'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[Whiskeyjack]

Except I think we need even more. No S's or even an extra DB last cycle means that in order to get to 4 (2 deep over 2 cycles), we'd need 4 this cycle. Shuler and Minich make 2. I think Hillman ends up more of a hybrid player but even if he is a S, you're at 3.

I'm not a fan of log jamming position groups all in one class but I'm even less of a fan of having roster gaps. I care less about Bowen the talent, I know that sounds crazy, and more about the open spot.

If they were to land Barnes, this all goes away.

"I hear you have DB gaps that need filling."

 

[Dale]

Probably because it's the only message board material Bowens directly addressed. If it's 100% BS he'd laugh it off and move on. Not race to twitter to try to stomp it out and immediately cancel an in home with the school he's committed. Timing there is not a coincidence.

He addressed it only after Recruits CFB on Instagram posted it. If it stayed in the ND message board echo chamber is different than going national.

He tweeted it midnight, Loy said the in home was off as of 9.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

There was an article today about how they bid $500k for a player and that wasn’t enough for them as they got outbid at $800k/year.

UGA reportedly planning to pay him 1.8mil up front and 800k /year

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Ohio St athletic dept literally said they will need 10-15 mill per year of NIL to be competitive

SEC has several teams touting 30 mil+ war chests.

 

[notredomer23]

UGA reportedly planning to pay him 1.8mil up front and 800k /year

I know this is what was reported, but I just can't buy it. $4.2 million+ over 3 years. This is more than what a fourth round rookie makes.

 

[GATTACA!]

Please refrain from making a similar post in the future, lol

This is an adult thread. We’re allowed to say whatever the hell we want!

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Attacking followers now lol

 

[FDNYIrish1]

This kids been gone a long time. While I think Driskell is a jerk off, I kind of like what he did. Freeman is a better man than to be played by this shit. Glad he didn’t have to waste his time sitting across from people who’ve been dishonest with him for months.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This kids been gone a long time. While I think Driskell is a jerk off, I kind of like what he did. Freeman is a better man than to be played by this shit. Glad he didn’t have to waste his time sitting across from people who’ve been dishonest with him for months.

No
You cannot drag kids down (not that this was that bad) in that profession. You have to cut your losses. If you pay tough you're going to get cut out. With that said, you also don't have to write an ass-kissy piece about the kid and family (like Loy did with Dante).

 

[Whiskeyjack]

SEC has several teams touting 30 mil+ war chests.

If it's getting invested like a foundation, then $30m in principal is only producing $1.5-2 million per year max, which isn't enough to finance even one of these alleged top-shelf P4P deals. So for that $30m "war chest" to mean anything, you've got to have boosters on board with donating that every year just for the purpose of buying recruits. If true, that's batshit insane. Even the most established and deserving charities struggle to raise $30m/ year for worthy causes.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

It seems like W/L record, coaching competence or even effort don't matter much for top-20 recruits right now. Someone is going to swoop in with a ridiculous P4P offer, and if you don't have your own collective of bagmen willing to break the rules, it's game over.

Add in the gf factor, his HS QB being there and the proximity to home & it makes total sense. What doesn’t make sense is committing to ND in the first place.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Except I think we need even more. No S's or even an extra DB last cycle means that in order to get to 4 (2 deep over 2 cycles), we'd need 4 this cycle. Shuler and Minich make 2. I think Hillman ends up more of a hybrid player but even if he is a S, you're at 3.

I'm not a fan of log jamming position groups all in one class but I'm even less of a fan of having roster gaps. I care less about Bowen the talent, I know that sounds crazy, and more about the open spot.

If they were to land Barnes, this all goes away.

This has been my philosophy for 20 years.

 

[M40]

SEC has several teams touting 30 mil+ war chests.

The money being thrown around is ridiculous. It’s now semi-pro. We’ve gone from a facility arms race to NIL arms race.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

No
You cannot drag kids down (not that this was that bad) in that profession. You have to cut your losses. If you pay tough you're going to get cut out. With that said, you also don't have to write an ass-kissy piece about the kid and family (like Loy did with Dante).

How is reporting the truth dragging the kid down? Looks like Freeman did cut his losses. Can’t have it both ways and complain that the guys don’t report what’s out there. I find it hard to believe that the least plugged in beat reporter cost ND this kid. Let’s wake up to the ugly realities currently happening. If he was blasting a kid I’d be all over him for it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

How is reporting the truth dragging the kid down? Looks like Freeman did cut his losses. Can’t have it both ways and complain that the guys don’t report what’s out there. I find it hard to believe that the least plugged in beat reporter cost ND this kid. Let’s wake up to the ugly realities currently happening. If he was blasting a kid I’d be all over him for it.

It is apparently, not the truth - per Bowen
Therefore, it is not good

 

[Luckylucci]

If it's getting invested like a foundation, then $30m in principal is only producing $1.5-2 million per year max, which isn't enough to finance even one of these alleged top-shelf P4P deals. So for that $30m "war chest" to mean anything, you've got to have boosters on board with donating that every year just for the purpose of buying recruits. If true, that's batshit insane. Even the most established and deserving charities struggle to raise $30m/ year for worthy causes.

Agreed. There either has got to be something to these deals that we've yet to hear about. Simply because they haven't been around long enough. Or it's not even remotely sustainable.

 

[M40]

If it's getting invested like a foundation, then $30m in principal is only producing $1.5-2 million per year max, which isn't enough to finance even one of these alleged top-shelf P4P deals. So for that $30m "war chest" to mean anything, you've got to have boosters on board with donating that every year just for the purpose of buying recruits. If true, that's batshit insane. Even the most established and deserving charities struggle to raise $30m/ year for worthy causes.

It happens by encouraging BMDs to allocate their donations to NIL instead of 100 million dollar facility upgrades

 

[JamIrish]

Parker Thune (OU Insider) CB'd Eli Bowen to Oklahoma....

 

[NDdomer2]

A big thing that sucks is this is now the 3rd time Irish fans have been very misinformed in the calendar year: Walker, Moore, Bowen.

Either the staff is Hellen Keller when reading recruitments, or premium sites withhold information to paying customers.

Lol you think the heat writers owe their readers something?

I've said it before and I'll say it again and again.

The beat only cares about one thing and one thing only and that's their bottom line. They will withhold info as it suits them and create drama where there is none.

Click click click

 

[NormND_44]

Irish Breakdown only hurts Notre Dame just like Zack Smith hurts OSU. These people are grifters - as an alum I am sad to see IB being viewed as a representative of the university.

 

[Bigamejames]

If it's getting invested like a foundation, then $30m in principal is only producing $1.5-2 million per year max, which isn't enough to finance even one of these alleged top-shelf P4P deals. So for that $30m "war chest" to mean anything, you've got to have boosters on board with donating that every year just for the purpose of buying recruits. If true, that's batshit insane. Even the most established and deserving charities struggle to raise $30m/ year for worthy causes.

It’s amazing how much money these kids are getting. Is it a 4year contract??Are they required to give any back if the aren’t starting, playing, get injured, leave???
It would be interesting to know what the hit rate for the top 100 players would be who end up being starters, failures , and make it to the NFL.

 

[NormND_44]

Separately - NIL thing is 100% going to be tampered down and I think the Charlie Baker hire will help accelerate that. ND has to get more aggressive in the meantime - don’t need to pay up front, but they should be pulling every other lever they possibly can.

 

[luckofirish8]

Separately - NIL thing is 100% going to be tampered down and I think the Charlie Baker hire will help accelerate that. ND has to get more aggressive in the meantime - don’t need to pay up front, but they should be pulling every other lever they possibly can.

My guess is they are. Money talks and always will though.

I also have no idea if Bowen is or isn't driven by the dollar in this case, but it doesn't hurt.

 

[NDdomer2]

If it's getting invested like a foundation, then $30m in principal is only producing $1.5-2 million per year max, which isn't enough to finance even one of these alleged top-shelf P4P deals. So for that $30m "war chest" to mean anything, you've got to have boosters on board with donating that every year just for the purpose of buying recruits. If true, that's batshit insane. Even the most established and deserving charities struggle to raise $30m/ year for worthy causes.

Agreed. There either has got to be something to these deals that we've yet to hear about. Simply because they haven't been around long enough. Or it's not even remotely sustainable.

I got laughed at and told there's no way in hell when I extrapolated aTm's 32m over 4 years and compared it to the lowest total salaries in the NFL.

I don't see it as sustainable either because the boosters get no return on investment other than school pride.

But here we are. 1 year removed and it's not just one school talking 30m/year.

A lot of talk of market correction and unsustainability, but truth is likely this is the new norm and it's here to stay. Next year's class isn't gonna suddenly want less. They will know what kids this year got and want the same as a minimum. Then eventually there will just be going rates for every position and all star/ranking levels.

 

[Luckylucci]

Separately - NIL thing is 100% going to be tampered down and I think the Charlie Baker hire will help accelerate that. ND has to get more aggressive in the meantime - don’t need to pay up front, but they should be pulling every other lever they possibly can.

I think the best course of action is to get the players on the team more deals. Or at least explain to the public/recruits/HS coaches/etc. what those deals are.

 

[NDMD]

Agreed. There either has got to be something to these deals that we've yet to hear about. Simply because they haven't been around long enough. Or it's not even remotely sustainable.

I think this is the rub. No one knows what the true value of these players are, the market is just being set. So right now we're seeing these huge figures, what remains to be seen is whether the boosters keep the money flowing for years of 8-4.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I got laughed at and told there's no way in hell when I extrapolated aTm's 32m over 4 years and compared it to the lowest total salaries in the NFL.

I don't see it as sustainable either because the boosters get no return on investment other than school pride.

But here we are. 1 year removed and it's not just one school talking 30m/year.

A lot of talk of market correction and unsustainability, but truth is likely this is the new norm and it's here to stay. Next year's class isn't gonna suddenly want less. They will know what kids this year got and want the same as a minimum. Then eventually there will just be going rates for every position and all star/ranking levels.

Yep, once the standard is set……it’s almost impossible to reduce it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I got laughed at and told there's no way in hell when I extrapolated aTm's 32m over 4 years and compared it to the lowest total salaries in the NFL.

I don't see it as sustainable either because the boosters get no return on investment other than school pride.

But here we are. 1 year removed and it's not just one school talking 30m/year.

A lot of talk of market correction and unsustainability, but truth is likely this is the new norm and it's here to stay. Next year's class isn't gonna suddenly want less. They will know what kids this year got and want the same as a minimum. Then eventually there will just be going rates for every position and all star/ranking levels.

I don't think it's the new norm, because it's obviously unsustainable. Much of this is happening in the dark, so we have no way to verify what's actually going on, and it's already blowing up in aTm's face, which is the school that it adopted this tactic earliest and most aggressively.

I don't look at the Aggies and say to myself, "Now here's the future of CFB."

 

[Irishnuke]

Recruiting is such a shady, disgusting business. Having to deal with indecisive asshole kids and straight up liars, not to mention girlfriends, parents, and “uncles” would be such a pain in the ass. I got a small taste of it doing it for the Navy and hated it, but my job didn’t depend on it like college coaches. We didn’t have bag men either to deal with. Such a thankless job.

 

[MacIrish75]

It is apparently, not the truth - per Bowen
Therefore, it is not good

To be fair, what’s he gonna say? “Yep, Brian Driskell had it pegged. This is exactly the sitch. Hey @SickNaban my dm’s are open…”