I get all of that—I just didn’t see anything in real time or watching it back that signified that there was any sort of *read* performed on that play, at all. It definitely had an RPO look and Love’s actions signified a backfield component to the play, but it just seemed very predetermined and I could figure out what exactly CJ saw just to rip that.

I hear you but MF and Carr both said it was an RPO. I think, to your overarching point, Carr’s mistake was deciding to throw it before he snapped it. Essentially, he made up his mind pre-snap in what turned out to be the wrong choice.

 

[FWIrish4]

Agree, the percentage of passes behind the line of scrimmage could be worse (though still not great).

What really kills me is the number of passes inside of 10 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. I’m seeing 22 of the 28 attempts on the above board. That’s about 80% of our throws. That’s awful.

We knew Miami was going to stack the box and try to take away the run game, so the decision was to throw 80% of the time within 10 yards that also plays into the stacked box’s hands?

I get not knowing what you’re gonna get from Carr, but it’s been widely reported his deep ball is pretty damn good.

We’re onto A&M though and IMO pretty obvious and somewhat easy adjustments on O schematically to be made (hand the ball off and stretch the field vertically).

 

[allenm5333]

Right, I get all of that—I just didn’t see anything in real time or watching it back that signified that there was any sort of *read* performed on that play, at all. It definitely had an RPO look and Love’s actions signified a backfield component to the play, but it just seemed very predetermined and I could figure out what exactly CJ saw just to rip that.

It was 2 on 1

 

[SighWillingham]

Just rewatched the game, and Carr’s performance was even more impressive on the 2nd go, and also makes Denbrock whole GP all the more frustrating. Spread and stretch the field, which would have opened up the run and then open up the deeper passing lanes.

And for all the RPO talk, given how conservative a game he called, why complicate things for your young QB and demand even greater game reads? Why not gash and lean on maybe the best backfield in CFB? Seems indefensible.

Regardless, CJ is very much the real deal and excited to see him progress. Denbrock, let him cook FFS!

 

[ulukinatme]

We knew Miami was going to stack the box and try to take away the run game, so the decision was to throw 80% of the time within 10 yards that also plays into the stacked box’s hands?

I get not knowing what you’re gonna get from Carr, but it’s been widely reported his deep ball is pretty damn good.

We’re onto A&M though and IMO pretty obvious and somewhat easy adjustments on O schematically to be made (hand the ball off and stretch the field vertically).

That was my impression. I was expecting Miami to stack the box coming out of the gate, figuring we're going to ease Carr into the game. In a way we did by giving him lots of short passes to warm up. Felt like we had some success with Faison early there.

 

[T-Boone]

For QBs that threw at least 5 passes behind the LOS, Carr ranked 25th in terms of what % of his attempts were that. It’s not what you want long term but I think folks are a little over blowing it given it was the first start in the rain on the road. 28% of attempts is less than Nussmeier against Clemson. It’s less than Marcel Reed, less than Sam Leavitt, DJ Lagway, and Jayden Maiva

I think LSU ran the same screen play 4 plays in a row and they were all for good gains.

 

[Dale]

Through 2 games on throws over 10 yards:

13/21 (62%) for 339 yards.


Yeah. That’ll play.

*PFF Sunday grades subject to chance

 

[LifelongFan]

He makes some poor inexperience decisions, but I really think he's going to be great. With how bad QB play is in both college and the NFL, seeing someone who can read a defense and control the pocket is very impressive. I've enjoyed watching him play. Maybe I will just turn games off when we are on defense for the rest of the year.

 

[irishff1014]

He makes some poor inexperience decisions, but I really think he's going to be great. With how bad QB play is in both college and the NFL, seeing someone who can read a defense and control the pocket is very impressive. I've enjoyed watching him play. Maybe I will just turn games off when we are on defense for the rest of the year.

He better start learning. Another int that he threw without setting his feet. Another intentional grounding because he didnt know where the line of scrimmage was.

 

[LifelongFan]

He better start learning. Another int that he threw without setting his feet. Another intentional grounding because he didnt know where the line of scrimmage was.

That will come with experience and I believe on the intentional grounding, Fields and Rairdon both blocked and no one was there to catch or be close to the ball.

One ugly interception shouldn't end the game. A team with an actual defense would be able to stop them once.

 

[AKRowdy]

It’s his second start. Dude balled out and had the team in position to win both games. Stop being a negative Nancy.

 

[US_Highway14]

He better start learning. Another int that he threw without setting his feet. Another intentional grounding because he didnt know where the line of scrimmage was.

He's a young inexperienced QB. Just like with any inexperienced QB, there will be some growing pains. Thankfully, he's made up for that by great QB play.

 

[US_Highway14]

It’s his second start. Dude balled out and had the team in position to win both games. Stop being a negative Nancy.

For real. People expect a QB to figure it out right off the bat and be Joe Burrow 2.0. If said QB doesn't figure it out, then they must be benched.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

He better start learning. Another int that he threw without setting his feet. Another intentional grounding because he didnt know where the line of scrimmage was.

Without setting his feet? It was a glorified shovel pass. Yes poor decision and went backyard football style - but the foot work wasn't the problem - the decision was.

I'm still grading him out near the top performer on the whole team. One of the few players I have confidence in that is going to perform each time and can rely on.

 

[irishff1014]

For real. People expect a QB to figure it out right off the bat and be Joe Burrow 2.0. If said QB doesn't figure it out, then they must be benched.

He is a much better passer than I thought he would be. And overall has played good. But the mistakes I pointed out happened 2 weeks ago. The point of watching video and having coaches is to get better at that.

 

[Dale]

He is a much better passer than I thought he would be. And overall has played good. But the mistakes I pointed out happened 2 weeks ago. The point of watching video and having coaches is to get better at that.

Well the grounding Fields ran the wrong route

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

He better start learning. Another int that he threw without setting his feet. Another intentional grounding because he didnt know where the line of scrimmage was.

It was his second start. Give the kid some runway.

 

[Riddickulous]

Despite his growing pains he's delivered in the clutch two weeks in a row. Once he cleans up the rookie mistakes, look out.

 

[Huntr]

Carr's the truth

 

[notredomer23]

Let CJ do his thing. One of his top moments yesterday honestly was the audible for the Price TD. Veteran move.

 

[Bane]

Carr is the silver lining so far, he is for real. He's got Sunday talent, just need to keep developing.

 

[stlnd01]

Without setting his feet? It was a glorified shovel pass. Yes poor decision and went backyard football style - but the foot work wasn't the problem - the decision was.

I'm still grading him out near the top performer on the whole team. One of the few players I have confidence in that is going to perform each time and can rely on.

He kind of jump threw it, off his back foot, into the middle of the defense, when he should have just taken the five yards on the ground that was open to his left (so, both bad footwork and bad decision). But, yeah, Carr's good, and he'll learn, and he's a long long way from the biggest problem we've got at the moment.

 

[arrowryan]

He’s a stud. Too bad Price continues to be a turnover liability and can’t catch the ball.

 

[stlnd01]

He’s a stud. Too bad Price continues to be a turnover liability and can’t catch the ball.

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Yes he fumbled against Miami but Price has been pretty solid otherwise.

 

[IrishLion]

Any doubts about Carr should have been erased when he hit Fields on that 3rd down where he hit the hole shot against cover 2.

Dropped it in over the corner, but got it there before the safety could get there.

That’s elite stuff. That’s accuracy, touch, recognition and decision-making all at once.

You make the decision too late, the safety is there. Too much air? Pick. Not enough air? Pick.

Giant meaty clackers to drop that in.